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AVS HD 709 - Blu-ray & MP4 Calibration

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INTRODUCTION
This project aims to provide a free set of calibration patterns for high definition (HD) video players. You will find downloads here to create discs for Blu-ray and AVCHD players, a version with MP4 video for computers or other compatible devices, and a Patterns Manual with some basic instructions. Users can burn the downloads to DVD media for some applications, but all of the download versions are intended only for HD players. These calibration patterns will not play on standard DVD players, and they are not expected to calibrate for Rec. 601 video used in commercial DVDs. The AVS HD 709 patterns are meant only to calibrate for Rec. 709 encoded HD video, such as commercial Blu-rays.

Primarily we intend to offer HD video patterns for calibrating digital displays, such as current LCD, LED, Plasma, and DLP models. This project does not address analog display (CRT) or audio calibration, which can be found on other sources such as Digital Video Essentials or Avia. The patterns provided have been divided into sections for different tasks. The Blu-ray related discs allow you to select sections from menus, and you can navigate the video clips in each section by chapter skipping. The Basic Settings and Miscellaneous Patterns primarily focus on setting user controls for your electronics with no test equipment, except possibly a color filter. The HDTV Calibration video by HD Nation in the HDMV and AVCHD versions can give new users some information on the most common display settings, or the Related Links can take MP4 users to the online episodes. The remaining sections are meant for taking measurements from the display, with a colorimeter or spectroradiometer, using software like ColorHCFR, CalMAN, or ChromaPure. Further details for using the downloads to calibrate your digital display are covered in the Patterns Manual, and everyone is encouraged to download a copy of the basic instructions for using the patterns.



DOWNLOADS Updated November 30, 2010
Directly below you will find the project downloads. The HDMV and AVCHD versions are intended for playback on Blu-ray players, the MP4 version is compatible with many HD media players, and a Patterns Manual is included with recommendations for using the patterns. Following the downloads an area titled Steps To Use The Downloads explains the general process to create a playable disc. A more specific procedure is given under Example For Windows Computers to create a disc for Blu-ray players. The Download Notes area simply includes some additional details, such as general system requirements and troubleshooting information. For anyone that wants to create a disc for a Blu-ray player, you may want to start with the Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post, to determine if you should download the HDMV or AVCHD version.

HDMV (.exe) or HDMV (.7z) - See Download Note A
Iso MD5: ad5006398671a54f96c314a3425621b0 - See Download Note D
Plays on: Most Blu-ray players from BD-RE or BD-R media. See the Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post for more information on compatibility.
Burn to: BD-RE or BD-R media with a Blu-ray burner.
Note: This is a Blu-ray format, and it is primarily intended for BD-RE or BD-R media. If you only have access to a DVD burner, please check your player for AVCHD compatibility first. Some Blu-ray players do not support AVCHD and can play this version if burned to DVD media with a DVD burner, which will be listed as the DVDM option in the Blu-ray Players List.
Includes: All content and features available from AVS HD 709, as shown in the Patterns Manual.

AVCHD (.exe) or AVCHD (.7z) - See Download Note A
Iso MD5: 654920d1f3f1182423ecfbb75ff52263 - See Download Note D
Plays on: Many AVCHD compatible Blu-ray players. The Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post includes more information to determine if your Blu-ray player supports this download.
Burn to: DVD writable media with a DVD burner.
Note: When using DVD media some players will only be able to play either the AVCHD or HDMV, and the other version will not work from DVD media. For example the PS3 can only play the AVCHD from DVD media, and some Samsung models also only play one version version from DVD media. Technically the AVCHD includes extended information and omits the AUXDATA, BDJO, JAR, and CERTIFICATE folders, which can affect playback from DVD media on some players.
Includes: Most content available from AVS HD 709. Refer to the Patterns Manual for more information.
Not Included: Some Misc. Patterns, such as the Mpeg2 video from dr1394, and the top navigation selections from the HDMV menus.

MP4 (.exe) or MP4 (.7z)
Plays on: Many MPEG-4 AVC or H.264 video players. For example computer video players, or the Xbox 360 after an online update. See the player specifications for types of video supported.
Media: Depends on player, for example the Xbox 360 can play files from DVD media.
Includes: Individual AVC video test clips in an MP4 container. Limitations are listed in the next line, and the Patterns Manual includes further details.
Not Included: Menus and navigation features, the HDTV Calibration video from HD Nation (see Related Links), or Misc. Patterns Mpeg2 video from dr1394.

PATTERNS MANUAL (.pdf)
Note: Regardless which of the above versions you choose, please download the PDF document for general information about the patterns and recommendations on how to use the video sections. If you require further information about taking measurements, please see the documentation for the software you are using or refer to the Related Links area of this post. The pictures included in the Patterns Manual come from the HDMV version, and the AVCHD or MP4 version will not include a few features as commented above with the downloads.

ALTERNATE DOWNLOAD LINKS
Note: If you happen to encounter any issues downloading from the prior links, the files are also available at http://W6RZ.net/



STEPS TO USE THE DOWNLOADS
1) Choose a version: Decide on either the HDMV, AVCHD, or MP4 version depending on what HD player you want to use. HDMV will be compatible with the largest number of Blu-ray players if burned to BD-RE or BD-R media, so if you have access to a Blu-ray burner typically you would choose the HDMV version. There are many Blu-ray players today that are AVCHD compatible, so for people that want to calibrate from a Blu-ray player and only have a DVD burner the AVCHD would often be the version to choose. Burning HDMV to DVD media will not be as widely compatible as either of the prior choices, but if you only have access to a DVD burner it may work for a few Blu-ray players that are not AVCHD compatible. The Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post gives more information on how to select a version for your Blu-ray player. The MP4 version is intended for applications other than calibration with a Blu-ray player, such as some digital media players that can play AVC video. In any case your player must be able to play true high definition video, such as a Blu-ray or HD media player. None of the versions will work on standard DVD players, or upconverting DVD players, because those players cannot play actual HD video.

2) Download a compressed file and manual: Select either the .exe or .7z file to download, according to the computer operating system you are using. The .exe will work on Windows. The .7z is not system-specific, so it will work with Windows, Linux, or Mac with additional software. The HDMV or AVCHD can usually be downloaded with web browsers. Using a download manager that supports resuming (like Orbit Downloader) is another option to make sure you receive a complete file, and a download manager may also provide the fastest possible download speed. The downloads will take some time to finish, especially the HDMV or AVCHD version. How long the downloads take will depend on various factors, but a 6 Mbps connection might take at least 15 minutes. At this time, please also download the Patterns Manual, for some basic details on how to use the patterns.

3) Decompress the download: If you downloaded the .exe, Windows should decompress the file by double-clicking on it. There have been a few reports of the .exe failing to work, so if the .exe happens to fail on your Windows system you might instead try the .7z version. For the .7z, you will also need the free 7-zip software to decompress or extract the file. Here is a description for Mac, or Rucksack was also suggested for .7z decompression on Mac. The decompressed HDMV or AVCHD file requires approximately 4.4 GB of free space on a modern file system (See Download Note A). The MP4 download will decompress to video files and folders. If you happen to run into issues with this step, it could be due to an incomplete download, so please refer to Download Note B.

4) Burn a disc: The HDMV or AVCHD requires you to burn a disc after decompressing the downloaded file. This step does not necessarily apply to the MP4 version, but for the Xbox 360 you can simply burn the files to a writable DVD. The AVCHD version is intended to be burned to DVD media with a DVD burner. HDMV is intended to be burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner, but there are a few players that are not AVCHD compatible and can play HDMV if burned to DVD media with a DVD burner (DVDM option). Our recommendation is to use ImgBurn as shown below in the Example For Windows Computers for burning .iso files to disc. Windows Vista Service Pack 2 and Windows 7 or 8 also allow you to burn an .iso file to disc by right-clicking on the file from Windows Explorer, or this link gives step by step instructions for burning an .iso image with a number of Windows programs. On Mac an .iso can be burned directly from the disc utility application.



EXAMPLE FOR WINDOWS COMPUTERS
The following procedure shows how to apply the prior steps for a computer running Windows. You can follow this example to create any of the HDMV, AVCHD, or DVDM options shown in the Blu-ray Players List.

1) Choosing a version: You may want to refer to the Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post to find which version your player likely supports. Consulting the specifications or manual for the Blu-ray player is another way to determine what version the device may play. Many newer Blu-ray players will list AVCHD support in their manual or specifications, and HDMV compatibility would generally be indicated if the player lists BD-RE or BD-R playback. For the AVCHD version you will need writable DVD media and a DVD burner. The HDMV version is primarily intended to be burned to BD-RE or BD-R media with a Blu-ray burner, but some players can play HDMV burned to DVD media with a DVD burner (DVDM option). For this example, let's say you own a PS3 and only have access to a DVD burner. Judging by the Blu-ray Players List the PS3 supports the AVCHD version, so in this example we will show how to create an AVCHD version disc that will play on the PS3.

2) Downloading a compressed file and manual: If your computer is running Windows, you can likely use the .exe download. Since the AVCHD version has been selected for this example, the AVCHD (.exe) link above in the Downloads area would allow you to begin downloading the compressed file. Usually a web browser will work for downloading, but if you encounter issues you may need to use software intended for downloading large files. Using a download manager that supports resuming (like Orbit Downloader) is one option to make sure you receive a complete file, and a download manager may also provide the fastest possible download speed. The downloads will take some time to finish, for example a 6 Mbps connection might take at least 15 minutes. At this time you should also download the Patterns Manual, to have some basic instructions for the disc.

3) Decompressing the download: Once you have downloaded the file for the option you selected, just double-click on it and you should get a window asking where to extract the file. Choose a location by clicking on the "..." button at the right, or using the written path displayed in the window (such as C:\\ in the image below). The location you choose requires a modern file system and must have about 4.4 GB of free space (See Download Note A). Once you have chosen a location, click the extract button. When the program is done decompressing, you will have a large .iso file in the directory you selected. If you are not presented with the following window after double-clicking on the .exe file, refer to Download Note B.


4) Burning a disc: We will use ImgBurn to create a disc in this example. On opening the program choose the Tools menu and go to Settings.


Switch to Page 2 and add check marks to Calculate MD5 Hash Values and Compare MD5 Hash Values.


Press ok after making the settings changes to return to the main screen, and select the Write image file to disc option.


Next under Source, click on the left yellow folder, and then select the .iso file from step 3.


Once you insert writable media in your burner, the program is ready to create the disc. Click the button in the bottom left, and the program will burn the image to disc. This will take some time to complete.


When ImgBurn finishes burning and checking the disc, review the ImgBurn Log for the Device MD5 and Image MD5. If the values match with the Iso MD5 listed for the version you downloaded, then the download, decompression, and burn were all successful. If the values from ImgBurn do not match those listed for the download files, then some part of the process may have encountered issues and you might want to try downloading again. If you plan to use ImgBurn for other tasks, you may want to uncheck the Calculate MD5 Hash Values and Compare MD5 Hash Values settings.




DOWNLOAD NOTES
A) The HDMV or AVCHD download will decompress to a file about 4.4 GB in size. Recent versions of Windows, Linux, and Mac all use default file systems that will work for decompression. FAT32 formatted hard disks do not work for decompression, because FAT32 has a smaller file size limit. In Windows Explorer you can right-click on a hard disk and select properties to see the file system. If your hard disks have been formatted as FAT32 you will need another location for the decompressed file. Flash media drives of 8 GB or larger will work for decompression, when formatted to a modern file system such as NTFS, HFS+, or ext2. If you have more than one optical disc drive, another option would be decompressing to DVD media.

B) In order for the .exe or .7z decompression to work, you must download the entire file. Using software intended for large file downloads may help, if you have issues using a web browser. One of the many download managers that support resuming downloads is a way to make sure you receive the complete file, and a download manager may also provide the fastest speed available for your current connection. If you live in the United States many public libraries provide high speed internet access suitable for downloading. Directly below the file sizes for the HDMV and AVCHD downloads are listed. You can use these sizes to check if you have downloaded the entire file. For example, in Windows Explorer if you right-click on a file and go to properties the size listed in bytes should match the following values.
- HDMV-2d.exe (498,619,363 bytes)
- HDMV-2d.7z (498,456,547 bytes)
- AVCHD-2d.exe (625,325,484 bytes)
- AVCHD-2d.7z (625,162,668 bytes)

C) If a disc would happen to be unable to play on an HD player that other people are able to use, our typical method of troubleshooting would be first to check that the player's firmware is current, make sure you have selected an appropriate version for your player, and then to try to eliminate disc or computer problems. Common suggestions would be to try a different disc type or brand, burn at a slower speed, or try burning from a different computer. You might also want to check the MD5 hash from the uncompressed .iso file or burned disc. If none of this helps and you would like further feedback on playback problems please list which version you downloaded, the software you are using for burning, and your HD player model.

D) MD5 Hashes can be used to check the integrity of the decompressed .iso file for HDMV and AVCHD versions. MD5summer is an example of a Windows program that can be used to create an MD5 sum. Some software solutions, such as ImgBurn, will also be able to provide an MD5 comparison for a burned disc. A description for using ImgBurn to check MD5 Hashes on a newly burned disc is included in the Example For Windows Computers.

E) Because of the UDF format used for HDMV and AVCHD versions, some computer operating systems like Windows XP will not be able to read a burned disc. The only thing that matters is if a compatible HD player can read the disc. Please do not consider a disc unplayable unless a Blu-ray player can not play it. Even if a computer cannot read the HDMV, AVCHD, or DVDM disc, a Blu-ray player may still be able to read the disc.

F) BD-R LTH Type media is not recommended for HDMV burning, unless you know that the equipment you use supports the discs. This Wikipedia entry reports the PS3 as able to read the discs, but generally BD-R LTH Type discs are not recommended due to possible compatibility issues with some Blu-ray players or burners.

G) LZMA (7-zip) compression is used instead of a more common format like .zip due to efficiency. During testing the download files have been substantially smaller using 7-zip for compression.



KNOWN ISSUES
1) While the majority of recent Blu-ray players can play at least one version, not every Blu-ray player will be able to play the downloads. The only way to support all Blu-ray players would be through Blu-ray replication, and the fees are prohibitive for the original purpose of this project.

2) No patterns are included for items such as audio synchronization, motion resolution, noise reduction, or 50% and 25% colors. At this time no further revisions are planned, yet users may contribute items to the project they consider possibly useful additions.

3) Panasonic players using the AVCHD version may find that the HDTV Calibration video lacks chapter skips and a popup menu. The top menu button on the remote should still return to the main menu, and fast forward or rewind should be able to move through the HDTV Calibration video. Some Panasonic players have been reported to be unable to output the AVCHD as 24p video. At the current time we are not aware of an alternate AVCHD authoring method to solve these reported issues on Panasonic players. The HDMV version burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner should include the chapter skips and a popup menu and be able to output 24p on the same Panasonic players.

4) TotalMedia Theatre 5.0.1.80 (November 17, 2010) cannot play the HDMV or AVCHD discs. TotalMedia Theatre 5.0.1.86 has been reported to correct the issue, and it can play the HDMV or AVCHD discs. TotalMedia Theatre 6.0.1.119 was able to play the AVCHD or HDMV from disc, but it was unable to play virtually mounted discs. TotalMeida Theatre has generally been capable of playing the HDMV image mounted with the latest version of Virtual CloneDrive, and some versions of the program can also play the HDMV folders from a hard disk.



REPLIES TO QUESTIONS
- Will AVS HD 709 play on the Xbox 360?
- How do I set a Playstation 3 to output standard video levels?
- Can I use this disc for adjusting controls that affect the shade of gray, such as white balance, gain, offset, or bias?
- Why might other calibration patterns, like Digital Video Essentials, result in a different brightness setting on some displays?
- How does video usually play back on a computer?
- Plasma: pattern size for measurements
- Will there be a future version with small windows for plasma measurements?
- I would like some different patterns. How do I create my own calibration disc?



RELATED LINKS
- Display Calibration - Part I - Basic Settings Guide
- Greyscale & Colour Calibration For Dummies - Measurements Guide
- Basic Guide to Color Calibration using a CMS - Measurements Guide
- HDTV Calibration 101: Part 1 - Segment from HD Nation
- HDTV Calibration Part 2: Brightness and Contrast - Segment from HD Nation
- HDTV Calibration Part 3: Color and Tint - Segment from HD Nation
- HDTV Calibration Part 4: Sharpness - Segment from HD Nation



ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
The AVS HD 709 patterns are offered free for personal use. As the authors, hwjohn and myself request any redistribution to retain the credits, which are included in the menus or as a text file in the MP4 version. This project started from input by dr1394 (W6RZ.net), including the program used to convert images. We would like to thank 3no, dr1394, GetGray (calibrate.tv), Imatest.com, J. Vincent, and WalVisions.com for allowing us to include their patterns. We appreciate Mathias Mahling (chokemaniac.net) for providing the original logo design. Thank you to Revision3 and HD Nation for allowing us to include the HDTV Calibration video. Thanks to Hank315 (HC Encoder) for the help, including a special build that was used for HD DVD Mpeg-2 encoding. Credit also goes to kchung for the original disc label layout. Some software that proved valuable includes 7-Zip, AVIsynth, BDedit, ImgBurn, MeGUI, multiAVCHD, and x264. Caramella font from dafont.com has been used in the project. Also thank you to the creators of ColorHCFR for the free calibration program that got the project started, CalMAN and ChromaPure for incentive to continue making changes, the AVS Forum for making the project possible, everyone that supplied feedback, and certainly the numerous others we tried to learn from in the process. If you would like to contribute to AVS HD 709, please support one of the projects that have helped us.



BLU-RAY PLAYERS LIST
Information specific to different Blu-ray player models will be listed below. Any players not listed simply indicates no one has replied about the player, and it is newer than the models available when the list was first compiled. Newer Blu-ray players can usually play HDMV burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner, and many current models are compatible with AVCHD. Only a few older model players are known to be unable to play any version, and the models are noted in the list. It is common for brands to often support similar playback across different models. If you purchase a newer player than the ones listed, you might first check to see what previous models have supported. For example we would expect newer Panasonic and Sony models to play HDMV or AVCHD based on support in previous models.

If you have access to a Blu-ray burner, the first choice is typically to download the HDMV version and burn it to BD-RE or BD-R media. The choice of HDMV on BD-RE or BD-R will have the best compatibility with the largest number of players, and it includes all the features available from this project. You may want to avoid BD-R LTH Type media when burning the HDMV version, because BD-R LTH Type media could be incompatible with some Blu-ray burners or players. For anyone with access to a Blu-ray burner, most often the recommendation is to burn the HDMV to BD-RE or BD-R media, but you may want to check the list below first for further information.

If you only have access to a DVD burner the choice becomes more complicated, because manufacturers do not all agree on a common format for HD video on DVD media. Many current players are AVCHD compatible and will play the AVCHD download, while other players do not support AVCHD and they may play HDMV from DVD media (DVDM listing). Typically players that support AVCHD will list compatibility somewhere in the manual, specifications, or they may even show the AVCHD logo on the player. The AVCHD version burned to DVD media is widely accepted by many newer players, and it will generally be compatible with the largest number of Blu-ray players when using DVD media. Primarily the DVDM option listed below is intended for DVD media playback when AVCHD is not supported by the player, such as some Denon and Magnavox models. For anyone that only has access to a DVD burner, the typical recommendation is to first check if the player can play AVCHD, yet the list below also includes an option for HDMV on DVD media (DVDM listing) and feedback from other users.

BLU-RAY BURNER:
HDMV - Indicates the HDMV version burned to BD-RE or BD-R media with a Blu-ray burner should play. Typically HDMV on BD-RE or BD-R will be compatible with more players than any other version.

DVD BURNER:
AVCHD - Indicates the AVCHD version burned to DVD media with a DVD burner should play. Overall AVCHD will be compatible with the largest number of players when using DVD media.
DVDM - Indicates the HDMV version burned to DVD media with a DVD burner should play. Some players lacking AVCHD support can use HDMV on DVD media, such as certain Denon, Magnavox, and Insignia models.

A question mark (?) below indicates the version might play, but currently no one has tested the player and replied. If a version name is missing for the model number, then the player has been reported as unable to play the version. Notes are provided for any additional comments about the player. If you test a Blu-ray player and have information to add, please reply so the list can be updated for other users.

ArcSoft TotalMedia
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM?
- See Known Issue #4

Corel WinDVD Pro 2010
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Cyberlink PowerDVD
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM?
- HDMV will also play with latest Virtual CloneDrive

Denon DBP-2010
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Denon DVD-1800BDCI
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Denon DVD-2500BTCI
- HDMV, DVDM

Denon DVD-3800BD
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Dune BD Prime
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

Insignia NS-BRDVD
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Insignia NS-2BRDVD
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Insignia NS-BDLIVE01
- HDMV, DVDM

Insignia NS-WBRDVD
- HDMV?

JVC XV-BP1
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

LG BH100
- Not expected to play any version

LG BH200
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

LG BD270
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

LG BD300
- HDMV, AVCHD

LG BD370
- HDMV?, DVDM?

LG BD390
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

LG BD550
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

LG BP530
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Loewe BluTech Vision
- Not expected to play any version

Magnavox NB500MG9
- HDMV, DVDM

Magnavox NB530MGX
- HDMV, DVDM

Memorex MVBD-2510
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Memorex MVBD-2511
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Microsoft Xbox One
- AVCHD

Olevia BDP-110
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

OPPO BDP-83
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM
- AVCHD will also play from USB thumb drive

OPPO BDP-93
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM
- AVCHD will also play from USB thumb drive

Panasonic DMP-BD10K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD30K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD35K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD50K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD55K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD60K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD65K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD80K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD85K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BDT100
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BDT210
- HDMV, AVCHD

Panasonic DMP-BDT310
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BDT350
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Philips BDP3020/F7
- HDMV, DVDM
- DVDM does not work with 1.026 firmware

Philips BDP7200
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Philips BDP7500B2
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

Philips BDP9000
- HDMV, AVCHD?, DVDM

Pioneer BDP-05FD
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-51FD
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX70A
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX71
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX80
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX91
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-94HD
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-320
- AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-C5900
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Samsung BD-C5500
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-C6500
- HDMV, DVDM

Samsung BD-C6800
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-C6900
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-P1000
- Not expected to play any version

Samsung BD-P1200
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Samsung BD-P1400
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-P1500
- HDMV?, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P1600
- HDMV, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P2500
- HDMV?, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P2550
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM
- Playback issue reported with movie frames and DVD media

Samsung BD-P3600
- HDMV, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P4600
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Samsung BD-UP5000
- HDMV?
- May not play any version

Sharp BD-HP20U
- Not expected to play any version

Sharp BD-HP21U
- Not expected to play any version

Sharp BD-HP24U
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Sony BDP-BX1
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S1
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S270
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S300
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S301
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S350
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S360
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S370
- HDMV, AVCHD

Sony BDP-S500
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S550
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S570
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S590
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM?

Sony BDP-S1000ES
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S5000ES
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-CX7000ES
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S6200
- HDVM, AVCHD, DVDM?

Sony PlayStation 3
- HDMV, AVCHD
- Use Square button for popups with the AVCHD

Splash PRO
- AVCHD
- Playback supported with version 1.4.1
 
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With my AE3000 projector, was I wrong to set the colour control using 21% of the 100 IRE white 'Y' reading using a 100% red colour bar, due to the dynamic iris? I didn't have the AVS709 disc at the time, so just used the colour bars on DVE BluRay (in fact they were 75%, but I still use 21% of the 'Y' value) and had to set the colour control quite a long way down.


Since this adjustment every film seems desaturated, though I think 'JarHead' is meant to look like that anyway, which just happened to be the first film I watched. Some others I tried seemed a bit washed out too. Maybe it's just that I'm not used to the 'correct' setting or should I readjust the colour (and tint) settings with the dynamic iris 'OFF'?
 
#1,178 ·

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Originally Posted by alluringreality /forum/post/15456740


There are a number of things that could come into play, such as how the meter will generally be less accurate at lower light levels, but I don't have enough information to comment any further. I know for the SXRDs that professional calibrators have commented that they generally set the iris to the highest light output for taking measurements.

Unfortunately the iris on the 835 is not adjustable in any way. I think i may recalibrate using the apl windows for grayscale and see how it looks.
 
#1,179 ·

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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S /forum/post/15457554


With my AE3000 projector, was I wrong to set the colour control using 21% of the 100 IRE white 'Y' reading using a 100% red colour bar, due to the dynamic iris?

I'm confused, how did you measure a color bar pattern on a front projection image? The only ways I can think of doing that would have a number of issues. The APL would remain constant for the pattern, so the iris would never change, but I can't say the measurements would necessarily be relative to each other because I really doubt the image would measure uniformly. Personally I would either just use a color filter or else take the measurements a different way, because I can't think of any possible way that procedure wouldn't have issues.
 
#1,180 ·
I put up the colour bars from DVE that have a white 75% on the left and the 75% red is towards the right. I used the lens shift to move the red bar across to land on the sensor after measuring the 'Y' value for the white. As you say there could be uniformity issues, so now I have the AVS 709 disc I could use the full frame 100% white and red patterns, but I will compare results with the iris on and off, with the reading taken in the middle of the screen. My PJ does seem to have good uniformity, but there may be differences across the screen that the sensor picks up, though my eyes don't.
 
#1,181 ·

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Originally Posted by alluringreality /forum/post/15456662


My question would be, what are you calibrating it for? I mean, what does he watch that he wants to calibrate? If he watches DVDs from the X360, then get a DVD calibration disk. If you're trying to calibrate for games, I'm not convinced there's really a way to do that.

Ideally I'd like to calibrate it for viewing general satellite TV, watching DVD's and gaming via the 360. I'm aware however that doing calibration via the 360 will only calibrate on this input however there's no other way to calibrate for watching normal TV without paying a professional.


I'm trying to do him a favour and get him a better quality image without him having to resort to the usual blind adjustments that the majority of people make.
 
#1,182 ·
Hi,


Could You make all the test frames and sequences in 24p instand of 60i ?


Indeed, I calibrate several material and particulary Benq W5000 and W2000 with the last firmwire. In these models, memories for color, white, black, xyY are different depending on the input signal (1080/24p - 1080/60i).


So when I calibrate the projector with your Disc, I can only ajust in 1080/60i.

But all movies are encoded 24p. So I've bad color,....


Thanks for the job ! It's the best calibration Disc



Jonathan FILLIUNG


PS : Sorry for my poor English
 
#1,183 ·

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Originally Posted by mparter /forum/post/15461071


Ideally I'd like to calibrate it for viewing general satellite TV, watching DVD's and gaming via the 360.

My point was mainly that I think it's probably possible to stream to the x360, but I don't use mine for that and if he's not doing that then I don't see a reason to try that route. Since you want to calibrate for DVD, I would say to set the player to video levels and just use a DVD. Some libraries may have DVE or Avia if you live in a big enough city, there's online rental like netflix, or there's the disk at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852536
 
#1,184 ·

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Originally Posted by jorka57 /forum/post/15461467


Could You make all the test frames and sequences in 24p instand of 60i ?

The current versions are all 24p video (AVCHD/BDMV menus are interlaced). Spectracal.com still has an old 60i version, but they do link back to this page. I haven't asked to have the old version taken down because it's authored differently than the next version and it might be useful for testing if there are any issues encountered with the upcoming disk.
 
#1,185 ·

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Originally Posted by alluringreality /forum/post/15461595


My point was mainly that I think it's probably possible to stream to the x360, but I don't use mine for that and if he's not doing that then I don't see a reason to try that route. Since you want to calibrate for DVD, I would say to set the player to video levels and just use a DVD. Some libraries may have DVE or Avia if you live in a big enough city, there's online rental like netflix, or there's the disk at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852536

Thanks.


Do you know if Tom's disc is created to the HD Rec 709 standard?
 
#1,186 ·

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Originally Posted by alluringreality /forum/post/15461622


The current versions are all 24p video (AVCHD/BDMV menus are interlaced). Spectracal.com still has an old 60i version, but they do link back to this page. I haven't asked to have the old version taken down because it's authored differently than the next version and it might be useful for testing if there are any issues encountered with the upcoming disk.

Thanks !


Excuse me, I retrieved an old version actually.


The new version 1 is perfect in Samsung BDP-1400 and Toshiba XE1. Both versions are in 24p.


Very good Job.


+++


Jonathan
 
#1,188 ·
OK, So me and njfoses have the same model set but I have the 65" (wd-65835) and he has the 73" set (wd-73835) and we have been working together to get to the bottom of some questions so Ill just ask so I know if I am getting this right. Because our set has a non defeatable auto iris, is it correct to use the 10% APL window pattern for grayscale adjustment and the 100% APL window pattern for color adjustment? I have been using regular window patterns previously but I have never been satisfied with the visual results even though the meter is reading respectable delta E values. just for the sake of clarity I will say, I do know the grayscale does not shift visually with different iris positions. thanks in advance.
 
#1,189 ·

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Originally Posted by cid67 /forum/post/15463463


OK, So me and njfoses have the same model set but I have the 65" (wd-65835) and he has the 73" set (wd-73835) and we have been working together to get to the bottom of some questions so Ill just ask so I know if I am getting this right. Because our set has a non defeatable auto iris, is it correct to use the 10% APL window pattern for grayscale adjustment and the 100% APL window pattern for color adjustment? I have been using regular window patterns previously but I have never been satisfied with the visual results even though the meter is reading respectable delta E values. just for the sake of clarity I will say, I do know the grayscale does not shift visually with different iris positions. thanks in advance.

unfortunately as I'm sure you read above I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. to be blunt I don't think anybody really knows what effect the iris has on the set regarding other settings. from what I have gathered people calibrate this set the same as any other. maybe some people are unaware the set even has an auto iris. one thing I do know is that my grayscale definately shifts pending if I use the apl pattern or the standard 10 % pattern. would be great if we could get to the bottom of how to properly calibrate this thing.
 
#1,190 ·
I'm now wondering about whether to calibrate greyscale using the window or the fields with my AE3000 projector due to the dynamic iris. I don't see the point calibrating with it off as that's not the mode I watch in. I did recheck my colour setting using the AVS 709 disc using a 100 IRE full field and a 100% full field red and found my colour control was too low (probably due to the uniformity issues mentioned above with my incorrect method). I found that I only needed to set the control to -2 instead of -8 and that makes the picture look better and less washed out. It didn't help that the first film I watched with my incorrect setting was deliberately desaturated anyway.



I found that it is very hard to get much more than 2fL off my (Greywolf II) screen in Cinema 1 mode (not the brightest mode, but one of the better ones for D65). I tried a sample of my new Beamax screen in front of the sensor and the readings were much higher, so I think I might as well wait until I get the new screen in the next week or so. I suppose this is the poor viewing angle of my existing screen as I'd guess the sensor was at maybe 40-50 degress to the screen at the peak reading....it may well have a colour shift too at that angle. Makes me wonder how other owners with Greywolf II screens manage as the I1 isn't very accurate below 1fL.
The Greywolf is supposed to be 1.8 gain and the Beamax 1.5, so I expected the off screen readings to be lower, but I think the viewing angle may be better with the Beamax (which is not so good for reducing room reflections).
 
#1,191 ·

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Originally Posted by cid67 /forum/post/15463463


is it correct to use the 10% APL window pattern for grayscale adjustment and the 100% APL window pattern for color adjustment? I have been using regular window patterns previously

You can read what was written above if you want, but the short version is that the gray APL images were created to look at on-screen gamma and the color APL patterns were also mainly for looking at Y. I don't think it makes sense to set color based on Y with a display that has an adjusting light output using typical windows or fields. Any sort of adjusting light output will also mess up gamma with typical patterns, because gamma is just a relative Y representation.
 
#1,192 ·

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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S /forum/post/15464990


I'm now wondering about whether to calibrate greyscale using the window or the fields with my AE3000 projector due to the dynamic iris.

It generally shouldn't matter, just ignore gamma with typical patterns on a display that adjusts light output.
 
#1,193 ·

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Originally Posted by mparter /forum/post/15461802


Do you know if Tom's disc is created to the HD Rec 709 standard?

It's a DVD, so it doesn't use that encoding. This http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14520435 attempts to address how primaries are generally determined by the display, rather than the disk information.
 
#1,195 ·

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Originally Posted by SOWK /forum/post/15467792


Does it matter if its DVD+R or DVD-R?

It won't matter for most players, but I suppose it's possible a certain model player might not like some media. All my testing has been with DVD+RW or DVD+R and I haven't ran into anything that was clearly media related with current players.
 
#1,196 ·

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I don't think it makes sense to set color based on Y with a display that has an adjusting light output using typical windows or fields

the way I am thinking is I can see how the auto iris would mess up a gamma measurement because it is raising and lowering the black level but for getting the Y value for a color, it is basically a specific percentage of the Y of 100% white, right? so the auto iris shouldn't effect the brightness of the 100% white, the way I see it and thus it would have no effect on the math to come to the Y value for your color. obviously I am missing something.
 
#1,197 ·

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Originally Posted by cid67 /forum/post/15468802


the way I am thinking is I can see how the auto iris would mess up a gamma measurement because it is raising and lowering the black level but for getting the Y value for a color, it is basically a specific percentage of the Y of 100% white, right? so the auto iris shouldn't effect the brightness of the 100% white, the way I see it and thus it would have no effect on the math to come to the Y value for your color. obviously I am missing something.

Are you talking about setting Y on a 100% red screen to be 21% of the Y of 100% white? And blue to 7% of white? If so, will the iris be automatically set to the same setting on the white, red and blue screens? I don't know what algorithm the TV uses to set the iris, but my guess is that it has something to do with tweaking the opening to achieve a particular average Y. This implies to me a different iris setting for each full screen color, screwing up your attempt to set Y for red and blue.


Obviously I'm talking about simply setting Color, but it seems that this logic would also apply to a real CMS.


Does that make sense?
 
#1,198 ·

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Originally Posted by cid67 /forum/post/15468802


the way I am thinking is

The way the auto iris on my Sony generally seems to work is that it appears to open and close based on APL. It seems to close for a full screen of black and open for a full screen of white. An area of red is not the same APL as the same area of white, so I have to guess that the iris might change when displaying typical window or field patterns.
 
#1,199 ·

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Are you talking about setting Y on a 100% red screen to be 21% of the Y of 100% white? And blue to 7% of white? If so, will the iris be automatically set to the same setting on the white, red and blue screens? I don't know what algorithm the TV uses to set the iris, but my guess is that it has something to do with tweaking the opening to achieve a particular average Y. This implies to me a different iris setting for each full screen color, screwing up your attempt to set Y for red and blue.


Obviously I'm talking about simply setting Color, but it seems that this logic would also apply to a real CMS.


Does that make sense?

yes that does make sens and that is what I was referring to. I would suppose since red or blue, or green for that matter is darker than a 100% white window, than it is reasonable to assume the Iris would be letting less light in and would possibly make the difference. I still am not total sure why as ideally an iris,in my opinion, should be designed to let enough lite through to give me correct results. once again I go back to the logic that if my math is right there should be enough lite in a particular color to give me correct color. I am no pro at this so I'm just going on logical assumptions here.


I don't want to get of topic here as I know this is a topic for the AVS HD 709 disk and not for discussion on how to calibrate a tv. I am just trying to get a more informed view of the situation so I can determine what pattern to use for the calibration of gray scale and color on a set with a non adjustable Iris.


I haven't heard a definite yes or no one way or the other and I assume that's probably because it depends on the TV. I hope I am steering in the right direction in wanting to use the APL patterns to perform my calibration because it may get me better results, so long as the additional patterns on screen at the same time don't contaminate my readings.



thanks for helping me understand all this. I know it can be frustrating trying to explain all this to an amateur.
 
#1,200 ·

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Originally Posted by cid67 /forum/post/15469988


so long as the additional patterns on screen at the same time don't contaminate my readings.

Projection generally has some light scatter, and that's why they don't have as high an ANSI contrast as direct view LCD or Plasma. You could do a measurement run with typical windows and then do a measurement run with the APL windows. If you're unintentionally measuring the other colors on the APL image the xy will move compared to the typical windows. My TV is rear projection and doesn't have great ANSI contrast, but the APL xy measurements were very close to the typical windows so it didn't seem an issue on my TV.


EDIT: I meant a comparison with the color patterns.
 
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