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Agreed. I think this comes from the fact that we never play Rush together (accounts for maybe 5% of my total playtime). It was frustrating, but I think we did as good as we could have against that group. They just non-stop blitzed us and seemed to have total control on the vehicle front.

In CQ, we can get away with running as squads and going our own separate ways. Rush needs a little more coordination, and that mostly comes from playing it together enough. They were about as coordinated as could be - where there was one, there were 3 more (or a tank). Mortars, smoke, revives - they just knew each others strenghts and weaknesses and ran with it.

+1 couldn't have summed it up better myself. Besides rarely playing Rush period think majority of us never even played Rush together until this match. Conquest would have been better matches especially since our group is not as coordinated outside of each squad.

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Not to sound negative, but I don't think the game mode would have mattered much. BAT are the type of guys that can play all day, every day (evidenced by the level 100) while also having spent the time together as an entire unit necessary to dominate in a team match.

AVS, as a collective; we all have our strengths, but haven't put the pieces of the puzzle together, as Nexus said. We've got a couple of specialists, but I'd venture that BAT wasn't quaking in their boots over Zath flying a plane; they probably have a number of guys that have mastered each vehicle and/or skillset.

The difference between having a bunch of guys that are "good" get together and having a team that can dominate are vast.
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I cant offer up any advice on the defending front of rush. I did notice something that may help in the future on the attacking side though. This observation is from when AVS was attacking metro.

It seemed from my perspective that there was a greater percentage of recon specifically snipers than needed on that match. Generally speaking I would say snipers play a greater roll on the defending side vs attacking.

I really enjoy games like Kharg. I think we got that last MCOM with just 6 tickets left. I think you guys got that first set towards the end of the ticket count as well. Intense edge of your seat fun.
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I'm down to play them again CQ or rush. It is nice to play people that are better as a whole. the last few rounds weren't as fun but I could handle the others. If we do rush again we def have to do a better job of falling on the mcom when they are in the process of arming though.
I'd be down for the next time CQ, then the time after a mixture of CQ and Rush.

I rarely ever saw anyone that wasn't a medic unless they were repairing the lav that was blasting away on the MCOM.
Literally couldn't reload my rifle, pistol, or m320 quick enough to keep them from constantly reviving. Several times i had to keep using my pistol because it's reload time is so much quicker.

I'm down for just squad chat next time as well. I know our squad (myself mainly) talk and call out a ton of stuff so that kinda turns to grey noise for other squads.


Oh.. And minus being rammed by the jet 3-4 times (and then going on a crazy good run with lowgn) on kharg and the nonstop m320 barrage, it was pretty fun.
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Yeah getting rammed sucks. I was rammed twice when I was in the chopper on Kharg. The chopper on the last mcom of Kharg was a game changer. I will always have more concern over a dominate chopper vs dominate jet.
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Was thinking we could try a less clanny thing and maybe do SQDM. Only needs 16 players for a match. Maybe even do a ladder for best squad.
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I'd be down for that nexus. I enjoy SQDM but never have anyone who wants to play it.

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I'd be down for that nexus. I enjoy SQDM but never have anyone who wants to play it.

I like SQDM, I'd be down to play.

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Was thinking we could try a less clanny thing and maybe do SQDM. Only needs 16 players for a match. Maybe even do a ladder for best squad.

Ya, agreed. Would be fun.
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Yeah getting rammed sucks. I was rammed twice when I was in the chopper on Kharg. The chopper on the last mcom of Kharg was a game changer. I will always have more concern over a dominate chopper vs dominate jet.

Apologies - I was actually trying to pull away so I WOULDN'T ram you guys. I had a difficult time locking onto the chopper and getting rounds on target. It seemed to take a while to find you guys - kudos to whoever was piloting. There was a moment of surreal beauty when both the chopper and jet popped over the ridge on Kharg at the same time - almost like military style execution. I think there was only one case (jet-on-jet) when I actually collided with someone resulting in double mass suicide.

Overall, I felt there was a higher level of respect than in most games on both sides. I know I did my part to ensure this. There were a couple of spawnkilling instances on Seine, but overall it wasn't a big deal (and not like we were going to win anyway!).

Duke, one question - were you BAT people all using team chat? Also, you guys looked so cute with *almost* everyone with their BAT clan tags!
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Ya, agreed. Would be fun.

Wanna see if the BAT guys are down for putting in a few squads? The more the better otherwise it will end quick. Even if we don't get this rolling we need to squad up and play this, looks like we have interest.
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I like SQDM, I'd be down to play.

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Wanna see if the BAT guys are down for putting in a few squads? The more the better otherwise it will end quick. Even if we don't get this rolling we need to squad up and play this, looks like we have interest.

Sounds good, I'll message razor. If anyone sees orange on ask him also.
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I can put the word out about the squad death match.

I have been guilty of accidental ramming. I flat out suck in the jet. When i get a bead on the chopper and using the guns i misjudge how fast i am going and dont time the pull up soon enough. I just know the times I have been in a take and the guns on the jet blow ya up you hardly have time to react. I keep thinking it will blow...it will blow...nope.

We were all in team chat except for the 1st attac k on Kharg and half the defense. Razors squad was accidentally in squad chat. I thought the team chat worked well. I never knew that that was an option until a few days ago.
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I think we could get some good SDM matches going, but I think they probably would not last too many rounds as most everyone would get frustrated. The AVS and BAT guys are some of the best around and I think consistently playing against one another would become a cuss-a-thon, but would definitely raise everyone's game.

I think the only advantage that BAT had this weekend was in the amount of time we have played together. The people on BAT have been playing together on either BC2 or BF3 for the better part of 3 years straight and most of it has been in Rush. With the exception of Lowgn, Zath, and maybe a couple of others, BAT is the group that played every single night. It was a mixed euro/AVS group. Generally we all knew what the others were doing and only had to call out a few general orders and most of the other time was spent cursing. I know I felt generally outclassed by most people on both teams.

Hopefully we can find more 3rd party competition to keep us from developing any hard feelings that would prevent us from playing together. Maybe an industrious sort can develop a regular clan tournament. I know not everyone likes to compete as it can be quite stressful and not everyone has the time but maybe we can form a separate clan with the best of BAT and AVS together just for competition?

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I think we could get some good SDM matches going, but I think they probably would not last too many rounds as most everyone would get frustrated. The AVS and BAT guys are some of the best around and I think consistently playing against one another would become a cuss-a-thon, but would definitely raise everyone's game.

I think the only advantage that BAT had this weekend was in the amount of time we have played together. The people on BAT have been playing together on either BC2 or BF3 for the better part of 3 years straight and most of it has been in Rush. With the exception of Lowgn, Zath, and maybe a couple of others, BAT is the group that played every single night. It was a mixed euro/AVS group. Generally we all knew what the others were doing and only had to call out a few general orders and most of the other time was spent cursing. I know I felt generally outclassed by most people on both teams.

Hopefully we can find more 3rd party competition to keep us from developing any hard feelings that would prevent us from playing together. Maybe an industrious sort can develop a regular clan tournament. I know not everyone likes to compete as it can be quite stressful and not everyone has the time but maybe we can form a separate clan with the best of BAT and AVS together just for competition?

I don't think there are any hard feelings between groups at all, least I hope not. There is a certain respect given that most of us know each other anyway. No one was doing things they shouldn't and after glancing over the game logs there really wasn't a dominant player overall. We're just not used to the next level onslaught we got. Were used to randoms and doing our own thing. Our next matchup on CQ may be a whole different outcome, wink, wink!
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It can be very fun going against your friends in games. Its funny to actually know who you are cussing about. The only time I don't like going against "the guys" is when you are the one poor sack that is on the other side of everyone else and just get pounded. I usually end up leaving that cause a lone wolf with a bunch of no mic randoms is no match for a pack.
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My point was only that most here, even when playing for fun, are quite competitive. Once we've all taken turns beating on each other, unless we have fresh meat, will get bored quickly.

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My point was only that most here, even when playing for fun, are quite competitive. Once we've all taken turns beating on each other, unless we have fresh meat, will get bored quickly.

I still push for Pick up games. It'd be hard if most of BAT is euro but if we scrambled AVS, BAT and QRF whenever there was the combo of enough people on I think it'd be awesome. It's what makes many other games so good.
If we don't have 24 people so what, just keep it close at a +/- 1 balance. If a random joins and is playing then keep him in on that team unless someone wants his spot. If someone has to leave it isn't some big deal. If someone gets online, see's a bunch of people playing simply message one or two of the people saying you want in. If there is spot the admins can boot and put people in or let the others know that there is a sub if they want out. We don't filter by clan but we try to balance teams before beginning.
Simply set a time or day weekly, say like Weds @ 7c. If people are on then we'll have a pug in whatever the choice is that week, whether it be CQ, Rush, TDM, SQDM... etc.. We could put that in the server info "PUG SCRIM WEDS @ XXXX, Join to play, if there is a spot you have a mic you'll be left in"

With something like this in the few hours most of us have to play we know that in that little time frame we'd at least being having fun and having good games. If you are in the pug and just wanna snipe, so be it. If you wanna fly, then do it. No "feelings" just better BF3.
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In other news, I was playing with a guy that was ranked colonel 100 and had service star 43 on a dart gun. The entire team was using the dart round because the server said "anything goes". I quite soon after.
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Simply set a time or day weekly, say like Weds @ 7c. If people are on then we'll have a pug in whatever the choice is that week, whether it be CQ, Rush, TDM, SQDM... etc.. We could put that in the server info "PUG SCRIM WEDS @ XXXX, Join to play, if there is a spot you have a mic you'll be left in"

With something like this in the few hours most of us have to play we know that in that little time frame we'd at least being having fun and having good games. If you are in the pug and just wanna snipe, so be it. If you wanna fly, then do it. No "feelings" just better BF3.

Let's get some legs on this. It seems the majority of us are all on at random times - think if we can get a set day/time, it would be easier for more of us to make time to join in.

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In other news, I was playing with a guy that was ranked colonel 100 and had service star 43 on a dart gun. The entire team was using the dart round because the server said "anything goes". I quite soon after.

Very stupid question. I've not used the Mass at all and I thought everything was unlocked for it but when I wanted to try the Dart on Zaths unranked madness yesterday I don't actually have it. I just assumed it was like the 320 and you selected it as you would the other attachments, but I only show the med pack, 320, 320 buck, 320 smoke and Mass on my attachment list. Battlelog indicates the other ammo types for it but doesn't show any kills required to unlock stuff for it like other weapons. Need to know how to unlock stuff for it??

No I'm not going to use the thing in its current state on ranked matches but for fun unranked stuff it would be fun.

BTW, unranked knives and explosives on Zaths madness was a good way to unwind. Reminded me of using riot shields only on MW2. He had health cranked, gun damage all the way down and team kill on.
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Let's get some legs on this. It seems the majority of us are all on at random times - think if we can get a set day/time, it would be easier for more of us to make time to join in.

I'm on most weeknights around 7-10pm central. Weekend nights, too (no life).

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Very stupid question. I've not used the Mass at all and I thought everything was unlocked for it but when I wanted to try the Dart on Zaths unranked madness yesterday I don't actually have it. I just assumed it was like the 320 and you selected it as you would the other attachments, but I only show the med pack, 320, 320 buck, 320 smoke and Mass on my attachment list. Battlelog indicates the other ammo types for it but doesn't show any kills required to unlock stuff for it like other weapons. Need to know how to unlock stuff for it??

No I'm not going to use the thing in its current state on ranked matches but for fun unranked stuff it would be fun.

BTW, unranked knives and explosives on Zaths madness was a good way to unwind. Reminded me of using riot shields only on MW2. He had health cranked, gun damage all the way down and team kill on.

Dart = Flechette rounds for the shotgun. Think of how the other shottys unlock - you start with buck, unlock flechette, slug, frag rounds. Same is true - the Dart is just an M26 MASS with flechette rounds. That's all.

Glad you enjoyed the unranked insanity! We definitely need to do it again with more people
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I'm on most weeknights around 7-10pm central. Weekend nights, too (no life).

Dart = Flechette rounds for the shotgun. Think of how the other shottys unlock - you start with buck, unlock flechette, slug, frag rounds. Same is true - the Dart is just an M26 MASS with flechette rounds. That's all.

Glad you enjoyed the unranked insanity! We definitely need to do it again with more people

Just a little weird that Battlelog doesn't bother to show the unlocks like they do for other guns.
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Yeah it is quite strange. But that's how I unlocked the Dart, anyways - just ran around w/the MASS till I unlocked it. Takes all of 10 minutes on close maps like Metro.
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Not to sound negative, but I don't think the game mode would have mattered much. BAT are the type of guys that can play all day, every day (evidenced by the level 100) while also having spent the time together as an entire unit necessary to dominate in a team match.

AVS, as a collective; we all have our strengths, but haven't put the pieces of the puzzle together, as Nexus said. We've got a couple of specialists, but I'd venture that BAT wasn't quaking in their boots over Zath flying a plane; they probably have a number of guys that have mastered each vehicle and/or skillset.

The difference between having a bunch of guys that are "good" get together and having a team that can dominate are vast.

With all the advantages you mentioned we still had some small victories, and a few matches were very close. It's always VERY difficult to beat an organized clan, but at least if you're playing the game mode you're familiar w/ you can be competitive. I personally hadn't played rush for an eternity. No way to make up for that in a few hours...

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With all the advantages you mentioned we still had some small victories, and a few matches were very close. It's always VERY difficult to beat an organized clan, but at least if you're playing the game mode you're familiar w/ you can be competitive. I personally hadn't played rush for an eternity. No way to make up for that in a few hours...

I certainly agree that a different mode would probably feel like it were a closer match, but I've played in (friendly) tournaments before. When my friends and I were L4D hounds, we'd dominate 99% of the teams we came up against. That other 1% however, was light years ahead of us...simply put, we got spanked. They'd practice for hours each day; setting up scenarios, going into strategies, etc. We just played for fun and adapted on the fly. I wasn't willing to put in the countless hours of extra time just to move up a notch or two.

To me, most AVSers seem to have family obligations and other distractions that would prevent them from ever putting in the necessary time to make the jump from pretty damn good to unbeatable. That's not a rip on anyone's skills, just a fact of life. I sure do miss BF2 rush.
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But maybe that is why the majority of guys here like CQ. Because you don't necessarily fall flat on your face when you are not coordinated and whatnot. Because you can lonewolf it at times, and other times one squad working together can have quite an impact. What I mean is, one man (or woman) can have more of an impact in this mode than in Rush mode, IMO. (That's right fellas, we got our asses handed to us by a woman too yesterday. When we accidentally got the teams mixed up I heard her. And for what it is worth, I didn't start attacking until were got everybody back on their proper sides.)

Look I've spent a lot of time in this game. I was lost when I first starting playing BF3, my first BF title. I've come a long way, but I only have so much skill here. Some people will always outclass me no matter how much I play or how little they play. Some people just are incredible at video games, and those people are also usually very smart. Me, meh. I've got a lot of good things going for me though.

Look, I understand BAT may have, and most likely does have, superior players. But I would like another chance with modes I am more familiar with. No hard feelings, but I was pretty peeved after the ass kicking. It went away pretty quick, and I'm sure that is a natural reaction.

But now I honestly do want to see what would happen if it was all conquest. I honestly think I am just curious more than anything. If we got are asses handed to us again, that would be absolutely fine with me. I would be a little surprised if we didn't at least make it competitive and win a couple games, though. I only hope that I could actually be there, but if not, oh well. I'll just have to suffer until the end of my days getting my ass handed to me in wtfRush mode lol.

After that, maybe we all could just keep ourselves interested in this game with good matches one or two days a week.

In other news, FWIW, I've decided I play too much and have too many things that are going on, to the point where I have to scale back xbox quite a bit. Besides I see video games like golf. Sometimes you have to get away from it to forget your bad in game habits. So it may be perfect timing for us talking about having set designated times one or two days a week to just get together and stomp around.
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So is the consensus to ask BAT to play again using only CQ mode again for the next round?

Also when would be a good time for everyone? (I know Mother's Day is this weekend, though)

Maybe we could schedule two dates.

Unfortunately for me I can never guarantee anything no matter how far out, due to work obligations. But I will certainly plan on trying to be there. So I'll not offer any input on a date. I assume with the time zone differences with everybody, a weekend is most likely the only option.
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