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It's a gaming (maybe) console...

That made me laugh.

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It's funny how changes in your life that seem to be unrelated can change your views on what you want. I have a kinect, it's been sitting in a drawer for well over a year from now. The voice controls never really made much sense to me and I hardly ever used them other than, xbox pause/play, for netflix.

Now that I have a newborn baby at home, you wouldn't believe how many times I've wished I could change cable channels with my voice (even before the xb1 reveal). When it's 4 in the morning and I'm sitting there with a baby in one hand and a bottle in the other, it's very difficult get up, find my xbox controller, turn it on, switch the receiver, get netflix going and find something to watch. If I can do all that without ever moving from the rocking chair, effin awesome.

That being said, I'm still not completely sold on the xbox one. I still want a great gaming machine that I can play gamefly disks on, but I'm definitely not going to get upset over new ways to control my entertainment options as long as they don't get rid of the old ways and force it on me.
The only bad thing about your thinking is that when your child grows, you will still be stuck with a Kinect.

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Indeed this is the difference between Steam and console digital sales. I know the console makers and publishers want to squeeze every dollar they can from their customers but come on, the Steam model works and it's highly successful. I shouldn't have to be told that $29.99 - $19.99 is somehow a good deal for a 3 year old game. If MS could veer more towards the Steam model with frequent discounts and deep sales of catalog games that'd go a long way towards winning over the more jaded of us out there. It's one reason I buy very few console games yet have a massive back catalog of Steam games.

Thank you.

And that’s just really another way of saying licenses are fine at license prices. If my copy of Alan Wake PC or Ghostbusters disappears into the ether at some point in the future, I already got my $5-10 value out of the license. I knew I didn’t own it, knew it didn’t have resell value, and bought it at a price that if it went away, NBD, since it’s priced in. The digital benefits and cost savings offset it only being a license.

But I’ll be damned if they think I’m paying $60+ for a license. I will for a good physical disc game because of everything it comes with, including its physical resell value. But the moment you take that away, and try to sell it for the same price, it’s pretty much a defacto price increase on gaming.
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I've not been following the updates much but would like to get caught up. Is there any particular balanced or unbiased youtube vids that go over the PS4 and One that would be recommended as a good watch?

FWIW - I use my xbox for gaming only. Once in a bluemoon I will plug in the kinect for the kids but netflix and all the rest I already have on the TV, bluray player, etc so I'm not one that uses my console as much of an entrainment hub, just gaming.

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biggrin.gif That's pretty much the case all around.
Jeez..............here's a newsflash for ya - ALL (that means every single one) PHYSICAL INTERFACES are going AWAY. This means they will not exist, you will interface with devices either with voice, gestures, or a combination of both. You might want to check the features of the Galaxy S4. So without a physical interface how does one control the device? Simple with something like Kinect. The ingame controller may well end up being the last stronghold of the physical interface.
But they might drop $500 for a box that plays games and has TV festures.
Negative? Mainstream (those with an actual job) seems to be undecided......................now the "wah...wah....wah, my ba-gina hurts" crowd here & on youtube? About the only true "negative" I've seen.

And for the tin foil hat brigade - how many have a Facebook account.................there is likely no other entity on the planet that gives less of a ch*t about you data than them. The folks in nigeria are safer than Zuckerberg when it comes to data. Anything misuse of data for them is "wasn't mine, I don't give a damn" or "I don't care if it's personal, there's a group offering $.12 a record for it". You trust them and feel MS is worse? LMAO, yeah, okay..................probably same dipstick that thinks dropbox is a good place for your tax records.

Excellent post Bailey!

I agree with all your points

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I've not been following the updates much but would like to get caught up. Is there any particular balanced or unbiased youtube vids that go over the PS4 and One that would be recommended as a good watch?

FWIW - I use my xbox for gaming only. Once in a bluemoon I will plug in the kinect for the kids but netflix and all the rest I already have on the TV, bluray player, etc so I'm not one that uses my console as much of an entrainment hub, just gaming.

You'll probably need to wait until E3 for that. There hasn't been a lot of focus on games yet and the butthurt is clouding any semblance of logic and reason.
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I've not been following the updates much but would like to get caught up. Is there any particular balanced or unbiased youtube vids that go over the PS4 and One that would be recommended as a good watch?

Probably not. Best bet is to just leave this thread until after E3 in 2 weeks. Otherwise you will only be reading speculation.

Here are links to the 2 reveals.

PS4 reveal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8KLN-l86o (2 hours)

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Excellent post Bailey!

I agree with all your points

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I've not been following the updates much but would like to get caught up. Is there any particular balanced or unbiased youtube vids that go over the PS4 and One that would be recommended as a good watch?

FWIW - I use my xbox for gaming only. Once in a bluemoon I will plug in the kinect for the kids but netflix and all the rest I already have on the TV, bluray player, etc so I'm not one that uses my console as much of an entrainment hub, just gaming.

We really don't know anything about xbox one as a gaming console yet.
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This is exactly how I feel, and I'm depressed about it because I've been an Xbox supporter since day one 12 years ago.
100% agree but, I also believe they will continue the TV push at E3. I'm sure they will show plenty of games but they aren't going to let up on the TV angle either.

Taking a cue from that video, I think it will go something like this: games, games, games, games, games, TV, TV, TV, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, games, games, games, TV.

They've done nothing but shove Kinect down our throats for the past 2 years at E3 so I have little doubt that it will be any different this year. My interests in Kinect died about 2 weeks after I bought it at launch, when I realized the only thing I was ever doing with it was dusting it off. I just have zero interest in talking to my TV (have never used Siri on my iPhone or iPad either), waving my hands at my TV or getting off the couch to play video games.
Exactly! If the mainstream consumer was willing to pay more for TV enhancement products then GoogleTV, Roku and AppleTV devices would not be so cheap. These products aren't cheap because the companies are being nice, it's what people are willing to pay. Plus, the mainstream consumer is not going to shop for a TV product in the games section of Best Buy, where the Xbone will live.
The only thing that is even more of a waste of time on the internet then forums, are petitions.

For the last 2 years in my home theater department we have had both the 360 & PS3 set up for customers to interact with. This isn't just for game consoles. A lot of products get cross promoted in departments that interact with other products. We have the Mobil department right in front of Home Theater but when you walk in our department you will find a Samsung Galaxy phone and tablet setup to interact with the Samsung displays. I even go as far as showing customers on my Ipad the many interactions that interest them. Mainstream is going to Best Buy, Walmart Electronics and Amazon and seeing the product on the front page. This statement also completely ignores MS and what we know when it comes to marketing and what they will do. Mainstream is making wish list in both UK and the US at number 1 for the Xbox one so somebody is paying attention. Blockbuster is reporting a record pre-order for the system. But it is Blockbuster so who knows what record it previously broke.

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You'll probably need to wait until E3 for that. There hasn't been a lot of focus on games yet and the butthurt is clouding any semblance of logic and reason.

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Probably not. Best bet is to just leave this thread until after E3 in 2 weeks. Otherwise you will only be reading speculation.

Here are links to the 2 reveals.

PS4 reveal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8KLN-l86o (2 hours)

Xbox One reveal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bFVptu6QbY (1 hour)
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I'm sure they could never have convinced any card carrying Sony or Nintendo fanboys. But a lot of their current audience did not go into that reveal as skeptics, they went in excited. They left as skeptics. Even the true believers were left with nothing but a promise that they'll make good in two weeks.

Mmm, I'll probably have to disagree somewhat. Most of what was shown was already either heavily rumored or already known so I'm not sure how many true believers were turned skeptical. Sure there probably were some but come on, the amount of hyperbole over this event is bordering on ridiculous.

edit Saying that, MS isn't helping the situation by not having a cohesive message. It's been "exec 1 says this", and "exec 2 says that". They're keeping close to the vest and stuff like this festers as a result. Still I swear the backlash is getting to the point of being silly as people are having a field day without actually understanding the whole situation. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, etc..
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So is this the same person posting on 3 different accounts with the same avatar?

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http://kotaku.com/xbox-ones-kinect-can-turn-off-microsoft-says-noting-510100564

Probably old news. But Kinect can turn off.

So you guys can quite worrying that someone at MS will secretly be watching you in your boxers sitting on the couch.

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Nah, that takes away from the fun. I mean heaven forbid the system can actually turn off. Nope, that's why conspiracy theories are so fun. You can't spoil the fun with facts! rolleyes.gif
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So is this the same person posting on 3 different accounts with the same avatar?

I had the same thought, because of the avatar. But I'm guessing it's some kind of troll brigade. Champions of Anarchy is what I thought it said, but it's actually Chalupas of Anarchy.... You can obviously see what they champion.

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Mmm, I'll probably have to disagree somewhat. Most of what was shown was already either heavily rumored or already known so I'm not sure how many true believers were turned skeptical. Sure there probably were some but come on, the amount of hyperbole over this event is bordering on ridiculous.

I guess that's kind of the problem. Instead of leaving us excited, they just confirmed the stuff that already had people pissed off. I can't think of one thing during the reveal that left me thinking, wow that's an awesome idea.

Maybe the strategy of the gamer is already here and will buy regardless so lets go after that other audience will work out for them. I don't know. Either way it didn't leave gamers with much to get excited about.
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"The super core guys, they will buy everything," he added. "They will buy all devices, but most people really only do buy one device, and if you're going to think about what that one device is, we believe an all-in-one system that does the best games and TV and entertainment will be something that's really unique.
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So is this the same person posting on 3 different accounts with the same avatar?

Nah brah, we aren't one person with 3 accounts because obviously that is against AVS ToS. Ever heard a clan? Yeah thats us.........

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I had the same thought, because of the avatar. But I'm guessing it's some kind of troll brigade. Champions of Anarchy is what I thought it said, but it's actually Chalupas of Anarchy.... You can obviously see what they champion.

Only thing we champion is ass kicking and making others rage quit matches bro....

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But the mainstream people aren't going to drop $500 on a box just for the tv features.

Have they announced the price?

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Have they announced the price?

E3 is when they will announce it prolly

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http://kotaku.com/xbox-ones-kinect-can-turn-off-microsoft-says-noting-510100564

Probably old news. But Kinect can turn off.

So you guys can quite worrying that someone at MS will secretly be watching you in your boxers sitting on the couch.
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"...Microsoft has cancelled plans for the subsidized version and my sources tell me that there will be just one version of the console that costs $499."

http://winsupersite.com/xbox/xbox-one-preview

Scroll down to the "Price" section. Paul Thurrott has many connections at Microsoft and he's been right more times then he's been wrong.

If the PS4 comes in at a lower price then MS will need to lower the price of the XBOne. MS needs to at least sell the XBOne at the same price as the PS4. Otherwise they will probably lose alot of sales.

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The rumor is Microsoft is going to offer a much lower price with an installment plan which may grab that audience sooner.

*Deferred cost plan (which will be more expensive ITLR).

But true, I do think people will overlook the long term costs for the layaway option that appears to be cheaper.

edit: see they've dropped plans. Thats wierd, as it would have worked. $499 seems a bit expensive for what MS showed, I was expecting $399-449 range this gen for both MSONY.
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coyote_5, DeuceTheFace, bucwylde23

So is this the same person posting on 3 different accounts with the same avatar?
That is only partially true

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I look forward to more noobs playin COD with the kinect un-muted and hearing their moms/wife's fighting with them.

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Weren't they selling the kinect bundle at a $100 or $50 premuim? Maybe they will be priced the same. PS4 gets more expensive components, XBone gets the kinect.
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I'll have to remember to read this tonight since the link is blocked at work.

There's really not much to it. You can read the article in the headline, lots of fluff.

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Just to give my opinion on the Xbox One but it seems like Microsoft is trying to see how far they can go. They are adding a used game fee, they are requiring regular online verification for single player games, and they are making the Kinect mandatory to the point that you can't disconnect it from the game console. I don't like any of that but to me the deal breaker might be the mandatory Kinect. If I can't wrap the Kinect in a blanket, stuff it behind the AV cabinet, and never have to touch it again than this will be the first console generation in which I will own only one of the game consoles (the PS4). I simply don't have absolute faith in Microsoft to never invade my privacy and to create a game console that is unhackable.
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Nah brah, we aren't one person with 3 accounts because obviously that is against AVS ToS. Ever heard a clan? Yeah thats us.........

All good. Just something you don't normally see. Used to clans on Live and PC but not forums where each one post right after the other lol.

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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

coyote_5, DeuceTheFace, bucwylde23

So is this the same person posting on 3 different accounts with the same avatar?

Yes, exactly that. wink.gif

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