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post #541 of 3254 Old 12-07-2006, 06:12 PM
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Definitely set your gamma @ Film mode, not PC. That'll probably resolve your gamma spike, if not check your contrast level. If it's too high, it'll cause that alot of times. About the green oversaturation, it seems that's a natural issue with those projectors.
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Hey Bean -

Your quick to learn..your tracking pretty nicely..as mentioned, change your gamma setting...

Also - make sure for your greyscale readings that under Pref tab that you select 16-235, and when you read your prim/secondaries switch it to 0-255..

not much more advice..

just remember for setting black levels (brightness)..put up the 0IRE and pause it, walk up to your screen/wall and turn it up (you may see it already) for mosquito noise - that is your mirros being on (typical DLP) turn it down until it dissapears (means OFF mirrors) that will be your black level. For Contrast, in AVIA, the pluge needle pulse pattern that is your typical contrast pattern, look at the below, and bring your contrast up until you see the right white bar dissapear (or one of them - not sure - there are 2 of them next to each other) and then bring it down a couple of clicks (2-3) this will be your contrast setting..afterdoing a greyscale it important to go back and check your brighntess and contrast setting to fine tweak it, if necessary.

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Hey guys. Since i can no longer find the DTP-94, is the XR the newer version?

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The monaco optix XR is the latest package that contains the latest dtp-94 instrument that can be had for a good price. Try normancamera.com.

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Thanks HD and Rich..

I did try all four modes, Cinema, Video, Graphics and PC.. I set it at PC because I read somewhere on another thread that this was the correct setting to get the Gamma right for this model. Anyways I might go back and try cinema again and see if reducing the green/blue will get me closer...

I'll repost the settings at that point...
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Ooops,
On that chart I left the software setting at 16-235 for the primary/secondary measurements. So Maybe they are actually pretty close.
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The monaco optix XR is the latest package that contains the latest dtp-94 instrument that can be had for a good price. Try normancamera.com.

Best,
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Thanks Jeff!!!
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Now the real question - I know this is the topic of much dispute here but i'm just wondering if the DTP94 device is going to give me more accurate results over my Spyder 2.

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Where the advantages are with the DTP-94, it quicker, its handles lower IRE (10-20IRE), while the spyder will struggle a bit at 20IRE, but is formidable after..and the results are very VERY similar...With the spyder you will need to increase read time and be much more patient...not with the DTP-94 (plus no hassle of baffle on or off)

If you can swing for a DTP-94, I wouldnt 2nd guess it, but if you want to save a couple of bucks..the spyder2 will do just fine (spyder2 express package is the cheapest)

Heck, I just got my DTP-94 yesterday and someone bought my SPyder2 yesterday..and I am sure they will be happy with it..I just like the DTP for its quickness because it helps me work in a shorter period with better results at 10-20IRE..nothing much different going up..

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does anybody have settings for a Barco 701mm crt projector?

you might want to go to the CRT forum...lots of good help there..

btw..although Ive never seen a barco at work..I hear alot of good things about them..

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Where the advantages are with the DTP-94, it quicker, its handles lower IRE (10-20IRE), while the spyder will struggle a bit at 20IRE, but is formidable after..and the results are very VERY similar...With the spyder you will need to increase read time and be much more patient...not with the DTP-94 (plus no hassle of baffle on or off)

If you can swing for a DTP-94, I wouldnt 2nd guess it, but if you want to save a couple of bucks..the spyder2 will do just fine (spyder2 express package is the cheapest)

Heck, I just got my DTP-94 yesterday and someone bought my SPyder2 yesterday..and I am sure they will be happy with it..I just like the DTP for its quickness because it helps me work in a shorter period with better results at 10-20IRE..nothing much different going up..

I'm looking forward to my new (used) Spyder2. The long read time is not too bad for me: I have a dynamic iris projector, so I'll have to pause for each reading, anyway. And my projector's controls (adjustments) -- at least the ones I am comfortable with -- are pretty non-granular so being able to read values at 10ire would be interesting, but not too useful for me.

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I hope the Optix-XR REALLY is the same DTP-94 that is better at low IRE than the Spyder2..... I'm so tired of buying Spyder's because they incrementally improved the hardware over the years without clearly defining which was which.... with my luck, the Monaco package includes a "generic" level device which is not as accurate


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Been fiddling trying to work out what does what and slowly but surely I'm heading in the right direction.

This is my latest using the DIY HCFR probe.

AE900E (NZ model)
Pany HT520
Component at 576i(one day be able to upgrade to 720p)

Found measurements capable down to 10IRE, but to get the 00IRE to register I wound up the brightness by 4 clicks for the 00IRE then reset back to set point.
I have done some tests on a collector gain and had some progress, just needs fine tuning. But shows promise for the bottom end.

I spent a long time setting the RGB color and tint using the CIE REC601, once as close as possible I found the grey scale tracking twice as good from the start and saved alot of time endlessly running the grey scale.
Although I broke a number of rules, I tweaked overall contrast, color and tint all the time. Why?, because the gamma was clipping for a start, so had to back off contrast. The CIE points moved and so re-adjusted color and tint, a point here and there.
Blue is a little off on the CIE, but the probable reason is the blue shift in my painted screen,a white and lampblack grey. Think I got it under control, but a little oversaturated.

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I hope the Optix-XR REALLY is the same DTP-94 that is better at low IRE than the Spyder2..... I'm so tired of buying Spyder's because they incrementally improved the hardware over the years without clearly defining which was which.... with my luck, the Monaco package includes a "generic" level device which is not as accurate



It is..I have it..the OPTIX-XR has the DTP-94 PROBE with it..as mentioned I just got it two days ago..so IM COINFIRMING it..the probe even stated DTP-94

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Here is a suggestion for the HCFR developers. On the gamma chart break it appart into its constituent colors. That way you can see if one color is over powering or clipping.
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jimwhite,
Yes we're sure. Make sure the box you get refers to optix XR. the key is XR. This is monaco's relabelling of the dtp-94. This naming convention has been in place without change for more than a year.

If you order, make sure you're ordering the monaco optix xr and you can't go wrong.

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Any Idea when the NTSC Version of the dvd will be available? Will it be available in english as well?
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Here is a suggestion for the HCFR developers. On the gamma chart break it appart into its constituent colors. That way you can see if one color is over powering or clipping.

right click the pattern for more info..

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I've got my grayscale tracked pretty nicely, but anything from 30ire to 00ire is not reading correctly on the spyder2. Looks like I may need to buy the DTP-94.



Gonna do the primaries and secondaries this weekend.

 

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ok... I guess I have to install the software to read folks attachments... I guess it's won't run on a mac since my primary machine is a mac?

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its not MAC compatible..I think

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Any Idea when the NTSC Version of the dvd will be available? Will it be available in english as well?


what - your not up to date on your French..MERCI

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Hey does anyone know where I can find DTP-94 (monaco optix xr) at a discent price?
Abviously no problem finding Spyder II.

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adorama camera.com was the cheapest, but I think Igot the last one..because people have been mentioning that they no longer have it on their website and have called to verify

if you scroll to another posting below about the DTP-94, there is someone who posted where else, although a bit more money..

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Hi bean-66
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Here is a suggestion for the HCFR developers. On the gamma chart break it appart into its constituent colors. That way you can see if one color is over powering or clipping.

It's already available, on option. Right click on luma chart, and check the options you need.

Anyway, it is not easy to interpret component gamma value. You should use RGB level chart for that, it's much more intuitive. Luma graph is nice for general gamma, and component gamma is sometimes (but rarely) useful when you have very big trouble and do not understand anything

The English help file is not ready, but it's well advanced. We continue working hard on it. Please be patient, we are not a commercial enterprise and all guys work during their free time

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George -

Thanks for the great software...much appreciated by many of us..this has been a very fun experience...

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ok... I guess I have to install the software to read folks attachments... I guess it's won't run on a mac since my primary machine is a mac?

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bean-66, Right click on the graph, you can already do that (a probably many other things you don't immediatly spot)

Edit --> Just seen Georges answer

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bean-66, Right click on the graph, you can already do that (a probably many other things you don't immediatly spot)

Edit --> Just seen Georges answer

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if both of you scroll up just about two posting below. his question.I already mentioned it..

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