Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.
Carl Sagan (1980)
I will say that as long in the tooth as I feel this gen is...that was some incredibly impressive stuff for such ancient hardware. So much of it comes from increased production quality even if the tech is only marginally improved.
If this is what were getting at the end of this gen, I can't imagine what the end of next gen 5-7 years from now is going to show us.
Be careful, you might accidentally make an argument for a skip rather than a leap for nextboxgen!
I think it's telling these games are getting praise for their visuals, at the same time there was a lot of focus on services and kinect. MS is pretty content with the current money train they're on, and expensive new hardware that pushes limits is not their focus this year and maybe not even next.
Bottom line is this IMO...As someone said above...we are just getting the kind of games that maximizes current gen tech with XBox and PS. WiiU just catches up for Nintendo on the tech side. Their systems are about games and novelty. There is just too much incentive for MS and Sony to milk this gen and let Nintendo ride the point with WiiU in 2013...or even 2014. WiiU is a brilliant launch IMO. It forces MS and Sony way upmarket in NexGen...where the risk of high price tech failure lurks. If Halo 4 is an indicator of what can still be done with the XBox 360...the conversion/adoption rate could be deathly slow for a NexGen launch in 2013 or 2014. And I'm only throwing 2013 out there as a dog bone for those who so desperately want a new console in that timing. I sure would love to see you get at least a trial launch. But as I said earlier...methinks you'll only get E3 type "Beaver Shots" or nothing. I still think XBox Nexus will launch in late 2014. But it also still wouldn't surprise me if it and the PS+ didn't actually happen until 2015-2016. All indications are...wild rumors notwithstanding...is that MS and Sony are totally content letting Nintendo, Mobile and PC gaming take certer stage in 2013...to gauge where the console market and consumer demand really is. And I think that is really smart on their part. A WiiU success doesn't threaten XBox or Sony at all. I know I will buy a WiiU just to check it out (probably in 2014). But it will have no impact on what I do with XBox or PS.
Yes, Wii U has finally caught up to 360 and PS3. But is that enough? I had fun with the demos at E3. But none of them screamed next gen. You couldn't tell these were any better than what's out for the other systems. Sure, the games will get better. But if you're counting on these early games to make the system an awesome seller, then you're in for a wait.
The Nintendo diehards will already be buying the Wii U. That's never been in question. But what made the Wii sell like crazy was it got people who would have never bought a game system to buy it. These are least likely to upgrade to a new system unless there's something truly compelling and unique. and I'm not sure a touchscreen controller is truly unique. You use the GamePad and you start thinking, this is kind of like playing with a tablet.
And you say you're buying a Wii U to just check it out. A lot of people do not make an impulse buy for a system that is $350+.
I will say this... NIntendo really brought out a ton of booth girls... it felt like there was a booth babe for every 10 people and they're practically on top of you as you're playing...
I did indeed say I would check it out. But much later than sooner. It will not be an impulse buy. I will more than likely just use my grandkids unit to see how it works. They will undoubtedly be XMas 2012 adopters. I'm having way too much fun with my new PC right now. And I will have to work through a pretty big backlog of upcoming XBox 360 games first in 2013. For example...Halo 4, Darsiders 2, Prey 2 and a few others. They will take me well into 2014.
This has dreamcast written all over it. It wasn't safe to say that before we saw what they have up their sleeve for the next year. But seeing how weak the showing was....I dunno what happens next. This could be the last nintendo console. I really do think it's that dire. They made some severe miscalculations over the past few years.
they needed to show more of what online gaming is like on the Wii U.
because the demo clip for the Sunday show was just so sad and out of touch with how gamers play online. who pauses a game, goes to write a bunch of text messages. wait for people to type out more messages. goes back to game. still frustrated, he pauses the game again, docks his controller to start up a video chat, gets some tips, and then goes back to the game????
in today's online world, he and his friends are playing together, helping each other out, and talking to each other. we don't stop the game, type some messages, start the game, pause, more messages. it's a lot easier to say something in 4 seconds in real time during the game than doing this snail pace communication. and let's say his friends aren't around for him to play with, he should still be able to talk to them. the next gen should have Sony and Nintendo catch up and provide crossgame party chat like on the 360.
Playstation has the games I'm actually excited for.
I've had enough of the same s***, over and over, year after year. Some one posted a while back that gamers don't want new and innovative games. That's EXACTLY what I want.
Oh and that nintendo girl is cute. The bangs thing is popular right now, and I'm not complaining at all.
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"Kind of crazy to me that anyone could think it's going to be a brilliant launch with such a shameful showing on the software side. As one of those Nintendo fans...they couldn't even sell me. What they showed clearly didn't have the mass appeal of the Wii either. Dunno where that leaves them next year when the focus turns to the next console launch."
Well...I simply disagree with you. So I guess that makes me "crazy". A lot of other people do too. So I guess they are equally "crazy". With that being said...the link above gives added insight into the topic. Many on this thread have said in the past...that most consoles launch without a plethora of new titles. I agree with them but still say big freaking deal. The popularity of Nintendo's first party software...and anticipation of new versions will hook parents and kids alike. You forget...we in this forum are the 1%ers as far as avid hard core...on-line...multiplayer gaming is concerned. Nintendo is decidely general gaming market. It's Hard core for kids aged 5-13. And parents like it that way. Nintendo has a built in critical success model (Kids/parents/library) that no other console maker quite has. For example...I am a Halo loyalist. But I can get something very similar on PS3 or PC. So I am decidely not as loyal to MS as I am to Nintendo for my grandkids. They want Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong et al. And both I and their parents want them to have it. And we want them to enjoy it in HD as fully as we enjoy our HD content. That's the main reason why WiiU will succeed IMO. All of us grew up with those Nintendo games. They are part of our identities. And we gleefully pass them on to our kids and grandkids. WiiU is just the next smart transition for that.
Dreamcast? I say dream on. If anything has Dreamcast written all over it...it's an expensive new XBox or PS launch in 2013 with only 1%-5% demand for it. And I say this as an avid XBox fanboy! At least Nintendo has the pent up mass market demand for a better version of Wii...that's at parity with the XBox 360 and PS3...and exploits current HD display tech. Hence WiiU. I say brilliant. You say no thanks. And I don't think you are "crazy" for saying it. It's just your call...from your pov.
I do get your lust for XBox Nexus in 2013. It would be great if it happened for early adopters like yourself. Doesn't matter that I think that timing is "Pie in the Sky". And I don't think your passionate yearning for it to happen is remotely crazy. In fact, I enjoy reading your comments because of your passion for your pov. It often keeps this thread moving into the future...that we all want to get too. But I say...riddle me this on your prediction for WiiU. If it bombs in 2012-2013 as you predict...an XBox or PS launch in the same period would be disastrous. If WiiU is indeed "Dreamcast"...you won't see your beloved XBox Nexus before 2016. More likely 2018 if you are right. MS has "Mice Nuts" on risk. They will quickly retreat into a murky future and continue to milk the XBox 360 with line extension improvements and better games.
I get what you're saying at a hypothetical level...but now we have specifics. They can get away with a lackluster launch when they're riding high and their current gen is still going strong. But when their current gen is dead, the competition is closing around them...how can you just write off what we just saw?
BD...The same can be said of MS or Sony whenever they launch. Nintendo's software will catch up pretty fast. Especially the first party titles. It has too. While I view WiiU as the real first NexGen shot. I don't think it is a true NexGen console. I don't think Nintendo does either. I bet they view it as just an upgraded Wii. One that is capable of fully optimizing current display tech and other media opportunities. It has a novel new controller. But I believe Nintendo knows what all of us on this forum and the gaming press like to gloss over. And that is..80% or more of.the game console market is already satisfied with what is already available. And the basic Wii is extremely vulnerable in the current market. Nintendo could care less about XBox Nexus or PS Nexus. Because its market is much more fixed as a mass market staple. It just has to have relevant technology and rough application parity. So essentially they just launched WiiU as an HD line extension to the Wii line. That's why I called it sheer marketing "Brilliance". It doesn't need to be better. It doesn't need to have splashy new 3rd party games. It just needs to be capable of handling them going forward...as its Wii customer base matures. It doesn't even need a massive new launch budget. It can market WiiU's uniqueness right within the context of the current Wii and DS platforms. That is a very high profit yield approach to NexGen. And it is the smart route for Nintendo to tke IMO.
Earlier in this thread I opined that MS could be wise to take a simple line extension approach with the XBox 360...called it the "Uber XBox 360". And focus on a true Next Generation console in 2016-2020 when the market may be more favorable. Many rebutted that such a strategy would fragment the XBox market. I'm still not sure that I agree with that rebuttal. Because it looks like MS intends to keep XBox 360 relevant well beyond 2013. And Mr Kendricks in the link above shares that pov with his comments. He opined that the Nexus Boxes from MS is "a few years away"...and it will coexist with the XBox 360. If he is right...it is just a line extension strategy...whether we all like it or not.
As far as competition goes. I believe Nintendo is much more concerned about market share erosion to their library from cell phone games...i-Phones...and tablets. Hence the brilliant move with 3DS and the WiiU with tablet controller. It keeps their console line competitive with XBox 360, PS3...the Nexus from both. And it targets mobile gaming in a unique way. I think they will continue to evolve, converge and grow the controller use with their mobile platforms in the future. They don't ever need to be as good as MS or Sony in Online multiplayer gaming. Because their core audience is more single player dominant. MS on the other hand needs to keep a wary eye on PC gaming and alternate media...like streaming and Cloud gaming. Just my take on this.
They've squandered their golden opportunity...it's going to be an uphill battle from here on out, even taking whatever competition there is out of the equation.
But my daughter just called...and I mentioned WiiU to her. She said she hated the name WiiU. Whined about the possible price. But it is already number 1 on her christmas list. The 3 kids have already struck with her and my son-in-law!
"Hit: "Doom 3" virtual reality headset - The oddest surprise of E3 wasn't a big announcement but a small one. John Carmack and Bethesda were showing off a homebrew pair of 3-D virtual reality goggles that will work with "Doom 3 BFG" when it launches in the fall. This head-mounted display -– which tracks the movement of your head so that you can literally look around inside the game -- felt quicker and more useful than a mouse. I have never had a gadget make me feel so immersed in a game."
I'm not a huge proponent of head mounted displays, kind of indifferent really, unlike 3D, which I loathe. But if that's something that does happen, I'd like to see one encompass your entire field of view, all the way to your peripheral.
So this device, does the headtracking replace the aiming entirely? Probably get a tired neck from looking all over the place, especially with a helmet strapped to your face. I remember in highschool the exercise gym had this neck machine that you'd lift weights with your neck muscles, have to get to the gym and beef up my neck.
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Just think about how you play certain games. They are extremely limited in how they display by using a fraction of your FOV. Racing games and FPS would change a lot if you could see around you.
Head tracking in a racing game would be pretty simple, but in a FPS I think it would be a lot more complicated. Using a mouse or a controller, you aim and change the view all at once. But my idea of headtracking would just be used to change your view so you could see around you. How then do you aim with a mouse or controller when you're view is moving. The spot you wanted to aim at wouldn't be the same as you move your head around. Maybe it's not as hard as I'm imagining it to be though.
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NexGen...No. 2-3 NexGens away...Yes. A major convergence is happening that will change everything in gaming over the next 30 years. They sure won't think real 1080p 60 on thin panel LCD's is a big deal then.
Nothing at all to do with gaming.
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Welcome to the Matrix folks. It makes for a good story. But the Wachowski Bros already told it in the last decade. We may be living through its creation and just calling it XBox 360...PS3...WiiU...NexGen...etc...etc...etc.
Apparently this is from 2010, and it's pretty high level. But the legit factor is pretty high. The specs seem pretty solid too. Sounds like everything I was hoping for.
3 CPUs! The main one for apps/games is 6-8 core ARM/x86. Another, smaller one, always on for system apps (dual core). And the Xbox 360 soc (3 core) for backwards compat. Main GPU is DX11.1 capable. Secondary CPU also has its own GPU. 4GB system ram. 32mb or more of edram. Two levels of flash cache (adios load times!). Blu ray. Hard drive. USB 3. Gig Ethernet. Dual 1080p decoding and encoding. The entire system is even designed to be scalable in core count/frequency over time (YES!!).
Targeted at 8x the power of the 360 - so your standard, large upgrade between consoles, not a weak upgrade as some suspected.
There is a LOT more in that document than just specs. Info on kinect 2, cloud plans, even alternate reality glasses called Fortaleza (think google glasses).
I guess only time will tell what we get from MS.
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