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I know it wouldn't be perfect or even accurate, but I'd like to see pictures of people's calibrated P65 displays of neutral toned scenes and skin color.
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I know it wouldn't be perfect or even accurate, but I'd like to see pictures of people's calibrated P65 displays of neutral toned scenes and skin color.
Name a scene and I'll take a shot of it.

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Quick question, I am not sure if the Vizio P65-C1 supports the the HLG broadcast form of HDR. Can someone clarify? Sorry if this has been answered, I've been away from the forums for some time.
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Quick question, I am not sure if the Vizio P65-C1 supports the the HLG broadcast form of HDR. Can someone clarify? Sorry if this has been answered, I've been away from the forums for some time.
Not yet

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I was also wondering this.. do you know when the update for it is coming? i have the p65-e1 so im assuming its almost like the c1
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I was also wondering this.. do you know when the update for it is coming? i have the p65-e1 so im assuming its almost like the c1
There is no word as of yet if or when it will be supported.

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**Updated 2/11/17**

Vizio P-50C1, Rec 709 SDR, target 120cd/m, bt1886 gamma (0 for absolute, 100% effective in HCFR settings)

Feel free to try these on your P50, but understand that due to panel variance it may or may not make things any better

Software: HCFR
Patterns: R Masciola's advanced calibration disc (MP4 patterns via nvidia shield), 10%APL windows, 75/75 for color
FALD was on during entire calibration
Firmware: 3.0.13.5

Some large differences numerically in these settings from my previous ones. Previously I had been using a ps4 with the Gamut Calibration Disc to serve patterns to HCFR. I've moved all but my OTA viewing to the nvidia shield, so for this calibration I've served up patterns via Plex on the shield. I also started using R Masciola's MP4 patterns (10% APL which is what I have used previously). I'm not 100% finished with adjustments but anything from here on out is just going to be extremely minor. Grayscale DE was .18 avg/.47 max. For color DE, .71 avg/1.31 max.

Picture Mode: start with calibrated dark, then save to a new preset of your choice
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 25 for 120 cd/m, adjust how you want
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 10

Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: On
Reduce Judder: 2
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off or Low depending on source
Reduce Block Noise: Off or Low depending on source
Film Mode: Auto
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.2

Color Tuner: {Red, Green, Blue, Cyan, Magenta, Yellow}

Hue: 5, -12, 1, -1, 1, -2
Saturation: 6, -3, 4, -24, 1, -1
Brightness: 10, 8, 7, 8, 4, 0

Offset:
Red 0
Green 0
Blue -1

Gain:
Red -10
Green 0
Blue -30

11-point WB {Red, Green, Blue}

5%: 0, 0, 0
10%: -17, -25, -9
20%: -27, -24, -20
30%: -32, -30, -26
40%: -27, -30, -19
50%: -25, -28, -16
60%: -22, -27, -18
70%: -21, -26, -17
80%: -9, -10, -8
90%: -5, -7, -5
100%: 12, -2, 4
Are these the latest and greatest ' best' calibration settings for the latest firmware for the P50?? Thanks!!

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I see Chad's settings are several firmware's old due to personal life (loser...lol!!). Does anyone have calibration settings for a P50 with latest and greatest firmware? Thanks!!

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I set up my new P65-C1 this week using shoman94's P75 settings. Is it recommended I use P65 settings, such as skschatzman's?

Also, I see most settings have different backlight settings for day and night viewing. Do you save each one as it's own setting, and then choose it when appropriate? Or are you using one setting and changing the backlight each time?

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I set up my new P65-C1 this week using shoman94's P75 settings. Is it recommended I use P65 settings, such as skschatzman's?

Also, I see most settings have different backlight settings for day and night viewing. Do you save each one as it's own setting, and then choose it when appropriate? Or are you using one setting and changing the backlight each time?
Do not use mine. I'm in the middle of replacing my display and my posted calibration settings were for my defective panel. Also posted settings should not be used as an actual calibration. Every display ever made is like a fingerprint. The only way to get a true calibration is by calling a certified ISF professional or buy the equipment and learn a new skill.

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Do not use mine. I'm in the middle of replacing my display and my posted calibration settings were for my defective panel. Also posted settings should not be used as an actual calibration. Every display ever made is like a fingerprint. The only way to get a true calibration is by calling a certified ISF professional or buy the equipment and learn a new skill.
I won't be doing either of those, so I figure using posted settings is my best bet vs leaving things as default. I'll stick with shoman's for now. I just noticed he sets Reduce Judder and Motion to 0, whereas you had 3 and 10. I watched UHD for the first time last night, and had to put Judder on 3. I see many people recommend 0 for both in their settings, as it introduces digital noise? I want to try 3 and 10 tonight and see how I like it.

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3.3.18.1 BETA Firmware settings for p75-c1
HDMI-1 (ARC and SubSampling ON) From Main port of Pioneer AVR

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FIRMWARE: 3.3.18.1(UPDATED 07/19/2017)
BG LED display setting
D65 HD Rec.709 w/Power 2.2 Gamma
FALD ON, 10% window, no APL
White: 103cd/m²(nits)
Black: 0.00015 nits
Contrast Ratio (FALD On) 69,860

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Picture Mode: Calibrated NoLights/Calibrated Dark/Calibrated/Game
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 15/40/85/100
Brightness: 50, GAME 35 (XBox One (NON-S))
Contrast: 50, GAME 60 (XBox One (NON-S))
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 5, GAME 10

--More Picture---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Xtreme Black Engine Pro: On
Reduce Judder: 0
Reduce Motion Blur: 0
Clear Action: Off, ON for GAME
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Reduce Motion Judder: 0
Reduce motion Blur: 0
Game Low Latency: ON
Pure Cinema: Off
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.2 (Calibrated NoLights, Calibrated Dark, Game) 2.1 (Calibrated)

---Color Calibration---

Color Tuner:

Hue
Red: 3
Green: 1
Blue: -2
Cyan: 0
Magenta: 0
Yellow: -1

Saturation
Red: 0
Green: -1
Blue: 1
Cyan: 0
Magenta: -2
Yellow: 2

Brightness
Red: 0
Green: 0
Blue: 0
Cyan: -3
Magenta: 0
Yellow: 0

Offset
Red: -9
Green: 0
Blue: -1

Gain
Red: 9
Green: 0
Blue: -19

11 Point White Balance: Listed as R,G,B

5% 40,9,14

10% 7,0,19

20% -5,-4,-6

30% 3,3,3

40% 8,2,7

50% -1,3,5

60% -9,2,3

70% -6,-2,2

80% -8,1,3

90% -12,-1,-1

100% 0,0,0


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Dolby Vision HDR Settings(UPDATED 07/19/2017)
FIRMWARE: 3.3.18.1
BG LED display setting
Rec BT.2020 Colorspace / Dolby Vision P75 EOTF
FALD ON
Gamma 2.2
10% window: 504 nits-100%, 0.004nits-0%
Full Screen Black: 0.004nits


Picture Mode:Calibrated Dark/Calibrated

Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 50
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 5

--More Picture---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Xtreme Black Engine Pro: On
Reduce Judder: 0
Reduce Motion Blur: 0
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Game Low Latency: On
Pure Cinema: Off
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.2/2.1 (Calibrated Dark/Calibrated)

---Color Calibration---

Color Tuner:

Hue:
Red: 0
Green: 15
Blue: -3
Cyan: -2
Magenta: 9
Yellow: -2

Saturation
Red: 6
Green: 15
Blue: -5
Cyan: 15
Magenta: 4
Yellow: -2

Brightness
Red: 0
Green: 0
Blue: 0
Cyan: 0
Magenta: 0
Yellow: 0

Offset
Red: -5
Green: 0
Blue: -2

Gain
Red: -2
Green: 30
Blue: -10

11 Point White Balance: Listed as R,G,B

5% 0,-15,-11

10% -32,-27,-16

20% -29,-25,-24

30% -27,-26,-21

40% -28,-31,-22

50% -38,-22,-21

60% -29,-16,-13

70% -8,0,-2

80% 18,24,21

90% 45,45,45

100% 30,39,35

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HDR-10 Settings(UPDATED 07/19/2017)
FIRMWARE: 3.3.18.1
BG LED display setting
Rec BT.2020 Colorspace / ST2084 HDR PQ
FALD ON
Gamma 2.2
10% window 500nits
Black: 0.004nits


Picture Mode:Calibrated Dark/Calibrated
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 50
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 58
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 5

--More Picture---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Xtreme Black Engine Pro: On
Reduce Judder: 0
Reduce Motion Blur: 0
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Game Low Latency: On
Pure Cinema: Off
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.2/2.1 (Calibrated Dark/Calibrated)

---Color Calibration---

Color Tuner:

Hue:
Red: 5
Green: 15
Blue: -1
Cyan: 6
Magenta: 3
Yellow: -4

Saturation
Red: -7
Green: 11
Blue: -4
Cyan: -9
Magenta: -11
Yellow: -3

Brightness
Red: 0
Green: 0
Blue: 0
Cyan: 0
Magenta: 0
Yellow: 0

Offset
Red: -4
Green: 0
Blue: -2

Gain
Red: -2
Green: 29
Blue: -10

11 Point White Balance: Listed as R,G,B

5% 0,0,0

10% -5,0,9

20% -5,-4,-5

30% 11,3,7

40% 16,5,12

50% 6,16,12

60% 19,22,21

70% 23,21,21

80% 28,31,29

90% 31,29,29

100% 30,34,28
P50 and P75 have same panel type.....would the above settings be a good start for a P50?

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First of all, you probably didn't have to quote the whole post. It took me 10 seconds to scroll down through it with my mouse. Now that's out of the way...

No panel is the same, even if you take 2 panels manufactured one after the other, there will be differences.
Vizio sources panels from many different manufacturers. And panels in the 50" model may be sourced from manufacturer A and the 75" model from manufacturer B.
So actually, none of our posted calibration values should be used as a 'free calibration'. Sometimes sharing these values can show a certain common behavior of a certain size or model or firmware version.
None of these will actually get you an accurate picture. But some may be closer or look better to you subjectively. But then again, without using calibration equipment to measure your screen after putting in those values, you'll never know which is the "best" or most accurate.
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@The Coolest great post I was going to say something similar

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A while back there was an issue with black screens showing a slight green tint. Not sure if any of you know of this, it was an issue on PS3 if you used the full RGB setting I think? And also on PS4 same thing.

Well, I think it's been ever since the last firmware update, using my PC or anything else, black screens are having a slight green tint again. Anyone else having this issue, or is it just me?
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I see many settings posted show Sharpness at something higher than 0. What is the rationale for this? I'm no calibration expert, so I'm looking for advice, since everything I've read says that for 1080/4K you should set it to 0.

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I see many settings posted show Sharpness at something higher than 0. What is the rationale for this? I'm no calibration expert, so I'm looking for advice, since everything I've read says that for 1080/4K you should set it to 0.
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I see many settings posted show Sharpness at something higher than 0. What is the rationale for this? I'm no calibration expert, so I'm looking for advice, since everything I've read says that for 1080/4K you should set it to 0.
For slight edge sharpening for 720 and 1080 tv content.

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I see many settings posted show Sharpness at something higher than 0. What is the rationale for this? I'm no calibration expert, so I'm looking for advice, since everything I've read says that for 1080/4K you should set it to 0.
It depends on the source material if your are watching 1080p and 4k I do recommend off because it can introduce aliasing "halo" effect. You will need a test pattern that looks like a cross hatch turn up sharpness to the highest levels you will see a white halo around the lines. The goal is to set it as high as you can without noticing the halo effect. The problem is with crappy cable is that has a lot of noise on certain programming for example and setting sharpness high will make the noise more pronounced. So imagine you have a 4k source that was shot on film I have found that even setting the sharpness on 5 really makes the film grain pop in a not so good way so I recommend leaving it off for 4k and 2k for that matter.
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Just bought this tv and have a couple questions. 2017 model is essentially the same as previously year so the same calibration settings would apply? Last question is I see different settings for sdr, hdr 10 and dolby vision. If I watch a lot of different content what do I use so I don't have to keep changing or is there saved settings?

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Just bought this tv and have a couple questions. 2017 model is essentially the same as previously year so the same calibration settings would apply? Last question is I see different settings for sdr, hdr 10 and dolby vision. If I watch a lot of different content what do I use so I don't have to keep changing or is there saved settings?

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Once you make the settings that you want for each of these (SDR calibration settings while watching SDR, HDR-10 while watching HDR-10, and DV while watching DV), the display will remember the next time you watch that particular content.
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Just bought this tv and have a couple questions. 2017 model is essentially the same as previously year so the same calibration settings would apply? Last question is I see different settings for sdr, hdr 10 and dolby vision. If I watch a lot of different content what do I use so I don't have to keep changing or is there saved settings?

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Calibration doesn't work that way. Think about displays as you would a fingerprint. No 2 displays are exactly the same. Not even if they are are identical in hardware. Calibrations are unique to every display. The posted settings here are for reference and/or to see patterns between displays. They should not be used in place of an actual calibration. If you do not have the proper equipment or knowledge on how to calibrate, then I suggest you call your local ISF certified technician or use the preconfigured calibrated picture modes already on your display. You will likely cause more abnormalities than improvements by using posted settings.

SDR/HDR/DV use seperate tables that can only be accessed/altered in those modes. You would have to playback content/patterns in those modes to then make adjustments. The display will automatically recall those adjustments based on content being watched.

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Calibration doesn't work that way. Think about displays as you would a fingerprint. No 2 displays are exactly the same. Not even if they are are identical in hardware. Calibrations are unique to every display. The posted settings here are for reference and/or to see patterns between displays. They should not be used in place of an actual calibration. If you do not have the proper equipment or knowledge on how to calibrate, then I suggest you call your local ISF certified technician or use the preconfigured calibrated picture modes already on your display. You will likely cause more abnormalities than improvements by using posted settings.

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Ok. I appreciate it. Was just looking for the bed settings out of the box.

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Even though they say no two displays are the same, I use the suggested settings because it would be cost prohibitive to have someone come over to change the calibrated settings every time Vizio issues a firmware update. The only way it would work to do it for each particular display is if you learned how to calibrate it yourself.
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Even though they say no two displays are the same, I use the suggested settings because it would be cost prohibitive to have someone come over to change the calibrated settings every time Vizio issues a firmware update. The only way it would work to do it for each particular display is if you learned how to calibrate it yourself.
The suggested settings are factory preset "calibrated" & "calibrated dark" if you are not using calibration equipment.

Firmware updates can alter calibration, but is not that severe now. PQ changes now are pretty small so it won't effect overall calibration. My experience from the last few updates.

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Even though they say no two displays are the same, I use the suggested settings because it would be cost prohibitive to have someone come over to change the calibrated settings every time Vizio issues a firmware update. The only way it would work to do it for each particular display is if you learned how to calibrate it yourself.
I agree, if you don't want to calibrate it professionally, using settings here are fine. I always did before I bought my equipment.

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I agree, if you don't want to calibrate it professionally, using settings here are fine. I always did before I bought my equipment.

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I did as well. When I got my equipment, I found out I was making things much worse than factory settings. I tried every single posted settings and compared it to factory. Not one of the posted settings gave an overall improvement and they all made certain areas much worse than factory. A few of them gave somewhat of an improvement by only using 2pt, but once I used the rest of the settings it was all downhill. Before getting my equipment I was so sure posted settings helped too. I convinced myself it was better. Ignorance is bliss, but I would rather know the truth.

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Calibrating TV's

When you calibrate try shooting for a 2.2 or BT1886 Gamma, I found out a long time ago that it helps for home use TV's.
I have submitted a attachment that shows what I am talking about. Once you select a Gamma for your calibration session everything is told to do what ever it can in all settings to get there. Makes it hard from the start for home use.
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