Help with Epson 5030ub + HCFR + X-rite 1display PRO - AVS | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 16 Old 01-14-2015, 07:41 PM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
JamesVG81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Winston Salem NC
Posts: 258
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Help with Epson 5030ub + HCFR + X-rite 1display PRO

So my projector is pushing blue like crazy pre HCFR. Not sure what I'm doing wrong hope some one can point me in the right direction. Here are my before and afters and my settings I has to use to get there. I have tried 6000k, 6500k, Epson white on and off, skin tone off , middle and all the way up. Tried thx mode, natural. I still get high blue on all of them. I used the 1display pro on my computer monitor and it works fine. So I'm out of ideas. Also used different test patters from DVE and the 709 Files from here and tried my htpc and xbox one. Thanks

Here are all my before measurements..

Click image for larger version

Name:	GamBefore.jpg
Views:	72
Size:	289.7 KB
ID:	478874

Click image for larger version

Name:	LumBeforejpg.jpg
Views:	68
Size:	242.8 KB
ID:	478882

Click image for larger version

Name:	RGBBefore.jpg
Views:	67
Size:	299.2 KB
ID:	478890

Click image for larger version

Name:	CIEBefore.jpg
Views:	67
Size:	259.0 KB
ID:	478898

and After
Click image for larger version

Name:	GamAfter.jpg
Views:	68
Size:	293.0 KB
ID:	478906

Click image for larger version

Name:	LumAfter.jpg
Views:	60
Size:	248.8 KB
ID:	478914

Click image for larger version

Name:	RGBAfter.jpg
Views:	65
Size:	300.3 KB
ID:	478922

Click image for larger version

Name:	CIEAfter.jpg
Views:	59
Size:	261.0 KB
ID:	478930

Here are the settings I had to use to get there..



Last edited by JamesVG81; 01-14-2015 at 07:46 PM.
JamesVG81 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 Old 01-14-2015, 08:38 PM
Senior Member
 
willieconway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 405
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 42 Post(s)
Liked: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesVG81 View Post
So my projector is pushing blue like crazy pre HCFR. Not sure what I'm doing wrong hope some one can point me in the right direction. Here are my before and afters and my settings I has to use to get there. I have tried 6000k, 6500k, Epson white on and off, skin tone off , middle and all the way up. Tried thx mode, natural. I still get high blue on all of them. I used the 1display pro on my computer monitor and it works fine. So I'm out of ideas. Also used different test patters from DVE and the 709 Files from here and tried my htpc and xbox one. Thanks
Is your screen material supposed to be color neutral? I couldn't find any specs for it.

Adjusting settings according to personal preference is not calibration.

Epson 5030UB, 100" Carada Criterion with Classic Cinema White, Denon AVR 1713, Energy V-5.1s and a V-5.2C , NHT SuperZeros, Mirage Omni S10, Oppo 103D. Currently boxed up and for sale: Klipsch SW-450, NHT Absolute Center, Energy V-Mini-C

Last edited by willieconway; 01-14-2015 at 09:04 PM.
willieconway is online now  
post #3 of 16 Old 01-14-2015, 08:46 PM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
JamesVG81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Winston Salem NC
Posts: 258
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Wilsonart Designer White screen , I found a link with the specs but it won't let me link it in here.. But it tracks very well.

JamesVG81 is offline  
post #4 of 16 Old 01-14-2015, 10:17 PM
Senior Member
 
venkatesh_m's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Penang, Malaysia
Posts: 354
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 18
Is the dynamic iris on when the measurements r taken? Ur contrast might be jacked up too high as the gamma drop at the high end is pretty extreme.
venkatesh_m is offline  
post #5 of 16 Old 01-14-2015, 10:37 PM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
JamesVG81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Winston Salem NC
Posts: 258
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked: 23
It's off made sure. I'll tripple check tommrow but I'm 99% sure. It's defaults to off when you reset it to factory which I have done 3 times now lol eeven updated to the new firmware.
JamesVG81 is offline  
post #6 of 16 Old 01-20-2015, 06:15 PM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
JamesVG81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Winston Salem NC
Posts: 258
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Still having this issue if any one has any ideas? Iris was off. Still pushing blue. Tried putting a white paper up in front of sensor still the same readings. So I'm not sure whats going on.. Any Ideas..

JamesVG81 is offline  
post #7 of 16 Old 01-22-2015, 04:51 AM
Advanced Member
 
kkpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 923
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Does the picture reflect what the measurements are showing? Just wondering if it the meter. What source are you using for the test patterns? I know some blu-ray players do no output correctly.
kkpro is offline  
post #8 of 16 Old 01-22-2015, 05:16 AM
Advanced Member
 
Gregg Loewen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: New England
Posts: 784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 39
of course it is pushing blue....your blue offset is at plus 30.

or am I missing something ?

President, Lion Audio Video Consultants Inc.
Lead THX Video Standards Instructor
Gregg Loewen is offline  
post #9 of 16 Old 01-22-2015, 06:38 AM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
JamesVG81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Winston Salem NC
Posts: 258
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Tried using the xbox one and my htpc , also the DVE disk and the AVS 709 disk. The meter seams to work fine it calibrated my computer monitors fine. Honestly I can't see much difference in the calibrated picture and the non calibrated picture. I save it in my Epson and switched back and forth and I really can't tell. Really feel like I wasted money on this dang thing..

JamesVG81 is offline  
post #10 of 16 Old 02-02-2015, 09:37 AM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
JamesVG81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Winston Salem NC
Posts: 258
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Bump
JamesVG81 is offline  
post #11 of 16 Old 02-02-2015, 10:25 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Planet Dog
Posts: 5,174
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 542 Post(s)
Liked: 482
By the looks of your "after" plots above you haven't really gotten to a good calibration yet so maybe that's why things don't look too different. You didn't answer Gregg's question either, blue bias at +30 is probably not a good setting to be at. Between learning what your projector controls can do and learning what the meter readings mean, and then tying the two together can take quite a bit of time depending on your background. I'd reset the grayscale controls to default and try to figure out why the luminance/gamma plots are so unusual (contrast too high?), you should get the gamma plot relatively flat around 2.2 before attempting any calibration.
zoyd is online now  
post #12 of 16 Old 02-02-2015, 11:50 AM
Member
 
dschlic1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Tampabay, FL
Posts: 118
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 18
I noticed that with my i1Display Pro, I get the same results. I tried changing the "observer" in HCFR and found one that eliminates the problem. Right now I can't remember which one it is.

Sony KDL-42V4100 LCD TV, Yamaha RX-V665 AV receiver, Sony PS3 slim, Klipsch F-30 speaker system
dschlic1 is offline  
post #13 of 16 Old 02-02-2015, 12:44 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Planet Dog
Posts: 5,174
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 542 Post(s)
Liked: 482
That would be a bug, can you reproduce this and post an example .chc file? There is no reason to use other than the default observer type for normal usage.
zoyd is online now  
post #14 of 16 Old 02-04-2015, 10:11 AM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
JamesVG81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Winston Salem NC
Posts: 258
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Here is what my readings are with my projector set to THX and defalts. See where the blue is crazy high. That's with the 80% pattern.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	uncalibrated80%.jpg
Views:	16
Size:	130.1 KB
ID:	525929  

JamesVG81 is offline  
post #15 of 16 Old 02-04-2015, 11:12 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Planet Dog
Posts: 5,174
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 542 Post(s)
Liked: 482
You'll need to research what is or isn't unusual for your projector and what typical calibration approaches prove most useful. You can start here, or ask other owners who have calibrated this projector. A CCT of ~7500K may be normal for those settings. You should also try to find out which display type correction is recommended for the display pro and this projector.
zoyd is online now  
post #16 of 16 Old Today, 09:55 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Kilgore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Huntsville Ontario
Posts: 3,340
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 290 Post(s)
Liked: 222
I've found that with my 5030, you're better off starting with Cinema mode than THX. You can't reach the main points on the color gamut in THX (everything is undersaturated). Cinema mode allows for a much higher gamut. I also use 75 % Saturation patterns for calibrating RGBCYM.


As far as grayscale and your blue push, try different Color Temperature settings and use the one that gives you result closer to what you need and then start calibrating from there (lower should give you less blue, more red). Just because it says 6500K doesn't mean it's really 6500k.
Kilgore is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Display Calibration
Gear in this thread

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off