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I currently have an old Xrite i1Display colorimeter and software that i use to calibrate my PC Monitor. It works fine for that but I would like to purchase something I can use to calibrate my new Sony HW50 projector as well. Is there anything I can use for both?

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Specracal sells the hardware and the software
http://store.spectracal.com/calman5/home-video?utm_source=SpectraCal%2BPortal%2BEntry%2BPage&utm_medium=URL%2BLink%2BFrom%2BMain%2BPage&utm_campaign=Personal%2BHome%2BTheater%2BLINK
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right... but which hardware should be chosen? How does someone who's never used one decide?

I particularly have multiple w-led computer monitors and a 46" sony bravia
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Greetings

What to get ... also depends on your wallet ... how much are you willing to spend for speed and accuracy? Does fast mean much if it is inaccurate? Spectros are more accurate than the colorimeters.

Least expensive spectrometer is $400-500 range ... Color Munki Photo.

I1 display pro 3 ... D3 is what most seem to get for a colorimeter. $260-$300 range. Nothing really much better than this until you get to $1300 ... but then the Color munki spectro above will beat that $1300 device for accuracy.

Want to spend less than $260 ... then you get into the area of ... you get what you get.

Spectracal has an entry level probe called the C3 with software for $150 ... but this has very limited use ... no projectors at all.

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Thank you for the detailed response Michael - much appreciated!

So I gather if I'm a stickler for accuracy and don't have more than $500 to spend (nor want to) on hardware And software, the Color Munki Photo is the way to go...?

OR would that same money be better spent on a qualified ISF tech coming to calibrate my displays for me...
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Also look for a i1Pro Spectrometer or EFI ES-1000, even a used i1Pro Rev D ($250-$450) is great.

Why a Spectro, see why here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1373556/i1-pro-or-d3-if-you-could-only-have-one-meter

http://www.tlvexp.ca/2012/04/do-calibration-tables-really-work-for-tri-stim-devices/

And Read these Threads:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449310/eye-one-pro-or-display-3-pro

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1464411/what-would-you-rather-have-for-display-calibration

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Thank you for the detailed response Michael - much appreciated!

So I gather if I'm a stickler for accuracy and don't have more than $500 to spend (nor want to) on hardware And software, the Color Munki Photo is the way to go...?

OR would that same money be better spent on a qualified ISF tech coming to calibrate my displays for me...

Article on options when you figure you want to do something about it.

I can't tell you what you should do ... you have to figure out that part out yourself.

Here is an article on what you should be looking for if you go searching for a professional calibrator.

Do some reading here and make a more informed decision on what you want to do.

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Well, I'm not ignorant to the science - I was ISF certified back in 2002 but never really had the opportunity to use it after about 2004. Back then I was taught on Sencore gear. Things have changed with the advent of the digital age.

But thanks for the info, I'll do dome more reading...
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Greetings

Yeah ... Things have changed just a bit since 2002 ... the horse carriage age. smile.gif And the ISF program has even changed too ... more than 90 minutes of hands on training these days.

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I most likely will be purchasing X-Rite Color Munki Photo for my photography business. They say it will do projector profiling. What will the CalMAN5 software do that the X-Rite software won't.

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I most likely will be purchasing X-Rite Color Munki Photo for my photography business. They say it will do projector profiling. What will the CalMAN5 software do that the X-Rite software won't.

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I have both. The X_rite & CM photo will create a display profile for use by your computer's video card. It will not calibrate the projector.
Calman 5 will measure the projector's gray scale and color gamut then if the projector has a CMS it will help in calibrating it to a standard.
If your projector has no built-in color management system you will have to add an external video processor such as the Lumagen Mini 3D.
In that case Calman and the Munki will adjust the settings automatically.

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Calman 5 will measure the projector's gray scale and color gamut then if the projector has a CMS it will help in calibrating it to a standard.
If your projector has no built-in color management system you will have to add an external video processor such as the Lumagen Mini 3D.
In that case Calman and the Munki will adjust the settings automatically.

Hmm sounds like I will need the CalMAN5 however I'm not sure about the CMS in the projector. It's a Sony VLP HW50ES. Apparently it has CMS but maybe not the same pts as the Lumagen. I most likely will calibrate with the projectors CMS so I'm assuming I will need to apply the adjustment automatically. Are the instructions for that supplied with the CalMAN5 or is this something I'm going to have to study to figure out.

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I just found this calibration article on the Sony HW50. http://www.projectorreviews.com/sony/hw50es/calibration.php

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As usual, Sony provides a range of color spaces that tend to make using a CMS unnecessary. BT.709 is pretty close to the Rec. 709 standard. Color Space 1, 2 and 3 expand the gamut to varying degrees, with Wide 3 being the largest gamut of the three.

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Our calibrations, including this Sony VPL-HW50ES, are normally limited to a grayscale calibration, along with brightness, contrast, color saturation, tint (where applicable), etc. Only in very special circumstances will we calibrate the individual colors, in which case we discuss why.

I wish they would say why. Anyone wish to speculate or comment on this article. I'm just trying to get a handle on what I should do when I'm ready.

Also Cnet had this to say about the Sony CMS.
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Despite its potential though, we ended up turning off the Real Color Processing CMS, however, because it did nothing to improve the projector's one semiproblematic area, blue color saturation.

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I wish they would say why. Anyone wish to speculate or comment on this article. I'm just trying to get a handle on what I should do when I'm ready.
The main reason they don't usually play with the CMS, is the time factor. CMS's are often quirky ... sometimes the adjustments don't behave exactly the way you'd expect or want them to.

OTOH, sometimes the factory settings are so far off from the standard, that it's worth investigating whether the CMS can help reign them in ... sometimes the answer to that question is no.

Clear as mud? smile.gif
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