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post #91 of 150 Old 11-07-2013, 08:30 PM
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Yes, but no answer yet as it's early in Oregon. smile.gif

fwiw, I have a 2041 and use 4:2:2. I din't see what you are describing using a 17^3 profile. I would ask if maybe you did a video scale (only use for eecolor box) in LS tools, then transferred the file to your 2042.
But it seems that if RGB and 4:4:4 are fine I don't think that is the problem.

I ended up using my eecolor box for a 17^3 LUT. I thought the 9^3 was good, but the 17^3 LUT is better.

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I know that video scaling is required only for the eeColor box and not for the Lumagen, so no I did not do video scaling. Have you checked the brightness patterns from Ted's disk (or another calibration disk) when using YCbCr422 output, and not the internal Lumagen brightness pattern? It's not subtle at all as the levels and colors are significantly off. It is noticable in test patterns but not so much in normal video images.

Also, like you, until this issue is resolved, I have switched back to using my eeColor box using a full 17 side LUT.
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I know that video scaling is required only for the eeColor box and not for the Lumagen, so no I did not do video scaling. Have you checked the brightness patterns from Ted's disk (or another calibration disk) when using YCbCr422 output, and not the internal Lumagen brightness pattern? It's not subtle at all as the levels and colors are significantly off. It is noticable in test patterns but not so much in normal video images.

Also, like you, until this issue is resolved, I have switched back to using my eeColor box using a full 17 side LUT.

No I only used the test patterns in the 2041.

It looks like I will have Ted disc tomorrow, if somebody is here to except the disc. Now where is the wife..

Let us know what you find out. Just got a killer 17^3 profile that I am installing in the eecolor box as I type.

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Here are a couple of Chromapure captures that show what I'm experiencing. Before I did these runs I did a factory reset of the Lumagen 2042, did a quick profile using LS and uploaded it into CMS0. The problem reared itself again just as before. The only change in the two captures below is a change in style. In the first the style is set for RGB output. On the 2nd one the style is set for YCbCr422. Both these runs use the same meter as was used in LS. However, in LS it was profiled to my i1Pro2 while it's not in the Chromapure runs.
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Here's the YCbCr422 run:


Again, everything is fine except when I set the Lumagen for 422 output.
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I have further determined that this problem only occurs when the input is 24p as the calibration disks are.
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I have further determined that this problem only occurs when the input is 24p as the calibration disks are.

So the issue is with the Lumagen.

I will convert last nights 17^3 profile into my 2041, then use CM5 and run the numbers. I will use a K10-A and last nights profile using a Jeti as reference meter, to take the readings.
I will update this post with what I find.

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When you make these calibration checks, make sure you use a 24p source for Calman. I think this means the AVS disk, Ted's disk, or another 24p disk.
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Bob, is this happening only when you are measuring using a pattern disk as a source? or it happens with internal pattern generator with output @ 24p?

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Bob, is this happening only when you are measuring using a pattern disk as a source? or it happens with internal pattern generator with output @ 24p?
It also happens with the internal pattern generator when the output is 24p. If I set up the Oppo to output 60p instead of 24p this does not happen. i.e., it only happens when the source is 24p, and it shows with both the patterns from your disk as well as the internal patterns.
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I used source direct setting in the Oppo.

When I ran the profile I used 1080P24 in the 2041 for output of the 5% window, no APL.
Don't forget the pattern window in AVS is about 11%, and I used the 2041 as a pattern generator set a 5% window when I ran the Profile.

Hope this helps.

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btw, you may want to ask around if there are issues with using 1080p24 setting in the Oppo.
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Thanks ss!

Your post led me to try setting up my Oppo for source direct like yours and my problem went away! Poof, gone. I reset mine as it was before (1080p and 24p turned on) and now I can't reproduce the problem at all. So, it turned out to be a problem with my Oppo setup screwing up its 24p output. Thank you so much for steering me to try a different Oppo setup.

Now maybe I can concentrate on shooting my age! I've come close a couple times, but always choke on the last hole when I realize I'm getting close. smile.gif
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Thanks ss!

Your post led me to try setting up my Oppo for source direct like yours and my problem went away! Poof, gone. I reset mine as it was before (1080p and 24p turned on) and now I can't reproduce the problem at all. So, it turned out to be a problem with my Oppo setup screwing up its 24p output. Thank you so much for steering me to try a different Oppo setup.

Now maybe I can concentrate on shooting my age! I've come close a couple times, but always choke on the last hole when I realize I'm getting close. smile.gif

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This is my first time I'm trying 3D Lut as I moved from Calman Control to Enthuiast. I started the autocal but I didn't realised how long it goes for ( started at midnight ) by 2am I was at 524 points. I had to cancel as I had to go to sleep for work in the morning but is that normal for it too take that long?

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It depends on the meter and parameters from calman.

what is your colorimeter ? display pro ?
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It depends on the meter and parameters from calman.

what is your colorimeter ? display pro ?

Yes the colorimeter is the I1 Display Pro

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Just run the autocal before you go to bed. When you wake up in the morning, it should be done.
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Just run the autocal before you go to bed. When you wake up in the morning, it should be done.

Thank you, did not realise it took that long

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Thank you, did not realise it took that long

It will take anywhere between 2-4 readings per point. Usually just under 3 readings. So if you do a full 9x9x9 that 's 729 points you should expect around 2000 reads. With a C6 set on single sample that should take about an hour and a half. If you have a slower meter or your pattern delay is larger (You should be able to get away with 0.5-1.0) than it may take longer.

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It will take anywhere between 2-4 readings per point. Usually just under 3 readings. So if you do a full 9x9x9 that 's 729 points you should expect around 2000 reads. With a C6 set on single sample that should take about an hour and a half. If you have a slower meter or your pattern delay is larger (You should be able to get away with 0.5-1.0) than it may take longer.

Thanks Sotti for your reply. With a C6 set on a single sample, what do you mean by that ? Still a novice here trying to learn.

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Thank you, did not realise it took that long

I use an I1D3. Full 9X9X9 runs with grayscale are taking about 1:35-1:45 total. That's actual reading+adjustment time not including any time that may have been lost between grayscale and cube runs.

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With a C6 set on a single sample, what do you mean by that ? Still a novice here trying to learn.

The number of samples are the amount of readings. 1 sample means that the meter reads the pattern 1 time. With e.g. 3 samples the meter reads 3 times and the results will be avaraged. So higher sample rates are more accurate, but slower.
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The number of samples are the amount of readings. 1 sample means that the meter reads the pattern 1 time. With e.g. 3 samples the meter reads 3 times and the results will be avaraged. So higher sample rates are more accurate, but slower.

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Redid my whole calibration last night this time able to see finishing touched of the 9x9x9 729 point 3D lut performance ( first time ) and I have to say I'm very impressed. The pq really stood out, it looked absolutely stunning. I'm glad I was talked into buying the Lumagen. Best investment for pq in my HT.

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Redid my whole calibration last night this time able to see finishing touched of the 9x9x9 729 point 3D lut performance ( first time ) and I have to say I'm very impressed. The pq really stood out, it looked absolutely stunning. I'm glad I was talked into buying the Lumagen. Best investment for pq in my HT.

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CalMAN 5.2.1 Build 1386 Open Beta is available for download.

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Lumagen Radiance XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D + Radiance 20XX Series (2021, 2022, 2041, 2042) New 112513 Firmware Update

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Lumagen has update their tech tips documents to include informations about Variable Size and APL test patterns.

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Lumagen Radiance XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D + Radiance 20XX Series (2021, 2022, 2041, 2042) New 120213 Firmware Update

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Lumagen Radiance XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D New 120313 Firmware Update

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•The 75% of Rec. 709 gamut is now available throughtout the software, including for reporting.

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