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I have definitely thought about it. However, there really isn't any cost effective solutions to author UHD Bluray at the moment. I know DVD-Logic is releasing "KryptonITe" which sounds promising. Still a possibility!
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I have definitely thought about it. However, there really isn't any cost effective solutions to author UHD Bluray at the moment. I know DVD-Logic is releasing "KryptonITe" which sounds promising. Still a possibility!
Is there even any blank UHD media upon which you could author a disc? Also, is there any indication that KryptonITe will support HDR metadata?

I think that it will be a while yet before writable UHD/HDR becomes available for anything other than large commercial operations.

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Doesn't really matter.

USB is probably the best way right now. I don't come across to many UHD players at the moment...
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Is there even any blank UHD media upon which you could author a disc? Also, is there any indication that KryptonITe will support HDR metadata?

I think that it will be a while yet before writable UHD/HDR becomes available for anything other than large commercial operations.
Based on the conversation that I had with V. Koval over at DVD-Logic, yes, KryptonITe can in fact author HDR elementary video streams and can include associated metadata. However, like Dimitri_ISF mentioned, the lack of UHD players makes it low on my radar and I also feel USB is currently the best method for playback.

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I just finished encoding and the testing of my patterns a few days ago. I sent over copies of my entire pattern suite to Scott(zoyd), Tyler, and Tom for testing and/or verification against HCFR, Calman, and ChromaPure. I also refreshed my website and will go live once the workflows and patterns are verified. I have provided another progress update below. Thanks.

Progress Update 4

REV_001 Structured layout (This is the final finished layout for REV_001 + workflows)

Completed and tested* 1,200 patterns (*100% completed with testing)

Basic Setup Patterns
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  • Title
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5% Window Patterns
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  • 50% Amplitude/50% Saturation Color
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HCFR HDR-10 Workflow
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Hi, when we can buy disc for HDR
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Great!.

Hope you can release it soon.
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Hi sylvain. I'm assuming you mean pattern file download and hopefully soon...very soon!

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I think it's important to have a disc based version. Case in point would be for the new JVCs and the Samsung 8500 UHD Blu Ray player. The JVC's gamma D preset, which it locks into with HDR, is horribly inaccurate; so much so that JVC recommends using certain gamma D tweaks and then putting the Samsung player's "user" preset to +7 contrast/+3 brightness for HDR playback! And it does seem necessary. I was skeptical at first.

Any way, when the new Panasonic and Oppo UHD BD players come out, there's going to be a need to match up their picture controls (assuming they have them) to the Samsung's in HDR mode. One company's +7 contrast might be dramatically different than another's.

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I think it's important to have a disc based version. Case in point would be for the new JVCs and the Samsung 8500 UHD Blu Ray player. The JVC's gamma D preset, which it locks into with HDR, is horribly inaccurate; so much so that JVC recommends using certain gamma D tweaks and then putting the Samsung player's "user" preset to +7 contrast/+3 brightness for HDR playback! And it does seem necessary. I was skeptical at first.

Any way, when the new Panasonic and Oppo UHD BD players come out, there's going to be a need to match up their picture controls (assuming they have them) to the Samsung's in HDR mode. One company's +7 contrast might be dramatically different than another's.
Hi Chad,

Yeah, I spoke with the senior engineer over at DVD-Logic that's directly dealing with the KryptonITe project and it seem legit...pricey, but legit. KryptonITe packages can be purchased à la carte and customized to your needs as well. However, you'd still be looking at roughly $2,000 just to multiplex your already encoded h.265 elementary streams...It is just an extremely basic authoring tool at that price point. I'm still extremely interested in authoring a UHD Bluray version of my project...not quite ready to pull the trigger yet plus the KryptonITe software is just coming out of beta and most likely will have some kinks to iron out.

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Hi sylvain. I'm assuming you mean pattern file download and hopefully soon...very soon!

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I think it's important to have a disc based version. Case in point would be for the new JVCs and the Samsung 8500 UHD Blu Ray player. The JVC's gamma D preset, which it locks into with HDR, is horribly inaccurate; so much so that JVC recommends using certain gamma D tweaks and then putting the Samsung player's "user" preset to +7 contrast/+3 brightness for HDR playback! And it does seem necessary. I was skeptical at first.

Any way, when the new Panasonic and Oppo UHD BD players come out, there's going to be a need to match up their picture controls (assuming they have them) to the Samsung's in HDR mode. One company's +7 contrast might be dramatically different than another's.
You can play the files via the UHD Blu-ray player's USB port. Though I suppose their is no guarantee that this will be identical to what comes off a UHD disc?
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You can play the files via the UHD Blu-ray player's USB port. Though I suppose their is no guarantee that this will be identical to what comes off a UHD disc?
I've also found luminance differences between patterns played via USB through the displays media player vs say the USB on the Samsung UBD‑K8500 media player...

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The R.Masciola's UHD/HDR-10 Pattern Suite is now available HERE. Thank you again to everyone here on AVS Forum for your continued support!

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I took a chance and purchased the download. (The "chance" is mainly because I have no idea what I'm doing.)

I tried the pre-cal (brightness/contrast only) from a USB drive. I had to set the brightness to near 90% to get the flashing dark bars into line. I left the contrast at 40%, although clearly that wouldn't show me a lot of the flashing white bars. (I imagine that implies clipping at high scene brightness levels.)

The result improved the result of some of the HDR demos that I run from a USB drive, especially the LG Chess one.

That brightness setting is completely inappropriate for a UHD BD, though.

I didn't try running the USB version from a port on the UBD-K8500 player yet.

I begin to think that I'm going to regret putzing around with HDR on a low-end UHD TV (Hisense 50H8C).

I'll eagerly await guidance from the experts. Or some way of preparing a BD that is playable.
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I took a chance and purchased the download. (The "chance" is mainly because I have no idea what I'm doing.)

I tried the pre-cal (brightness/contrast only) from a USB drive. I had to set the brightness to near 90% to get the flashing dark bars into line. I left the contrast at 40%, although clearly that wouldn't show me a lot of the flashing white bars. (I imagine that implies clipping at high scene brightness levels.)

The result improved the result of some of the HDR demos that I run from a USB drive, especially the LG Chess one.

That brightness setting is completely inappropriate for a UHD BD, though.

I didn't try running the USB version from a port on the UBD-K8500 player yet.

I begin to think that I'm going to regret putzing around with HDR on a low-end UHD TV (Hisense 50H8C).

I'll eagerly await guidance from the experts. Or some way of preparing a BD that is playable.
Hi bobknavs,

It sounds like your display may be using some type of dynamic contrast or black enhancement processing that's crushing detail. What preset modes do have available in your Hisense 50H8C? I know during testing a majority of manufacture defaulted to a vivid HDR mode which completely crushed shadow detail. The contrast pattern peak at 100% is based on 940 @ 10,000 nits. Current displays won't be able to hit that mark and most will show somewhere in 75% and below range.

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Hi bobknavs,

It sounds like your display may be using some type of dynamic contrast or black enhancement processing that's crushing detail. What preset modes do have available in your Hisense 50H8C? I know during testing a majority of manufacture defaulted to a vivid HDR mode which completely crushed shadow detail. The contrast pattern peak at 100% is based on 940 @ 10,000 nits. Current displays won't be able to hit that mark and most will show somewhere in 75% and below range.

Ryan
The "picture mode" on the 50H8C was "Theater", which is supposed to be the most natural one. (Colors are a little muted, actually. Wouldn't do at all in the showroom. I haven't taken cal data on it yet, but I hope to within the next few days.)

The appearance of files from a USB drive are very different when played through the USB port on the UBD-K8500 than directly through a USB port on the 50H8C. (The images through the UBD are more nearly correct.) It remains to be seen how happy I'll be with a calibration through the USB port, but I'm a little more hopeful now than I was earlier.
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Hello, I need some guidance I have the lg55c6p. When in hdr standard I have the white balance option. Instead of it being percent's it has code values. I thought it would correspond to the 21 point grayscale. It starts to with the highest code value of 668 affects 100%. Then the next step down 653 affects 65%. 11 steps down code value 513 affects 50%. Thanks
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The instruction manual is very helpful. Frankly, that probably tips the scale on the decision to purchase, because my first thought, was that's nice but I won't know how to use many of the patterns. Your instructions go a long way to alleviate that concern. I found one small typo in the document.

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"Not Vidal if all colors aren’t flashing to the 0% mark"

I think you have a small typo. I think you mean Not vital.
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Is this meter capable of reading the colors correctly?

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The instruction manual is very helpful. Frankly, that probably tips the scale on the decision to purchase, because my first thought, was that's nice but I won't know how to use many of the patterns. Your instructions go a long way to alleviate that concern. I found one small typo in the document.

Color Clipping
"Not Vidal if all colors aren’t flashing to the 0% mark"

I think you have a small typo. I think you mean Not vital.
Good catch! Thank you!

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Is this meter capable of reading the colors correctly?

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In short, yes, because of current display limitations. Here is some good info regarding the i1Display Pro and HDR. Thanks.

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Could someone confirm these patterns would be appropriate for my LG OLED B6 and also translate this document in to laymen's terms?

http://www.lg.com/us/support/product...0Procedure.pdf

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With a 10-bit legal range 668 white patch on screen (563.4nits), use the TV ‘OLED Light’ adjustment to achieve a luminance of 540 nits
It is the "10-bit legal range 668" language that I don't understand and I haven't been able to use google to confirm that this means what I think it means. At the top it says use 10% windows, so I think I would display the 10% window 100% IRE pattern and reduce my OLED light until my luminance is 540 nits and then just do a normal 20 point gray scale calibration using the table provided. I think each "10-bit legal range value" maps to each of the 5% increments that is included with these patterns.

Do I understand this correctly?

TIA for any assistance provided.
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Hello, I need some guidance I have the lg55c6p. When in hdr standard I have the white balance option. Instead of it being percent's it has code values. I thought it would correspond to the 21 point grayscale. It starts to with the highest code value of 668 affects 100%. Then the next step down 653 affects 65%. 11 steps down code value 513 affects 50%. Thanks
Hi Jeremy,

A little convoluted in comparison to typical calibration technique I know. Here, see if this link helps. I referenced this during testing. Thanks.

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I have one more question newbie question. HCFR has three color spaces that seem appropriate. Which is the correct one to use?

UHDTV - DCI-P3
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UHDTV - Rec2020/P3
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Could someone confirm these patterns would be appropriate for my LG OLED B6 and also translate this document in to laymen's terms?

http://www.lg.com/us/support/product...0Procedure.pdf



It is the "10-bit legal range 668" language that I don't understand and I haven't been able to use google to confirm that this means what I think it means. At the top it says use 10% windows, so I think I would display the 10% window 100% IRE pattern and reduce my OLED light until my luminance is 540 nits and then just do a normal 20 point gray scale calibration using the table provided. I think each "10-bit legal range value" maps to each of the 5% increments that is included with these patterns.

Do I understand this correctly?

TIA for any assistance provided.
10 bit code 668 is roughly 68.9% of the entire 10 bit video legal range (64-940). The 100% grayscale patch in my pattern suite represents (940,940,940) and each display will roll off at different points near 65% - 75%.

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I have one more question newbie question. HCFR has three color spaces that seem appropriate. Which is the correct one to use?

UHDTV - DCI-P3
UHDTV - Rec2020
UHDTV - Rec2020/P3
Use "UHDTV - Rec2020".

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10 bit code 668 is roughly 68.9% of the entire 10 bit video legal range (64-940). The 100% grayscale patch in my pattern suite represents (940,940,940) and each display will roll off at different points near 65% - 75%.

Ryan

Thanks. I think I understand now. LG took the range their TV is capable of and divided it into 20 sections.

What is odd is that the settings I had originally looked at were from streaming Amazon HDR content from the internal TV app and it has the normal white balance controls 5%-100% and includes the internal pattern I checked the same content from my Samsung UHD player and it shows the white balance controls referred to above and no chance to change to 2 point.
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Could someone confirm these patterns would be appropriate for my LG OLED B6 and also translate this document in to laymen's terms?

http://www.lg.com/us/support/product...0Procedure.pdf



It is the "10-bit legal range 668" language that I don't understand and I haven't been able to use google to confirm that this means what I think it means.
Hi, according with ST.2084 EOTF, for TV Legal Signal 10bit (Video Levels: 64 (0 nits) is the Black, 940 (10.000) is the 100% White), the 668 (563.48 nits) is the 68.94% Gray.
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Hi, according with ST.2084 EOTF, for TV Legal Signal 10bit (Video Levels: 64 (0 nits) is the Black, 940 (10.000) is the 100% White), the 668 (563.48 nits) is the 68.94% Gray.
Why not 1023 (2^10 - 1) rather than 940?

(Kidding, mostly.)
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10 bit code 668 is roughly 68.9% of the entire 10 bit video legal range (64-940). The 100% grayscale patch in my pattern suite represents (940,940,940) and each display will roll off at different points near 65% - 75%.

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Given the fact LG OLED has this specific 20 point white balance guidance, I would think there would be a small market for files that match their specifications. Of course I have no idea how much effort that takes. In any case, these patterns overall will get me much closer than I am now. Thanks for creating this!
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