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AVS HD 709 - Blu-ray & MP4 Calibration

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INTRODUCTION
This project aims to provide a free set of calibration patterns for high definition (HD) video players. You will find downloads here to create discs for Blu-ray and AVCHD players, a version with MP4 video for computers or other compatible devices, and a Patterns Manual with some basic instructions. Users can burn the downloads to DVD media for some applications, but all of the download versions are intended only for HD players. These calibration patterns will not play on standard DVD players, and they are not expected to calibrate for Rec. 601 video used in commercial DVDs. The AVS HD 709 patterns are meant only to calibrate for Rec. 709 encoded HD video, such as commercial Blu-rays.

Primarily we intend to offer HD video patterns for calibrating digital displays, such as current LCD, LED, Plasma, and DLP models. This project does not address analog display (CRT) or audio calibration, which can be found on other sources such as Digital Video Essentials or Avia. The patterns provided have been divided into sections for different tasks. The Blu-ray related discs allow you to select sections from menus, and you can navigate the video clips in each section by chapter skipping. The Basic Settings and Miscellaneous Patterns primarily focus on setting user controls for your electronics with no test equipment, except possibly a color filter. The HDTV Calibration video by HD Nation in the HDMV and AVCHD versions can give new users some information on the most common display settings, or the Related Links can take MP4 users to the online episodes. The remaining sections are meant for taking measurements from the display, with a colorimeter or spectroradiometer, using software like ColorHCFR, CalMAN, or ChromaPure. Further details for using the downloads to calibrate your digital display are covered in the Patterns Manual, and everyone is encouraged to download a copy of the basic instructions for using the patterns.



DOWNLOADS Updated November 30, 2010
Directly below you will find the project downloads. The HDMV and AVCHD versions are intended for playback on Blu-ray players, the MP4 version is compatible with many HD media players, and a Patterns Manual is included with recommendations for using the patterns. Following the downloads an area titled Steps To Use The Downloads explains the general process to create a playable disc. A more specific procedure is given under Example For Windows Computers to create a disc for Blu-ray players. The Download Notes area simply includes some additional details, such as general system requirements and troubleshooting information. For anyone that wants to create a disc for a Blu-ray player, you may want to start with the Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post, to determine if you should download the HDMV or AVCHD version.

HDMV (.exe) or HDMV (.7z) - See Download Note A
Iso MD5: ad5006398671a54f96c314a3425621b0 - See Download Note D
Plays on: Most Blu-ray players from BD-RE or BD-R media. See the Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post for more information on compatibility.
Burn to: BD-RE or BD-R media with a Blu-ray burner.
Note: This is a Blu-ray format, and it is primarily intended for BD-RE or BD-R media. If you only have access to a DVD burner, please check your player for AVCHD compatibility first. Some Blu-ray players do not support AVCHD and can play this version if burned to DVD media with a DVD burner, which will be listed as the DVDM option in the Blu-ray Players List.
Includes: All content and features available from AVS HD 709, as shown in the Patterns Manual.

AVCHD (.exe) or AVCHD (.7z) - See Download Note A
Iso MD5: 654920d1f3f1182423ecfbb75ff52263 - See Download Note D
Plays on: Many AVCHD compatible Blu-ray players. The Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post includes more information to determine if your Blu-ray player supports this download.
Burn to: DVD writable media with a DVD burner.
Note: When using DVD media some players will only be able to play either the AVCHD or HDMV, and the other version will not work from DVD media. For example the PS3 can only play the AVCHD from DVD media, and some Samsung models also only play one version version from DVD media. Technically the AVCHD includes extended information and omits the AUXDATA, BDJO, JAR, and CERTIFICATE folders, which can affect playback from DVD media on some players.
Includes: Most content available from AVS HD 709. Refer to the Patterns Manual for more information.
Not Included: Some Misc. Patterns, such as the Mpeg2 video from dr1394, and the top navigation selections from the HDMV menus.

MP4 (.exe) or MP4 (.7z)
Plays on: Many MPEG-4 AVC or H.264 video players. For example computer video players, or the Xbox 360 after an online update. See the player specifications for types of video supported.
Media: Depends on player, for example the Xbox 360 can play files from DVD media.
Includes: Individual AVC video test clips in an MP4 container. Limitations are listed in the next line, and the Patterns Manual includes further details.
Not Included: Menus and navigation features, the HDTV Calibration video from HD Nation (see Related Links), or Misc. Patterns Mpeg2 video from dr1394.

PATTERNS MANUAL (.pdf)
Note: Regardless which of the above versions you choose, please download the PDF document for general information about the patterns and recommendations on how to use the video sections. If you require further information about taking measurements, please see the documentation for the software you are using or refer to the Related Links area of this post. The pictures included in the Patterns Manual come from the HDMV version, and the AVCHD or MP4 version will not include a few features as commented above with the downloads.

ALTERNATE DOWNLOAD LINKS
Note: If you happen to encounter any issues downloading from the prior links, the files are also available at http://W6RZ.net/



STEPS TO USE THE DOWNLOADS
1) Choose a version: Decide on either the HDMV, AVCHD, or MP4 version depending on what HD player you want to use. HDMV will be compatible with the largest number of Blu-ray players if burned to BD-RE or BD-R media, so if you have access to a Blu-ray burner typically you would choose the HDMV version. There are many Blu-ray players today that are AVCHD compatible, so for people that want to calibrate from a Blu-ray player and only have a DVD burner the AVCHD would often be the version to choose. Burning HDMV to DVD media will not be as widely compatible as either of the prior choices, but if you only have access to a DVD burner it may work for a few Blu-ray players that are not AVCHD compatible. The Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post gives more information on how to select a version for your Blu-ray player. The MP4 version is intended for applications other than calibration with a Blu-ray player, such as some digital media players that can play AVC video. In any case your player must be able to play true high definition video, such as a Blu-ray or HD media player. None of the versions will work on standard DVD players, or upconverting DVD players, because those players cannot play actual HD video.

2) Download a compressed file and manual: Select either the .exe or .7z file to download, according to the computer operating system you are using. The .exe will work on Windows. The .7z is not system-specific, so it will work with Windows, Linux, or Mac with additional software. The HDMV or AVCHD can usually be downloaded with web browsers. Using a download manager that supports resuming (like Orbit Downloader) is another option to make sure you receive a complete file, and a download manager may also provide the fastest possible download speed. The downloads will take some time to finish, especially the HDMV or AVCHD version. How long the downloads take will depend on various factors, but a 6 Mbps connection might take at least 15 minutes. At this time, please also download the Patterns Manual, for some basic details on how to use the patterns.

3) Decompress the download: If you downloaded the .exe, Windows should decompress the file by double-clicking on it. There have been a few reports of the .exe failing to work, so if the .exe happens to fail on your Windows system you might instead try the .7z version. For the .7z, you will also need the free 7-zip software to decompress or extract the file. Here is a description for Mac, or Rucksack was also suggested for .7z decompression on Mac. The decompressed HDMV or AVCHD file requires approximately 4.4 GB of free space on a modern file system (See Download Note A). The MP4 download will decompress to video files and folders. If you happen to run into issues with this step, it could be due to an incomplete download, so please refer to Download Note B.

4) Burn a disc: The HDMV or AVCHD requires you to burn a disc after decompressing the downloaded file. This step does not necessarily apply to the MP4 version, but for the Xbox 360 you can simply burn the files to a writable DVD. The AVCHD version is intended to be burned to DVD media with a DVD burner. HDMV is intended to be burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner, but there are a few players that are not AVCHD compatible and can play HDMV if burned to DVD media with a DVD burner (DVDM option). Our recommendation is to use ImgBurn as shown below in the Example For Windows Computers for burning .iso files to disc. Windows Vista Service Pack 2 and Windows 7 or 8 also allow you to burn an .iso file to disc by right-clicking on the file from Windows Explorer, or this link gives step by step instructions for burning an .iso image with a number of Windows programs. On Mac an .iso can be burned directly from the disc utility application.



EXAMPLE FOR WINDOWS COMPUTERS
The following procedure shows how to apply the prior steps for a computer running Windows. You can follow this example to create any of the HDMV, AVCHD, or DVDM options shown in the Blu-ray Players List.

1) Choosing a version: You may want to refer to the Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post to find which version your player likely supports. Consulting the specifications or manual for the Blu-ray player is another way to determine what version the device may play. Many newer Blu-ray players will list AVCHD support in their manual or specifications, and HDMV compatibility would generally be indicated if the player lists BD-RE or BD-R playback. For the AVCHD version you will need writable DVD media and a DVD burner. The HDMV version is primarily intended to be burned to BD-RE or BD-R media with a Blu-ray burner, but some players can play HDMV burned to DVD media with a DVD burner (DVDM option). For this example, let's say you own a PS3 and only have access to a DVD burner. Judging by the Blu-ray Players List the PS3 supports the AVCHD version, so in this example we will show how to create an AVCHD version disc that will play on the PS3.

2) Downloading a compressed file and manual: If your computer is running Windows, you can likely use the .exe download. Since the AVCHD version has been selected for this example, the AVCHD (.exe) link above in the Downloads area would allow you to begin downloading the compressed file. Usually a web browser will work for downloading, but if you encounter issues you may need to use software intended for downloading large files. Using a download manager that supports resuming (like Orbit Downloader) is one option to make sure you receive a complete file, and a download manager may also provide the fastest possible download speed. The downloads will take some time to finish, for example a 6 Mbps connection might take at least 15 minutes. At this time you should also download the Patterns Manual, to have some basic instructions for the disc.

3) Decompressing the download: Once you have downloaded the file for the option you selected, just double-click on it and you should get a window asking where to extract the file. Choose a location by clicking on the "..." button at the right, or using the written path displayed in the window (such as C:\\ in the image below). The location you choose requires a modern file system and must have about 4.4 GB of free space (See Download Note A). Once you have chosen a location, click the extract button. When the program is done decompressing, you will have a large .iso file in the directory you selected. If you are not presented with the following window after double-clicking on the .exe file, refer to Download Note B.


4) Burning a disc: We will use ImgBurn to create a disc in this example. On opening the program choose the Tools menu and go to Settings.


Switch to Page 2 and add check marks to Calculate MD5 Hash Values and Compare MD5 Hash Values.


Press ok after making the settings changes to return to the main screen, and select the Write image file to disc option.


Next under Source, click on the left yellow folder, and then select the .iso file from step 3.


Once you insert writable media in your burner, the program is ready to create the disc. Click the button in the bottom left, and the program will burn the image to disc. This will take some time to complete.


When ImgBurn finishes burning and checking the disc, review the ImgBurn Log for the Device MD5 and Image MD5. If the values match with the Iso MD5 listed for the version you downloaded, then the download, decompression, and burn were all successful. If the values from ImgBurn do not match those listed for the download files, then some part of the process may have encountered issues and you might want to try downloading again. If you plan to use ImgBurn for other tasks, you may want to uncheck the Calculate MD5 Hash Values and Compare MD5 Hash Values settings.




DOWNLOAD NOTES
A) The HDMV or AVCHD download will decompress to a file about 4.4 GB in size. Recent versions of Windows, Linux, and Mac all use default file systems that will work for decompression. FAT32 formatted hard disks do not work for decompression, because FAT32 has a smaller file size limit. In Windows Explorer you can right-click on a hard disk and select properties to see the file system. If your hard disks have been formatted as FAT32 you will need another location for the decompressed file. Flash media drives of 8 GB or larger will work for decompression, when formatted to a modern file system such as NTFS, HFS+, or ext2. If you have more than one optical disc drive, another option would be decompressing to DVD media.

B) In order for the .exe or .7z decompression to work, you must download the entire file. Using software intended for large file downloads may help, if you have issues using a web browser. One of the many download managers that support resuming downloads is a way to make sure you receive the complete file, and a download manager may also provide the fastest speed available for your current connection. If you live in the United States many public libraries provide high speed internet access suitable for downloading. Directly below the file sizes for the HDMV and AVCHD downloads are listed. You can use these sizes to check if you have downloaded the entire file. For example, in Windows Explorer if you right-click on a file and go to properties the size listed in bytes should match the following values.
- HDMV-2d.exe (498,619,363 bytes)
- HDMV-2d.7z (498,456,547 bytes)
- AVCHD-2d.exe (625,325,484 bytes)
- AVCHD-2d.7z (625,162,668 bytes)

C) If a disc would happen to be unable to play on an HD player that other people are able to use, our typical method of troubleshooting would be first to check that the player's firmware is current, make sure you have selected an appropriate version for your player, and then to try to eliminate disc or computer problems. Common suggestions would be to try a different disc type or brand, burn at a slower speed, or try burning from a different computer. You might also want to check the MD5 hash from the uncompressed .iso file or burned disc. If none of this helps and you would like further feedback on playback problems please list which version you downloaded, the software you are using for burning, and your HD player model.

D) MD5 Hashes can be used to check the integrity of the decompressed .iso file for HDMV and AVCHD versions. MD5summer is an example of a Windows program that can be used to create an MD5 sum. Some software solutions, such as ImgBurn, will also be able to provide an MD5 comparison for a burned disc. A description for using ImgBurn to check MD5 Hashes on a newly burned disc is included in the Example For Windows Computers.

E) Because of the UDF format used for HDMV and AVCHD versions, some computer operating systems like Windows XP will not be able to read a burned disc. The only thing that matters is if a compatible HD player can read the disc. Please do not consider a disc unplayable unless a Blu-ray player can not play it. Even if a computer cannot read the HDMV, AVCHD, or DVDM disc, a Blu-ray player may still be able to read the disc.

F) BD-R LTH Type media is not recommended for HDMV burning, unless you know that the equipment you use supports the discs. This Wikipedia entry reports the PS3 as able to read the discs, but generally BD-R LTH Type discs are not recommended due to possible compatibility issues with some Blu-ray players or burners.

G) LZMA (7-zip) compression is used instead of a more common format like .zip due to efficiency. During testing the download files have been substantially smaller using 7-zip for compression.



KNOWN ISSUES
1) While the majority of recent Blu-ray players can play at least one version, not every Blu-ray player will be able to play the downloads. The only way to support all Blu-ray players would be through Blu-ray replication, and the fees are prohibitive for the original purpose of this project.

2) No patterns are included for items such as audio synchronization, motion resolution, noise reduction, or 50% and 25% colors. At this time no further revisions are planned, yet users may contribute items to the project they consider possibly useful additions.

3) Panasonic players using the AVCHD version may find that the HDTV Calibration video lacks chapter skips and a popup menu. The top menu button on the remote should still return to the main menu, and fast forward or rewind should be able to move through the HDTV Calibration video. Some Panasonic players have been reported to be unable to output the AVCHD as 24p video. At the current time we are not aware of an alternate AVCHD authoring method to solve these reported issues on Panasonic players. The HDMV version burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner should include the chapter skips and a popup menu and be able to output 24p on the same Panasonic players.

4) TotalMedia Theatre 5.0.1.80 (November 17, 2010) cannot play the HDMV or AVCHD discs. TotalMedia Theatre 5.0.1.86 has been reported to correct the issue, and it can play the HDMV or AVCHD discs. TotalMedia Theatre 6.0.1.119 was able to play the AVCHD or HDMV from disc, but it was unable to play virtually mounted discs. TotalMeida Theatre has generally been capable of playing the HDMV image mounted with the latest version of Virtual CloneDrive, and some versions of the program can also play the HDMV folders from a hard disk.



REPLIES TO QUESTIONS
- Will AVS HD 709 play on the Xbox 360?
- How do I set a Playstation 3 to output standard video levels?
- Can I use this disc for adjusting controls that affect the shade of gray, such as white balance, gain, offset, or bias?
- Why might other calibration patterns, like Digital Video Essentials, result in a different brightness setting on some displays?
- How does video usually play back on a computer?
- Plasma: pattern size for measurements
- Will there be a future version with small windows for plasma measurements?
- I would like some different patterns. How do I create my own calibration disc?



RELATED LINKS
- Display Calibration - Part I - Basic Settings Guide
- Greyscale & Colour Calibration For Dummies - Measurements Guide
- Basic Guide to Color Calibration using a CMS - Measurements Guide
- HDTV Calibration 101: Part 1 - Segment from HD Nation
- HDTV Calibration Part 2: Brightness and Contrast - Segment from HD Nation
- HDTV Calibration Part 3: Color and Tint - Segment from HD Nation
- HDTV Calibration Part 4: Sharpness - Segment from HD Nation



ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
The AVS HD 709 patterns are offered free for personal use. As the authors, hwjohn and myself request any redistribution to retain the credits, which are included in the menus or as a text file in the MP4 version. This project started from input by dr1394 (W6RZ.net), including the program used to convert images. We would like to thank 3no, dr1394, GetGray (calibrate.tv), Imatest.com, J. Vincent, and WalVisions.com for allowing us to include their patterns. We appreciate Mathias Mahling (chokemaniac.net) for providing the original logo design. Thank you to Revision3 and HD Nation for allowing us to include the HDTV Calibration video. Thanks to Hank315 (HC Encoder) for the help, including a special build that was used for HD DVD Mpeg-2 encoding. Credit also goes to kchung for the original disc label layout. Some software that proved valuable includes 7-Zip, AVIsynth, BDedit, ImgBurn, MeGUI, multiAVCHD, and x264. Caramella font from dafont.com has been used in the project. Also thank you to the creators of ColorHCFR for the free calibration program that got the project started, CalMAN and ChromaPure for incentive to continue making changes, the AVS Forum for making the project possible, everyone that supplied feedback, and certainly the numerous others we tried to learn from in the process. If you would like to contribute to AVS HD 709, please support one of the projects that have helped us.



BLU-RAY PLAYERS LIST
Information specific to different Blu-ray player models will be listed below. Any players not listed simply indicates no one has replied about the player, and it is newer than the models available when the list was first compiled. Newer Blu-ray players can usually play HDMV burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner, and many current models are compatible with AVCHD. Only a few older model players are known to be unable to play any version, and the models are noted in the list. It is common for brands to often support similar playback across different models. If you purchase a newer player than the ones listed, you might first check to see what previous models have supported. For example we would expect newer Panasonic and Sony models to play HDMV or AVCHD based on support in previous models.

If you have access to a Blu-ray burner, the first choice is typically to download the HDMV version and burn it to BD-RE or BD-R media. The choice of HDMV on BD-RE or BD-R will have the best compatibility with the largest number of players, and it includes all the features available from this project. You may want to avoid BD-R LTH Type media when burning the HDMV version, because BD-R LTH Type media could be incompatible with some Blu-ray burners or players. For anyone with access to a Blu-ray burner, most often the recommendation is to burn the HDMV to BD-RE or BD-R media, but you may want to check the list below first for further information.

If you only have access to a DVD burner the choice becomes more complicated, because manufacturers do not all agree on a common format for HD video on DVD media. Many current players are AVCHD compatible and will play the AVCHD download, while other players do not support AVCHD and they may play HDMV from DVD media (DVDM listing). Typically players that support AVCHD will list compatibility somewhere in the manual, specifications, or they may even show the AVCHD logo on the player. The AVCHD version burned to DVD media is widely accepted by many newer players, and it will generally be compatible with the largest number of Blu-ray players when using DVD media. Primarily the DVDM option listed below is intended for DVD media playback when AVCHD is not supported by the player, such as some Denon and Magnavox models. For anyone that only has access to a DVD burner, the typical recommendation is to first check if the player can play AVCHD, yet the list below also includes an option for HDMV on DVD media (DVDM listing) and feedback from other users.

BLU-RAY BURNER:
HDMV - Indicates the HDMV version burned to BD-RE or BD-R media with a Blu-ray burner should play. Typically HDMV on BD-RE or BD-R will be compatible with more players than any other version.

DVD BURNER:
AVCHD - Indicates the AVCHD version burned to DVD media with a DVD burner should play. Overall AVCHD will be compatible with the largest number of players when using DVD media.
DVDM - Indicates the HDMV version burned to DVD media with a DVD burner should play. Some players lacking AVCHD support can use HDMV on DVD media, such as certain Denon, Magnavox, and Insignia models.

A question mark (?) below indicates the version might play, but currently no one has tested the player and replied. If a version name is missing for the model number, then the player has been reported as unable to play the version. Notes are provided for any additional comments about the player. If you test a Blu-ray player and have information to add, please reply so the list can be updated for other users.

ArcSoft TotalMedia
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM?
- See Known Issue #4

Corel WinDVD Pro 2010
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Cyberlink PowerDVD
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM?
- HDMV will also play with latest Virtual CloneDrive

Denon DBP-2010
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Denon DVD-1800BDCI
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Denon DVD-2500BTCI
- HDMV, DVDM

Denon DVD-3800BD
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Dune BD Prime
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

Insignia NS-BRDVD
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Insignia NS-2BRDVD
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Insignia NS-BDLIVE01
- HDMV, DVDM

Insignia NS-WBRDVD
- HDMV?

JVC XV-BP1
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

LG BH100
- Not expected to play any version

LG BH200
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

LG BD270
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

LG BD300
- HDMV, AVCHD

LG BD370
- HDMV?, DVDM?

LG BD390
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

LG BD550
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

LG BP530
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Loewe BluTech Vision
- Not expected to play any version

Magnavox NB500MG9
- HDMV, DVDM

Magnavox NB530MGX
- HDMV, DVDM

Memorex MVBD-2510
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Memorex MVBD-2511
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Microsoft Xbox One
- AVCHD

Olevia BDP-110
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

OPPO BDP-83
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM
- AVCHD will also play from USB thumb drive

OPPO BDP-93
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM
- AVCHD will also play from USB thumb drive

Panasonic DMP-BD10K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD30K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD35K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD50K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD55K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD60K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD65K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD80K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD85K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BDT100
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BDT210
- HDMV, AVCHD

Panasonic DMP-BDT310
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BDT350
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Philips BDP3020/F7
- HDMV, DVDM
- DVDM does not work with 1.026 firmware

Philips BDP7200
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Philips BDP7500B2
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

Philips BDP9000
- HDMV, AVCHD?, DVDM

Pioneer BDP-05FD
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-51FD
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX70A
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX71
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX80
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX91
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-94HD
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-320
- AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-C5900
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Samsung BD-C5500
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-C6500
- HDMV, DVDM

Samsung BD-C6800
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-C6900
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-P1000
- Not expected to play any version

Samsung BD-P1200
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Samsung BD-P1400
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-P1500
- HDMV?, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P1600
- HDMV, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P2500
- HDMV?, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P2550
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM
- Playback issue reported with movie frames and DVD media

Samsung BD-P3600
- HDMV, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P4600
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Samsung BD-UP5000
- HDMV?
- May not play any version

Sharp BD-HP20U
- Not expected to play any version

Sharp BD-HP21U
- Not expected to play any version

Sharp BD-HP24U
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Sony BDP-BX1
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S1
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S270
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S300
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S301
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S350
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S360
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S370
- HDMV, AVCHD

Sony BDP-S500
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S550
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S570
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S590
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM?

Sony BDP-S1000ES
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S5000ES
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-CX7000ES
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S6200
- HDVM, AVCHD, DVDM?

Sony PlayStation 3
- HDMV, AVCHD
- Use Square button for popups with the AVCHD

Splash PRO
- AVCHD
- Playback supported with version 1.4.1
 
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Originally Posted by alluringreality /forum/post/19427544


The patterns use a different authoring type from the rest of the disc. Video doesn't work. Images are used for the authoring, and considering how small the .m2ts files are I think that's how they appear as a stream. One difference is that each pattern appears as an individual file. My players have an issue with the original authoring, so the chapters and popup was edited with BDedit so that they work correctly on my players. Does the popup work to switch chapters? There is another way to author the section as a slideshow, but that does not seem to support popup menus to work like the rest of the disc. Hopefully someone else will comment on this one. One problem is that the AVCHD I had considered would also involve BDedit changes. Right now the project is up in the air on where I want to go with the issues encountered.

I had no luck with the pop-up menu. I never could get it to work even with the 1.3b version.
 
#2,403 ·

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Originally Posted by kjgarrison /forum/post/19425634


More data/confirmation of previous, mostly.


Panasonic DMP BD-60 result:


AVCHD to DVD: No. Just ejects the disk without any explanation


HDMV to DVD: No. Says "incompatible disk"

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I saw a poster (catmother) list the BD-60 as a "success" earlier for HDMV burned to BR. Could be the media. Mine is Sony DVD-R

The post on players lists DVDM ?, but I don't see a download for DVDM.

The HDMV was burned to a Memorex BD-R with an LG BluRay burner and that does indeed play on my BD-60.
 
#2,404 ·
Bummer just downloaded & burned AVCHD (.exe) version 1.3b only to find out version 2.0 hidden towards the end of the thread?

My 1.3b doesn't work on my htpc under tmt3, disc starts & stops continuously in an infinite loop without me seeing anything on the screen. I've tested in my blu-ray player and it works fine (after a very long startup time and lots of mechanical noises). Will version 2 work in my htpc?

Is this the best calibration disc available? I have dve hd version, avia dvd version plus several others but this looks better from my very short browse through the test patterns.
 
#2,405 ·

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Originally Posted by 720p /forum/post/19430393


Bummer just downloaded & burned AVCHD (.exe) version 1.3b only to find out version 2.0 hidden towards the end of the thread?

Yeah, the current layout lacks coherency. The Version 2 HDMV and MP4 have not had any reported issues, but my AVCHD plans for Version 2 didn't work out as intended. Right now the project does not have a clear direction to go, and generally the AVCHD is the version with the most interest since more people have DVD burners. I've been looking into AVCHD authoring again the past couple days, and a complete re-author looks like a lot of needless work after having spent a few months redeveloping the HDMV. Unfortunately the most logical way to solve the issue does not fit with the project's original intent.


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My 1.3b doesn't work on my htpc under tmt3, disc starts & stops continuously in an infinite loop without me seeing anything on the screen. I've tested in my blu-ray player and it works fine (after a very long startup time and lots of mechanical noises). Will version 2 work in my htpc?

Last time I looked at TotalMedia it seemed to be compatible with most anything. The notes on version 2 are more up to date. If you have a Blu-ray burner in the computer, the Version 2 HDMV is the recommended version. It can also be played using programs like Virtual CloneDrive.
 
#2,406 ·

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Originally Posted by kjgarrison /forum/post/19425634


HDMV to DVD: No. Says "incompatible disk"


The post on players lists DVDM ?, but I don't see a download for DVDM.

HDMV on DVD media is the listing for DVDM. Generally it's not very well supported by most players. The most compatible option is to burn HDMV to BD-RE or BD-R, but many more people have DVD burners than have Blu-ray burners.
 
#2,407 ·
alluringreality thank you for your reply.

I do have a blu-ray writer and will be downloading the HDMV version as suggested. Personally I wouldn't go into all that trouble for an AVCHD version since blu-ray writers are dirt cheap now and many laptops already come with them as standard. I will try it out in tmt3 and let you know although it should work since everything I've thrown at it did with the exception of today's AVCHD disk.

Just one question though that's been bugging me. The reason I downloaded the AVCHD version vs. the HDMV one was that it was ~2gb extracted vs. the ~25gb. Is the content and image quality the same between both versions and if yes why the huge difference in size?


P.S. I have tried virtual clone drive loading the 1.3b iso and the results are the same as if using the optical disk.
 
#2,408 ·

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Originally Posted by 720p /forum/post/19430985


The reason I downloaded the AVCHD version vs. the HDMV one was that it was ~2gb extracted vs. the ~25gb. Is the content and image quality the same between both versions and if yes why the huge difference in size?

Since the project was intended to include versions that play from DVD media, everything was limited by that consideration. Having a limit on disc size helped keep the downloads under 500 MB. If we targeted Blu-ray size then higher bit-rate video could be used, and more disc space, but downloads might be unrealistic.
 
#2,409 ·

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Originally Posted by alluringreality /forum/post/19431218


Since the project was intended to include versions that play from DVD media, everything was limited by that consideration.

I understand the constrains of a couple of years ago, as the consideration for the availability of burners and media, thus then was the best alternative. However, today there are very inexpensive BluRay burners, and media prices are well within reach for 25G media.

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Originally Posted by alluringreality /forum/post/19431218


Having a limit on disc size helped keep the downloads under 500 MB. If we targeted Blu-ray size then higher bit-rate video could be used, and more disc space, but downloads might be unrealistic.

Down load time related to size is no longer a big issue either. Now a days there are very few with a low rate (1.5MB/s) internet connection, and having to wait an hour or so for hi-bit rate video for those that are interested in such things is not unusual, thus having a disc that would take, even 2 to 3 hours to download at a higher bit rate will be desirable by many, heck I just downloaded a sucbasteve Demo Disc that is 41G and it took over 3 days to download, then another 40 min to unpacked and another hour to burn.


Nevertheless and regardless of which way you decide to go a big "Thank You" for letting the rest of us share in your project.
 
#2,410 ·

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Originally Posted by Bama29 /forum/post/19420499


Alluringreality,


I did a test run with the HDMV-2a.EXE posted above burned to a regular DVD +R.


The Panasonic DMP-85K gave a "This disk is not compatible" error and would not load.

+1. Interestingly, the disc works perfectly on my Samsung BD-P2500, but 1080/24p playback does have to be turned off (same for standard DVDs).
 
#2,411 ·

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Originally Posted by 720p /forum/post/19430985


alluringreality thank you for your reply.

I do have a blu-ray writer and will be downloading the HDMV version as suggested. Personally I wouldn't go into all that trouble for an AVCHD version since blu-ray writers are dirt cheap now and many laptops already come with them as standard. I will try it out in tmt3 and let you know although it should work since everything I've thrown at it did with the exception of today's AVCHD disk.

----- SNIP -----

I'm sorry, but I can't find a single BD writer, under $100 (and the good ones are over $200), at either common on-line vendors or at my local computer stores. Laptops, these days, come with BD players, but not BD writers.


However, dual layer, DVD writers are common place. I have 5 computers (3 laptops & 2 desktops), and all have DVD-DL writers and only my newest laptop has a BD player (DVD-DL writer).

alluringreality -- I do have a question. Is there a reason you haven't chosen to go with the AVCHD version with a Dual-Layer option? That would double the allowable disc size, up to 8.5GB file size. Also, DVD-DL burners are a lot more common than BD burners (as well as being lower cost).
 
#2,412 ·
alluringreality -- I went back to the previous page and read your post #2377. That answers my question, since you are concentrating on HDMV authoring. I guess I will have to invest in a BD writer for my new desktop PC build.
 
#2,413 ·
I seem to be completely unable to make this version work on my Mac. I have downloaded from both the main source and mirror and cannot uncompress the ISO. THe process either fails and produces nothing or gives and error message and produces an ISO that will not mount/burn. I have used both Stuffit and The Unarchiver (which is what I used on previous versions with no problems).


Is there any way to get just the ISO hosted for the HDMV version? I can't imagine that compression actually saves much space since a large portion of the ISO is video/images...
 
#2,414 ·

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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe /forum/post/19439243

alluringreality -- I went back to the previous page and read your post #2377. That answers my question, since you are concentrating on HDMV authoring. I guess I will have to invest in a BD writer for my new desktop PC build.


Getting close to $100 though.

Last week my local Fry's ad showed an LG 10x internal Blu-Ray writer for $120.


This model is in my main desktop and works well.

It is also a multi reader/writer and even reads and writes DVD RAM discs used by my old Panasonic recorder.
 
#2,415 ·

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Originally Posted by CaptainSKA /forum/post/19439819


I seem to be completely unable to make this version work on my Mac. I have downloaded from both the main source and mirror and cannot uncompress the ISO. THe process either fails and produces nothing or gives and error message and produces an ISO that will not mount/burn. I have used both Stuffit and The Unarchiver (which is what I used on previous versions with no problems).

Try downloading the 7za Command Line version for the Mac. You can then go into the Unix Terminal utility and extract the file. Put 7za and the file you want to extract in your home directory. Start the Unix Terminal Utility. The extraction command is ./7za e AVCHD-2a.7z. Move the ISO to the disc utility and burn.
 
#2,416 ·
AVCHD-2a.exe


Burned it to a Verbatim blank DVD used imgburn. The disc plays fine in my Pioneer BD-09. I use I1Pro and Calman 3.4 for my Pioneer 141. Ran a 11 point gray-scale, measurements where off comparing to DVE HD Basics and AVC HD for Blu Ray. The gray-scale came out all wrong using AVCHD-2a.


Note, the windows on the new AVCHD are smaller and because the strap on the I1Pro will not reach down all the way so I can center my I1Pro, but still the I1Pro lens does set about 2/3 from the bottom in the window.


UPDATE

Installed Calman 3.7, lowered my I1Pro, did a isf calibration, now all seems to work well with AVCHD-2a.

Ran a little test video from DVE and everything looked good.


ss
 
#2,417 ·
I am using PS3 with avshd and have some issues with the msic patterns convergence section. I can't seem to get into it "easily"... I click it and nothing will happen on the screen for a long time (at least 1 to 2min), but then it will display. Same with all other patterns in that section....seems like it is taking way longer to load....Did anyone have this problem?
 
#2,418 ·

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Originally Posted by fight4yu /forum/post/19444363


I am using PS3 with avshd and have some issues with the msic patterns convergence section.


Did anyone have this problem?

Previously reported at
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post19426531 but the estimate for length of time suggests it could be related to the media. No one has commented on Blu-ray writable playback for the PS3.
 
#2,419 ·

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Originally Posted by sillysally /forum/post/19443669


Ran a 11 point gray-scale, measurements where off comparing to DVE HD Basics and AVC HD for Blu Ray. The gray-scale came out all wrong using AVCHD-2a.

I would really prefer to see measurements of some sort, because I don't know what all wrong means. To this point there have never been reports of inconsistent grayscale. The video has been checked with a reference decoder, and prior versions have been compared against the Digital Video Essentials BD on my electronics.


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Note, the windows on the new AVCHD are smaller

All the video has been recoded and chapter lengths have changed from the AVCHD in the first post, but otherwise the windows generally remain unchanged. The windows are the same size as the AVCHD in the first post.


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the strap on the I1Pro will not reach down all the way so I can center my I1Pro, but still the I1Pro lens does set about 2/3 from the bottom in the window.

For a plasma display the location shouldn't necessarily come into play, as long as the meter is flush to the screen and it remains in the same spot for all measurements. Plasma may vary depending on APL (which will not match DVE), and otherwise I have no idea to explain this report. Based on this and other reported issues, I will probably pull the patched HDMV (currently labeled AVCHD-2a).
 
#2,420 ·
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If none of this helps and you would like further feedback on playback problems, it would be worthwhile to list which version you downloaded, the software you are using for burning, and your HD player model.
I have a Toshiba DR430KU and copied the AVS HD-DVD (v1.3) file using ImgBurn to a DVD which has successfully been used by the DVD player before (JVC 4x DVD-R). The HD-DVD .iso file is not able to be read by the DVD player. All suggestions are welcome.
 
#2,421 ·
I give up . What happened to the v2 download link ? It's missing in the line where it was two days ago ?


Scott........
 
#2,424 ·

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Originally Posted by LeoC4 /forum/post/19447222


I have a Toshiba DR430KU

This appears to be a DVD player. DVD players are generally not expected to play any HD video. HD DVD was a different format that essentially died last year. It will eventually be removed from the first post to avoid any confusion.
 
#2,425 ·

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Originally Posted by Scott_R_K /forum/post/19447602


AVCHD V2a . Has this been pulled ?

Yes the patched HDMV that was labeled AVCHD-2a has been removed. There have been a number of unintended issues reported with the version, and I considered http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post19445218 too serious for leaving the download links available.
 
#2,426 ·

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Originally Posted by alluringreality /forum/post/19445218


I would really prefer to see measurements of some sort, because I don't know what all wrong means. To this point there have never been reports of inconsistent grayscale. The video has been checked with a reference decoder, and prior versions have been compared against the Digital Video Essentials BD on my electronics.


All the video has been recoded and chapter lengths have changed from the AVCHD in the first post, but otherwise the windows generally remain unchanged. The windows are the same size as the AVCHD in the first post.





For a plasma display the location shouldn't necessarily come into play, as long as the meter is flush to the screen and it remains in the same spot for all measurements. Plasma may vary depending on APL (which will not match DVE), and otherwise I have no idea to explain this report. Based on this and other reported issues, I will probably pull the patched HDMV (currently labeled AVCHD-2a).

As I said in my update post all is working very well. Don't know why I had the problem with my I1Pro, but I did run the X-Rite tests, and updated Calman. Probably Calman 3.4 was causing the problem with the gray-scale.


Thank you for all your hard work, I do really like the new AVC-2a. Work flow is very nice, menu is eraser to navigate,

and from what I am seeing both gray and color patterns work very well.


Peter.
 
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