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The Lumagen® Radiance™ Video Processor Family Adds New Members

April 16th, 2014 — Lumagen®, Inc., a specialist in the design and manufacture of products for the home and corporate theater markets, today announced four new members of its Radiance™ video processor family.

These are the Radiance 2123™, the Radiance 2124™, the Radiance 2143™ and the Radiance 2144™.

Jim Peterson, Lumagen’s president, stated, “our customers were asking for more HDMI inputs, and the ability to scale source material up to 4k60.

All four of these new products increase the HDMI input count to eight, and two can scale SD and HD source material up to 4k60.

This maximizes video performance by taking advantage of Lumagen’s proprietary NoRing™ scaling to scale film source to 4k24 and video to 4k60.

Supporting all the features of the Radiance 20XX series, including Darbee DVP™ processing, the new Radiance 21XX series answers our customer’s challenge.”

The Radiance 2123 and 2124 support input and output rates of up to 1080p60.

The 2143 and 2144 increase the output rate to up to 4k60 in 8-bit 4:2:0 format.

The Radiance 2123, and Radiance 2143, support eight HDMI inputs, two HDMI outputs, a wired-IR command input, an RS232 command input, plus an internal USB-to-serial adapter.

They are housed in a 1U rack mountable case.

The Radiance 2124, and Radiance 2144, add two component inputs, two composite inputs with 3D comb filter, two analog stereo inputs, one optical audio input, and three COAX audio inputs, plus a COAX audio output.

With its extensive processing, setup, and calibration, feature-set the Radiance family is perfectly suited for refining and enhancing the images presented by front projectors, and top-level flat-panel displays. With the introduction of these new products, the Radiance family continues as the video backbone for the best home theaters and media rooms.

The Radiance 2123 and 2143 are available immediately, and the Radiance 2124 and Radiance 2144 will be available in May.

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Do they support HDMI 2.0 ?

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Suggested retail pricing for the Radiance 21xx:

Lumagen Radiance 2123 is set at $3095

Lumagen Radiance 2124 is set at $3595

Lumagen Radiance 2143 is set at $3995

Lumagen Radiance 2144 is set at $4495

Optional rack-ears for mounting in a 19” rack are available at a suggested retail price of $50.

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Do they support HDMI 2.0 ?

To claim HDMI2.0 capability a device only has to offer one of the many HDMI2.0 features. The 4K output units support 4K@24/50/60Hz 4:2:0 component video output. So in that regard i believe they can be called HDMI2.0 output compliant.
This is the same situation you had with hdmi1.4, where the Radiance XD with it's hdmi1.1 hardware became an HDMI1.4 compliant device when Lumagen gave it the 3D processing capability by firmware update.
If the question is do they support HDCP2.2 then that is not a relevant question as they do not take in 4K and any non 4K sources are going to be using the current HDCP protocols.
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Suggested retail pricing for the Radiance 21xx:

Lumagen Radiance 2123 is set at $3095

Lumagen Radiance 2124 is set at $3595

Lumagen Radiance 2143 is set at $3995

Lumagen Radiance 2144 is set at $4495

Optional rack-ears for mounting in a 19” rack are available at a suggested retail price of $50.

I wonder if they're going to do any trade deals ?

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The 21XX series will be getting a firmware update to support 17x17x17 3D LUTs.

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The 21XX series will be getting a firmware update to support 17x17x17 3D LUTs.

Yes, this firmware will propably be available at the end of May or early June once the Lumagen will have optimised their 4K processing pipeline.

These 21xx units features a much faster and larger FPGA along with more memory compared to current 20xx line.

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The 21XX series will be getting a firmware update to support 17x17x17 3D LUTs.

Derek, what's the calibration strategy to these units by CalMAN?

CalMAN will Direct Control with rea-time reading/correcting/writing each one of 4.913 available Color Points or you will use Virtual AutoCAL to perform calibration to less colorpoints (below 1.000) and use interpolation for the others?

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BTW LightSpace already has the 17-Point Cube capability done wink.gif

LightSpace interrogates the Lumagen to determine max LUT size, and uploads that automatically, including the upcoming 17-Point Cube size format.

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Radiance 21XX Series Video Processors

Radiance processing power, 17x17x17* (4913 point) CMS, Darbee DVP and optional 4K@60* output

*available soon via downloadable update, currently 9x9x9 and 4k24

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Lumagen Radiance 21XX Series (2123, 2124, 2143, 2144) New 041714 Firmware Update

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Fix for issue of acquiring input video incorrectly. Menu correction for incorrectly displaying SPDIF options for 2123/2143.

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Lumagen Radiance 21XX Series (2123, 2124, 2143, 2144) New 041814 Firmware Update

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Bugfix for output setup menus not allowing certain input modes for inputs 5-8.

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Yes, this firmware will propably be available at the end of May or early June once the Lumagen will have optimised their 4K processing pipeline.

These 21xx units features a much faster and larger FPGA along with more memory compared to current 20xx line.

Do you know if the new models will support RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4 at up to 12 bit levels? I know the 20xx line could not support larger than 8-bit for RGB/4:4:4 because the FPGA did not have enough output pins.
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Yes, this firmware will propably be available at the end of May or early June once the Lumagen will have optimised their 4K processing pipeline.

These 21xx units features a much faster and larger FPGA along with more memory compared to current 20xx line.

Do you know if the new models will support RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4 at up to 12 bit levels? I know the 20xx line could not support larger than 8-bit for RGB/4:4:4 because the FPGA did not have enough output pins.

Hello, when your input signal has 12-bit per channel bit depth it will be converted to 4:2:2 with 10-bit for internal processing (enhancements/correction tables) and you will have selectable options for output: RGB (8-bit), YCbCr 4:2:2 (12-bit) or YCbCr 4:4:4 (8-bit), so you are correct.

Maybe the next line of Radiance processors that will be designed using HDMI 2.0 transmitter/receiver chips will be able to keep 12-bit to all stages, but currently there is not available any 3D LUT Box / Video Processor with HDMI In-Out (with HDCP) that keeps the signal to 12-bit, always the internal correction tables are 10-bit, you can confirm this also by checking that that spec. comparison list here.

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Thanks for the response. The HDMI 1.3a standard fully supports the 10/12-bit YCbCr resolutions. However, the math is a bit more intensive because it has to spread these bits across several 24-bit data transmissions. I know Jim from Lumagen commented that the current FPGA did not have enough output pins to support RGB/444 higher than 8 bit. I did a long write-up of it here with some theories: http://www.convergent-av.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2621&start=0&rid=0&S=36db81da4bae6bf5dc2f88aa5f2c9809
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Thanks for the response. The HDMI 1.3a standard fully supports the 10/12-bit YCbCr resolutions. However, the math is a bit more intensive because it has to spread these bits across several 24-bit data transmissions. I know Jim from Lumagen commented that the current FPGA did not have enough output pins to support RGB/444 higher than 8 bit. I did a long write-up of it here with some theories: http://www.convergent-av.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2621&start=0&rid=0&S=36db81da4bae6bf5dc2f88aa5f2c9809

I know that Lumagen Radiance Mini-3D is using HDMI Transmitter/Receiver Chip from Silicon Image, these chipsets are used from eeColor also....propably the Radiance 20xx/21xx are using the same chips; but this info has not been confirmed.

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The Radiance 20xx products uses different HDMI Transmitter/Receiver chips than the original Radiances. The Radiance 20xx uses a single shared HDMI Receiver chip for all inputs. This requires the entire HDCP chain (from the source to the end display) to be re-synced whenever you switch to a different input and this takes several seconds. This was not the case with the legacy Radiances that used individual HDMI receiver chips for each input.

Also, the 20xx uses a newer HDMI Transmitter chip. The 20xx transmitter produced a hotter signal which caused some shorter HDMI cables to have problems. Lumagen actually recommends using longer cables (6 feet plus) for the output because of this.

They probably had to upgrade the HDMI chips to support 4K at 24/30. I suspect that the 21xx models may use even newer chips to support 4K@60 (no idea). Maybe with the new FPGA they will be able to support 10/12 bit 4:4:4 deep color as well.
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i question lumagen about the new models 2143 and 2144...

Good morning
To my surprise the new models 2143 and 2144 support 4k/60p with hdmi 1.4
How is that possible ? hdmi 1.4 doesnt have enough bandwidth for 4K/60P…..
whats the catch ?
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They use 420 color to reduce the bandwidth required. 420 is also used by DVD's and Blurays.
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i question lumagen about the new models 2143 and 2144...

Good morning
To my surprise the new models 2143 and 2144 support 4k/60p with hdmi 1.4
How is that possible ? hdmi 1.4 doesnt have enough bandwidth for 4K/60P…..
whats the catch ?
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They use 420 color to reduce the bandwidth required. 420 is also used by DVD's and Blurays.
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As Patrick says...HDMI1.4 does have enough bandwidth for 4K60. HDMI2.0 specifically added 4:2:0 YCbCr 8bit component video as a format in order to allow reduce the bandwidth required for 4K transmission. In order to call a device HDMI2.0 compliant I believe it just has to support one of the many hdmi2.0 features.....so you may find that you will get hdmi2.0 advertised products that only support the minimum bandwidth specifications required.....
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Lumagen Radiance 21XX Series (2123, 2124, 2143, 2144) New 050114 Firmware Update

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Added support for 2124/2144 analog video and audio (not important for 2123/2143 units).

Bugfix for occasional small dashes in menu.

Bugfix for some sources not showing video when switching to them.

Update time ~15 minutes @57k from previous firmware.

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As Patrick says...HDMI1.4 does have enough bandwidth for 4K60. HDMI2.0 specifically added 4:2:0 YCbCr 8bit component video as a format in order to allow reduce the bandwidth required for 4K transmission. In order to call a device HDMI2.0 compliant I believe it just has to support one of the many hdmi2.0 features.....so you may find that you will get hdmi2.0 advertised products that only support the minimum bandwidth specifications required.....

You are right
i received a email from lumagen CEO confirmation this matter (its a sign they listen the consumer )


Yes, 4K60, 4:2:0, 8-bit, is a HDMI 2.0 feature. While we could claim HDMI 2.0 (as some do who support 4:2:0) we feel this is not appropriate, and it is certainly left up to the manufacturer. You should never depend on the HDMI rev level (1.4, 2.0) to determine features. This is a directive of the HDMI organization to all manufactures and users, and they say this for exactly this type of case. You cannot say HDMI 2.0 unless you have at least one feature (we do), but in this particular case it is not appropriate to claim HDMI 2.0 in my opinion since 4:2:0 is a minor part of the HDMI 2.0 spec verses 4K and HDCP 2.2.

We say HDMI 1.4 since saying HDMI 2.0 and NOT supporting HDCP 2.2 (as some are doing) is in my opinion just asking for problems with people who expect HDMI 2.0 to have HDCP 2.2. Most everyone I talk to expects products listed as HDMI 2.0 to support 4k input and output and HDCP 2.2.

When describing generational “bridge” products any choice (HDMI 1.4 or HDMI 2.0) will produce some confusion. Calling the 20XX and 21XX units HDMI 1.4 and then specifying the HDMI 2.0 feature(s) seems the best approach.

NOTE: Our 4k60, 4:2:0 8-bit mode is exactly the HDMI 2.0 mode.

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Lumagen Radiance 21XX Series (2123, 2124, 2143, 2144) New 050814 Firmware Update

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Bugfix for couple issues with using configuration files from other units.

Adds fan speed control options under "Other" on menu.

Adds S-Video selection type for inputs 9 and 10 on 2124/2144 (Svideo uses component Green input for Y and component Blue input for C).

Output trigger option now available if purchased using this firmware.

Bugfix for certain combination of setting and sources that can give an occasional momentary screen tear in video.

Added an option in menu under Input: HDMI Setup: Aspect Setup called Aspect Set which enables setting the same input aspect across src resolutions for the current memory for remote/rs232 input aspect commands. This is intended for control systems that know the source aspect but may set the aspect before the source changes modes.

Update time ~3 minutes @57k from previous firmware.

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Lumagen Radiance 21XX Series (2123, 2124, 2143, 2144) New 051114 Firmware Update

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Small fix to allow the rs232 command for the "Alt" key to work with delimiters on.

Another small fix to the config updating code.

Update time ~3 minutes @57k from previous firmware.

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Owner's Manual for Radiance 2144/2124 Video Processors is now available for download here.

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Lumagen Radiance 21XX Series (2123, 2124, 2143, 2144) New 052314 Firmware Update

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Adds "Off" to the fan control settings for 2123, 2143 for use in well vented areas demanding quietest operation.

Couple of bugfixes for problem getting a picture on some sources when going to standby and turning back on.

Another configuration compatibility correction.

Update time ~3 minutes @57k from previous firmware.

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Lumagen Radiance 21XX Series (2123, 2124, 2143, 2144) New 061414 Firmware Update


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Precision improvements were made for color accuracy including test patterns. (Update time ~15 minutes @57k)


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Lumagen Radiance 21XX Series (2123, 2124, 2143, 2144) New 061014 Firmware Update

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Fixes up a few bugs in some of the test patterns in the previous release. (Update time ~3 minutes @57k)

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Lumagen Radiance 21XX Series (2123, 2124, 2143, 2144) New 070214 Firmware Update

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Adds 4k@60Hz, 4k@50Hz, 1080p@120Hz output modes (2143/2144 only).

Adds capability (for 2143/2144) to Auto output selection to select 4K output modes when appropriate based on the displays 4K EDID information---works with 4K Sony projectors.

A couple of APL test pattern fixups.

Speeds up test patterns.

Fix for sometimes incorrectly disabling a video output when changing between sources.

Slight improvement to 4k scaling.

Fixup for 2144 analog video input 9 not working after factory reset.

Bugfix for issue that can blank output video to an output when switching memories in some cases. (Update time ~15 minutes @57k)

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