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For any of the HDR displays. I anticipate that it won't be long before the other technologies (quantum dot, QLED, etc.) used currently for HDR sets leave 2016 and 2017 models in the dust in terms of peak brightness...
True but most other HDR sets already surpass the upper limits of my iD3. So my next meter will either depend on when OLED surpasses 1000 nits OR the next emissive tech rolls out doing so (I will never go back to transmissive lol)

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True but most other HDR sets already surpass the upper limits of my iD3. So my next meter will either depend on when OLED surpasses 1000 nits OR the next emissive tech rolls out doing so (I will never go back to transmissive lol)

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The way I see it is we will likely never come close to the max 10,000nit output of DV or future dynamic HDR formats. There are already complaints about the output being too bright on some sets and we really only have barely broken 2000nits on consumer displays. Most consumers care about deep blacks and good contrast/gradient with no banding. I understand we will not see large portions of the screen even close to that high, but I don't want to see spots after a pan shot of the sun. 2000nits I think is a good max.

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True but most other HDR sets already surpass the upper limits of my iD3. So my next meter will either depend on when OLED surpasses 1000 nits OR the next emissive tech rolls out doing so (I will never go back to transmissive lol)

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I'm in the other camp. I personally feel that currently OLED has too many limitations (price, due probably to still-low manufacturing yields, limited brightness for HDR, technology aspects such as metamerism failure and other picture quality issues that might be laid at the door of the manufacturer-LG and their poor CMS come to mind) for my serious consideration. Metameric failure isn't solely the province of OLED-LED LCDs suffer from it to varying degrees, but the OLED sets are receiving the most press for it here on AVS. I'm going to wait on OLED.

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I'm in the other camp. I personally feel that currently OLED has too many limitations (price, due probably to still-low manufacturing yields, limited brightness for HDR, technology aspects such as metamerism failure and other picture quality issues that might be laid at the door of the manufacturer-LG and their poor CMS come to mind) for my serious consideration. Metameric failure isn't solely the province of OLED-LED LCDs suffer from it to varying degrees, but the OLED sets are receiving the most press for it here on AVS. I'm going to wait on OLED.
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The way I see it is we will likely never come close to the max 10,000nit output of DV or future dynamic HDR formats. There are already complaints about the output being too bright on some sets and we really only have barely broken 2000nits on consumer displays. Most consumers care about deep blacks and good contrast/gradient with no banding. I understand we will not see large portions of the screen even close to that high, but I don't want to see spots after a pan shot of the sun. 2000nits I think is a good max.

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You may be right. On the other hand, in the relative scheme of things, even 10K nits really isn't that much. IIRC, a new 60-watt incandescent bulb produces on the order of 18K nits. Yes, it's in a very tiny area (the filament), but it's there.

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As a C-6 with its expanded display profiles, yes. These are contained within CalMAN. To other 3rd-party software, it should look like and work the same as an OEM I1D3. Not sure if the HDR and HDR2000 models will work to their upper luminance limits with other software.
Nope. The firmware in the C-6 restricts its functionality to only SpectraCal software, at least when using X-Rite drivers. Argyll, which uses proprietary drivers may have found a way around this.
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Nope. The firmware in the C-6 restricts its functionality to only SpectraCal software, at least when using X-Rite drivers. Argyll, which uses proprietary drivers may have found a way around this.
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@WiFi-Spy I'm interested in buying the new meter, but not until you tell me the black level accuracy. Is it on par or better than the previous C6?

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As a C-6 with its expanded display profiles, yes. These are contained within CalMAN. To other 3rd-party software, it should look like and work the same as an OEM I1D3.
You can create a meter correction table measuring from CalMAN with the special EDR table as active, copy the WRGB xyY to another software which you can access C6 (LightSpace/HCFR/DisplayCAL), use the xyY from CalMAN as Reference Meter , then measure with C6 from at any mode the WRGB and create the meter correction table matrix for the other software.

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As a C-6 with its expanded display profiles, yes. These are contained within CalMAN. To other 3rd-party software, it should look like and work the same as an OEM I1D3. Not sure if the HDR and HDR2000 models will work to their upper luminance limits with other software.
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Nope. The firmware in the C-6 restricts its functionality to only SpectraCal software, at least when using X-Rite drivers. Argyll, which uses proprietary drivers may have found a way around this.
Thanks for the help and the correction. This would be a no go then since I need to use it with other software.
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I just want to know why the C6 HDR2000 is $500 more than the i1DPro that are 2000nit ready.....
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I bought one straight away.

Sending my old c6 back early August with the new model arriving in late August (a swap out deal at a reduced price).

Time for old meter to be NIST re-certed any way so thought; why the heck not.

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@WiFi-Spy I'm interested in buying the new meter, but not until you tell me the black level accuracy. Is it on par or better than the previous C6?


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It is the same as the existing C6.
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I just want to know why the C6 HDR2000 is $500 more than the i1DPro that are 2000nit ready.....
C-6 meters feature multiple additional profiles for different display types created by SpectraCal that are available within CalMAN. If one doesn't have a spectro available to create these profiles, this approach makes sense. Earlier C-6 editions also saw an improvement in reading speeds over the retail I1D3 (C-6 models have customized firmware).

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C-6 meters feature multiple additional profiles for different display types created by SpectraCal that are available within CalMAN. If one doesn't have a spectro available to create these profiles, this approach makes sense. Earlier C-6 editions also saw an improvement in reading speeds over the retail I1D3 (C-6 models have customized firmware).
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Nope. The firmware in the C-6 restricts its functionality to only SpectraCal software, at least when using X-Rite drivers. Argyll, which uses proprietary drivers may have found a way around this.
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SpectraCAL C6/C6 HDR is a OEM Branded i1Display PRO meter as we know, all i1Display PRO meters (Retail/OEM/OEM Branded) feature the exact same hardware/firmware, just C6 has different internal meter unlocking code (to make it work with CalMAN only officially....but it can work with HCFR/LightSpace/DisplayCAL/ArgyllCMS also unofficially; with exact same drivers; just with different unlocking code inside).

HCFR/Argyll is using their own custom drivers to operate the meter, the same SpectraCAL is doing also, they have written exclusive code to operate C6 (and i1D3 also) from inside CalMAN.

This is one reason why AIO mode of i1Display PRO Rev.B meters is not available from CalMAN/HCFR/Argyll, because they are not using X-Rite SDK to operate the meter, they are using their own custom code modes.

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Not sure about that, but I guess it would make sense...
But, at a similar price point (ok, a bit more expensive) I'd probably go with a Discus.
It has better low-light capabilities than the i1D3 and its derivates, and will read up to 2500 nits.
(And has glass optics, not plastic, and a laser alignment capability).
[url]http://www.basiccolor.de/basiccolor-discus-en/[/url

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C-6 meters feature multiple additional profiles for different display types created by SpectraCal that are available within CalMAN. If one doesn't have a spectro available to create these profiles, this approach makes sense. Earlier C-6 editions also saw an improvement in reading speeds over the retail I1D3 (C-6 models have customized firmware).


Yes, including Xenon projector, laser phosphor projector, white OLED, and coming soon Samsung Quantum dot 2015, 2016, 2017 models (separate profile for each year).

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For a display like 940E should I be using 11p on 10p calibration and use the meter to measure 0% IRE? Or should I input a value manually. I notice the gamma curve for 10 % is showing 2.15 and I think this will cause the dark picture to be more washed out.


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@WiFi-Spy - I see you had a really useful whitepaper describing your certification methodology for the C6 HDR meters.
http://www.spectracal.com/Documents/...20C6%20HDR.pdf

Do you have details of what the process is / what limits are used for the C6 HDR2000 meters?
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I've been using CalMAN Enthusiast for my RS500 and an old ColorMunki Photo spectro along with X-rite i1 Display OEM. In moving to the HDR2000 would it be necessary or wise to upgrade the spectro to an i1 Pro 2 for profiling? Is there any reason to expect an upgrade to the Pro 2 due to UHD/HDR or other technologies coming down the road? Also, curious about the impact that laser light output plays in the viability of these meters.

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Got the same email. Wondering if it would be smarter to trade in my i1 Display PRO and take advantage of the upgrade discount instead of getting a used i1 PRO for profiling. Hmmm...
My meter collection includes an i1pro, and i1pro2, and a c6 2000 (on the way)

I would get a second hand pro2 (the mandatory 10 minute black level reading of the i1pro is a pain) and have it recertified.

Then use that to profile your i1 display pro. You can also use your i1 display pro natively with lightspace (3D LUTS) as well as calman.

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I've been using CalMAN Enthusiast for my RS500 and an old ColorMunki Photo spectro along with X-rite i1 Display OEM. In moving to the HDR2000 would it be necessary or wise to upgrade the spectro to an i1 Pro 2 for profiling? Is there any reason to expect an upgrade to the Pro 2 due to UHD/HDR or other technologies coming down the road? Also, curious about the impact that laser light output plays in the viability of these meters.
I1pro2 would seem to have a 1300 nit limit.

Judicious use of a natural density filter etc, can extend its life of course.

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In moving to the HDR2000 would it be necessary or wise to upgrade the spectro to an i1 Pro 2 for profiling? Is there any reason to expect an upgrade to the Pro 2 due to UHD/HDR or other technologies coming down the road? Also, curious about the impact that laser light output plays in the viability of these meters.
All 2017 OEM i1D3's can do 2000 nits, so worth checking what i1d3 you have already.
And for Laser light projectors you really will need a very narrow bandwidth Spectro - the i1Pro(2) at 10nm is not narrow enough. Unfortunately you really need something like the CR-300, 2nm Spectro.

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All 2017 OEM i1D3's can do 2000 nits, so worth checking what i1d3 you have already.
And for Laser light projectors you really will need a very narrow bandwidth Spectro - the i1Pro(2) at 10nm is not narrow enough. Unfortunately you really need something like the CR-300, 2nm Spectro.

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The i1 Display OEM is from a few years ago. Guess I'll need to rely on the stability of the C6 HDR2000 for my purposes. And unless laser based projectors from JVC arrive with much lower prices I'll be sticking with the RS500 for another few years. I was more concerned with the ColorMunki with the HDR2000

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