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At the Shootout, the ZT60 was calibrated to a max brightness of 30 fl. Is that sufficient for night viewing or will it present a dim picture even in a dark room?

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In a dark room it's not a problem. I have my TV calibrated at 32ftL and it's not to dim, especially when the TV is the only lightsource in the room. I would even recommend using a backlight (preferably 6500k) to relief eyestrain.
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In a dark room it's not a problem. I have my TV calibrated at 32ftL and it's not to dim, especially when the TV is the only lightsource in the room. I would even recommend using a backlight (preferably 6500k) to relief eyestrain.

Just curious. What TV do you have?

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Panasonic TX-P50UT50E. That is of course a much cheaper product, but that should have nothing at all to do with your question.
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30fL is not a problem imho. Most of my previous displays have never been over 34fL after being calibrated. The highest I believe was 37fL on my 500M. My VT30 is at 33.4 and currently my ZT is at 31.6 but I think I will be lowering it some more as I'm still dialing it in. If t makes you feel any better I'm watching my ZT in the living room right now with quite a bit of light and I don't have a problem at all, and that's with a window directly across from it, with blinds opened, front door opened to the left of the window and sliding glass door open to the right of the display itself.

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30fL is not a problem imho. Most of my previous displays have never been over 34fL after being calibrated. The highest I believe was 37fL on my 500M. My VT30 is at 33.4 and currently my ZT is at 31.6 but I think I will be lowering it some more as I'm still dialing it in. If t makes you feel any better I'm watching my ZT in the living room right now with quite a bit of light and I don't have a problem at all, and that's with a window directly across from it, with blinds opened, front door opened to the left of the window and sliding glass door open to the right of the display itself.

You are watching it in that room calibrated for 31.6fl?

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Wow that seems dim. I had to calibrate for 60ftL to get comfortable daytime viewing with open windows
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The ZT60 does have a great filter for holding it's PQ/blacks with lots of ambient light but 30 fL is quite dim for a day mode (unless you close the curtains/blinds completely and that blocks out most ambient light). Also, 30 fL on a plasma might seem dimmer than 30 fL on a LCD since the latter holds that 30 fL for full fields whereas the former will be much dimmer with full screen bright content.

Sure you can watch it, but I wouldn't say it's ideal.
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I am talking about 30fl for night dark room viewing.

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yeah the room is usually open like that during the day. and I can see it fine. I don't have direct sunlight on the screen. I actually don't get direct sunlight in the house house until like 5PM and it last for only an hour and the light doesn't hit the screen. It's just natural ambient light in the room. I close the blinds right across from it so I don't have a reflection on the screen. My walls are actually gray so light doesn't bounce all over the place. It really isn't that bad.

for me 60fL is way to bright. I couldn't image going over 45 tops for a day mode.

It does help though if you know how bright your current display actually is. Until you can actual compare fL to what you know for a fact that you already have it's hard to tell.

For me knowing my last display was 32.4 the 31 I'm at now doesn't bother me a bit

For dark room viewing it's good, really good. The reason I mentioned how I was looking at teh display right now is because If I can watch it in a room with that type of ambient light then dark room is not a problem.

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yeah the room is usually open like that during the day. and I can see it fine. I don't have direct sunlight on the screen. I actually don't get direct sunlight in the house house until like 5PM and it last for only an hour and the light doesn't hit the screen. It's just natural ambient light in the room. I close the blinds right across from it so I don't have a reflection on the screen. My walls are actually gray so light doesn't bounce all over the place. It really isn't that bad.

for me 60fL is way to bright. I couldn't image going over 45 tops for a day mode.

It does help though if you know how bright your current display actually is. Until you can actual compare fL to what you know for a fact that you already have it's hard to tell.

For me knowing my last display was 32.4 the 31 I'm at now doesn't bother me a bit

For dark room viewing it's good, really good. The reason I mentioned how I was looking at teh display right now is because If I can watch it in a room with that type of ambient light then dark room is not a problem.

do you sit close to that 65" screen?
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do you sit close to that 65" screen?

About 8.5 feet away

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About 8.5 feet away

that is pretty close, I sit about 7 ft from a 46" (though it's more like 3-4 ft for gaming)

odds are you prefer 30 fL as it's easier on the eyes when you're close to a large screen
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I had the magic man aka D-nice out today to calibrate my Panasonic ZT60. All I can say right now is one word "AWESOME" The colors are vibrant, the black levels are fantastic and the depth of the picture is 3D like. Also, no problems with brightness and the picture is so clear its like looking through an open window. Thanks again D-nice for another job well done smile.gif
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I had the magic man aka D-nice out today to calibrate my Panasonic ZT60. All I can say right now is one word "AWESOME" The colors are vibrant, the black levels are fantastic and the depth of the picture is 3D like. Also, no problems with brightness and the picture is so clear its like looking through an open window. Thanks again D-nice for another job well done smile.gif

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Do any of you ever discuss how much it hurts your eyes to watch any overly bright TV at night. A friend has a Samsung dialed in extra bright,
And it hurts your eyes to watch. TVs can be too bright and cartoonish too!
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If people are following the three rules for setting up contrast correctly, then eye fatigue is not an issue ... since this is the final rule to consider.

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I keep seeing the name D-Nice, the magic man.... who is this person and what can he do? forgive my noobness. rolleyes.gif

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as stated so far, decent brightness.

I can say that 30-33 ftl hurts my eyes in the evening and it is a good day time number for my conditions.
I run @24ftl with someroom light.
also more than 2.2 gamma.

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Do you not find gamma 2.2 cloudy on the blacks?
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I realize that my post was missleading.
I was speaking generally.
Not zt60 specific.

From what I have read, zt excels at black level detail.

I lose a little color on dark picture details vs more color seen on a 2.2 gamma.

soorry I was not TV specific.

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You also have to also realize that the type of patterns used to get this measured ftL varies depending on the size of the windows. Use 10-12% windows which give 30 ftL will be higher if you use something like say 4-6% windows. I try to get 30-34 ftL with 10-14% windows.

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I'm currently at 48 fL with standard 10% windows (Cinema pic mode, Contrast 90, Panel Brightness Mid). I find this works well for daytime and nighttime use, keeping in mind my room is dim even during the day. It sounds very bright, but eye fatigue is not an issue since the ABL in high APL scenes keeps the full-screen whites from getting too bright. Dark and moderate APL scenes have plenty of contrast with very bright whites.
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D-Nice calibrated the PRO (ISF) modes on my ZT60 and while I don't know what FL he calibrated the day/night (including 3D) modes to, I can say that both are sufficiently bright to my eyes even during the day when my room gets lots of natural light.
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Hi,

 

would you mind posting the results here? Unless someone else knows of another place where they've been published for ZT60.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

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20fl on my power limited UK VT30 (ISF modes), took a little time to get used to coming from a Samsung D8000 at 30fl.

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I had the magic man aka D-nice out today to calibrate my Panasonic ZT60. All I can say right now is one word "AWESOME" The colors are vibrant, the black levels are fantastic and the depth of the picture is 3D like. Also, no problems with brightness and the picture is so clear its like looking through an open window. Thanks again D-nice for another job well done smile.gif

I got free calibrating settings from Sound & Vision and they are FANTASTIC. Pretty much what you see except I got them for free.

They even include all the 10 balance point settings and all the gamma point settings

OH and even CALIBRATED 3D settings. Amazing...
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At the Shootout, the ZT60 was calibrated to a max brightness of 30 fl. Is that sufficient for night viewing or will it present a dim picture even in a dark room?

30 fl is enough for a dark room. On bright scenes you will feel your eyes adjusting to the brightness.
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think so,The reason I mentioned how I was looking at teh display right now is because If I can watch it in a room with that type of ambient light then dark room is not a problem.

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Hi Sammie,

 

How do I get your latest settings to use with Controlcal? I have a 60ZT60 and not happy with picture, but alerting you that primary source input, for now is 1080i Cox Cable box and/or Netflix.

 

Thank you.

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