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lkosova's Avatar lkosova
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Does anyone have the expertise to know of the different software/hardware calibration companies that go beyound AVIA and DVD Essentials and the like???

Which are easy to use and what equipment is required and cost if you have a ballpark...

Thanks,

Larry
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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Look for the threads here on SpyderTV.

Kal
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Thanks Kal,

Just saw that in CE pro or your rag and will have to look it up but don't think I can use that for front projectors just tv's and plasma's etc.

Thanks,

Larry
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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If you read the thread, you will learn otherwise.

Kal
Michael TLV's Avatar Michael TLV
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Greetings

For doing grayscale on the pro level, there are four main units that openly compete against each other.

The Optic One ... The Datacolor Colorfacts ... the Sencore Analyzer and the Accucal. Priced in the $1000-$3500 range.

While the interfaces are slightly different, they all operate pretty much the same. Colorfacts is the most pretty of the three ... then Optic One and then Sencore and then Accucal. I find that all are very straight forward for learning. If you understand anything about grayscale then you can learn the mechanics of the programs within 10 minutes.

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Kal,

Just got done ready the thread so now I know...thanks,


Michael ,

Thanks for taking the time to respond ...all is helpful.

Larry
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Dont forget about umr software + EyeOne spectroradiometer option :)
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I am in contact with Jeff and playing phone tag.

Thanks,

Larry
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Originally Posted by Kroot
Dont forget about umr software + EyeOne spectroradiometer option :)
That *is* Accucal.

And, I'm not sure, but I think OpticOne has gone away. Or at least the parent company is selling it themselves now. Optic One was Avia/Ovation's rebadged CA-6X. OpticOne and Progressive Labs CA-6X are one in the same. Progressive Labs is doing the marketing now, or is also anyway. See www.progressivelabs.net
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The CA-6X is designed and sold by Progressive Labs. We previously distributed this product though Ovation as the OpticONE. We have made numerous enhancements to the product recently which make the software capable of greater accuracy then competitors products. The screen offset file function is now complete with files for approximately 60 front screen materials from manufacturers including Carada, DaLite, Draper, Oray, Stewart, Screen Research, and Vutec. The files allow the user to calibrate the projector with the probe oriented towards the lens of a front projector yielding results that will be accurate as viewed from the screen. The files dial out the chromaticity shift induced by the screen material for precise calibration results.
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....We have made numerous enhancements to the product recently which make the software capable of greater accuracy then competitors products. ....
My experience is that a spectroradiometer is more accurate in general than the filter based device used in your product.
umr's Avatar umr
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... We have made numerous enhancements to the product recently which make the software capable of greater accuracy then competitors products. ...
Cliff,

You might want to read this http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...5----000-.html before you make such claims.
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Oh hell, what claims? Both posts deleted. Damn. :)
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If you read the thread, you will learn otherwise.

Kal
Wow! Someone from Stereophile read my thread. :eek: :cool:
GetGray's Avatar GetGray
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I am in contact with Jeff and playing phone tag.
I think the hurricane had him out-of-pocket. Is he back yet?
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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Wow! Someone from Stereophile read my thread. :eek: :cool:
Yup. And got a SpyderTV. Now, all I need is the time to play with it.

Kal
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... We have made numerous enhancements to the product recently which make the software capable of greater accuracy then competitors products. ....
I find that claim very surprising. Which competitors? Where is your data to back up this claim? All of the data I have seen says the CA-6X is not close to the most accurate product on the market. Do you really believe your CA-6X is more accurate than a GMB EyeOne Pro?
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I purchased a SpyderTv and either it's not accurate or AVIA is not accurate.
It appears to be w/i a couple (3-7) of clicks, but that is a big variation. I can eyeball a TV w/i a couple of "clicks."

However, I do like the picture better, b/c I am generally conservative w/ the contrast and brightness when using AVIA.

Also, the automated wizard appears to be inconsistent and it appears to be intentionally off. I make better guesses using their graphs than they do. Used it three times and it seems to vary by 3 clicks or 5%. That bugs me.

The only reason I bring this up is, it takes 25 minutes minimum where Avia takes 5-15 minutes.
What's the point of guessing at greyscale w/ this if it's not accurate.
I mean is this a software-limited tool or a toy?

When I have more time I will experiment w/ it?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdilM
I purchased a SpyderTv and either it's not accurate or AVIA is not accurate.
It appears to be w/i a couple (3-7) of clicks, but that is a big variation. I can eyeball a TV w/i a couple of "clicks."

However, I do like the picture better, b/c I am generally conservative w/ the contrast and brightness when using AVIA.

Also, the automated wizard appears to be inconsistent and it appears to be intentionally off. I make better guesses using their graphs than they do. Used it three times and it seems to vary by 3 clicks or 5%. That bugs me.

The only reason I bring this up is, it takes 25 minutes minimum where Avia takes 5-15 minutes.
What's the point of guessing at greyscale w/ this if it's not accurate.
I mean is this a software-limited tool or a toy?

When I have more time I will experiment w/ it?
You may want to call tech support on that one. There are a few lingering bugs, but I thought they had gotten the measurement issues fixed. One note, though: are you taking measurements with a lot of ambient light?

Kal - Sweet! I guess turnabout is fair play with my influencing purchases you guys make (even if only one!).

Later,
Bill
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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Kal - Sweet! I guess turnabout is fair play with my influencing purchases you guys make (even if only one!).
Guessing from what I've reviewed, I suspect I've cost you more money than you've cost me. :D

Kal
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No ambient light issues. I will call them when time arrives.
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Originally Posted by GetGray
That *is* Accucal.
Ups - sorry. I read your original post in haste and my mind read Accupel instead of Accucal. :)

P.S. I have Accucal softwarre myself.
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