Originally Posted by OARevolution
I set my TV to except a full RGB signal and my Xbox to Expanded. If a YcbCr signal is sent,(DVD, Blu Ray, or cable) my TV does not let me choose between a limited or full RGB signal because that setting no longer apply's. So on my display I never have to change the settings back and forth when viewing different content. I know all displays are different though. I have switched back and forth between limited and full RGB and, as previously stated in this thread, I really couldn't tell a difference. I just like knowing that its being displayed in full RGB. I guess it's more of an OCD thing haha....
Hmmm, on my TV I do not get a choice of RGB or another setting. It is just either "ITU601" or "ITU709" or "Auto". But on my Xbox I see it give the choice of RGB and a few other things (as you know), but since I do not have RGB on my tv choices, I just set the TV to "Auto" and then the Xbox to "Source". To me that seemed like the most logical setting to make sure I am viewing the color as the source intended, and then hopefully my TV just automatically gets onboard to whatever that is .
Do you think this is a wrong setting ? My TV is so new, I am surprised it doesn't give me more choices. And what exactly are these ITU settings anyway ?
Originally Posted by bd2003
The only problem is that sometimes software isn't compliant with the setting. I think some of the valve games had their own setting for TV/PC in the options. VUDU on my PS3 completely crushes black if I try to set both to full as well.
There's no telling if or how software will react to it, although 99% of the time....it's fine. The safest thing is 16-235...it's the HDTV standard.
Ok, well after extensive testing, (BTW I only use my Xbox for video games, nothing else ever), I have noticed that the best setting for Skyrim (thats the whole thing this thread is practically over) is my TV HDMI Dynamic Range on "FULL" BUT the XBox on "Intermediate". I see all talk here about Expanded or Standard, but never Intermediate.
See, like you said, on Limited and Standard, everything looks fine. On Full and Expanded every single black area is just completely crushed/clipped. As in, I step into a shadow, and literally its a black hole of void, I can no longer see myself. And I can not see anything at all in shadowed areas... blacks are completely clipped.
But with Xbox on Intermediate and TV on Full, it looks like Standard and Limited, but with a touch better look and "pop". Blacks are not too dark, but they are slightly better than on STandard/Limited.
BUT when I try Intermediate/Limited, or any other combination not mentioned it either looks washed out (no blacks) or complete black clipping (too much blacks).
So is this correct sounding ? What exactly is Intermediate ? And why would it look best with my TV on Full ? Or is it my imagination ? Also, what about my color choices issue I described above ? Any input on that ?
Originally Posted by OARevolution
Hmmm if it created black crush with both the display and system set to Full RGB, wouldn't it also crush the blacks with both set to limited RGB? If the software is displaying out of whack black levels wouldn't you have to counteract that by setting your display to Full rgb and sytem to limited? Normally that would would give you a washed out look, and is incorrect, but in that situation it would actually fix the problem.
The only time I have really noticed incorrect black levels was when Microsoft came out with there last dashboard update and apps that played video would be all washed out. I would have to set my display to limited and leave my Xbox at full to get rid of the washed out look and get the correct levels for video playback. It didn't effect games though, just video playback in apps. It's a problem on an app by app basis, and some of them have been fixed.
Well as I stated above, he seems to be correct, as when I have my Xbox on "Expanded" and my TV on "Full" Skyrim is in total over blacked out territory. Just as he described his movies. Though I'm still debating if this is my TV's issue for not accepting a "Expanded" signal, or not being able to switch to RGB or whatever ?
Originally Posted by techfreak191
OP, I haven't read everybody's responses on the topic, but here's my two:
I own, a 2008 Sony BRAVIA LCD TV, and the "Standard" setting without a doubt, works the best. I got my console hooked up through HDMI, for the record, and play at 1080p. Color space - Auto.
If you want your TV to use Expanded at 1080p, you may need to calibrate it, to get the desired result. However, I doubt it'll have an impact and the blacks will most likely look really black, and the greys may continue to look a little black. A "black crush", in other words.
On the other hand, if you select a PC resolution like 1366 X 768, where all the enhancement settings are greyed out in the menu, you'll need to use the expanded setting to see the grays and blacks accurately. I'm not going to dive into a lot of detail, but now you have two options on the table.
In either case, you'll get accurate colors, no matter how old or new your TV is. Don't rely too much on the hype or info you read on the internet. Although AVS is probably one of the best resources online to get the facts straight!
Just stick to 1080p with the Standard setting, and enjoy the gaming experience!
Thanks for the input. I seemed to have found a awesome setting, which as I am asking above, I don't know why it is more awesome, it just is. XBox set to "Intermediate" and my TV to "Full", color space on TV set to "Auto" and on XBox set to "Source". But I am unsure if this is just because of Skyrim ? Or what ?
Also, do you know why Sony seems to not give us a RGB choice in Color Space ?
Has anyone heard that the XBox has Gamma issues ? Like its Gamma is off ? I heard this somewhere. I got a awesome calibration BD and calibrated my TV by myself, it looks AWESOME for bluRay movies, etc.. on my Oppo BDP. HA HA, I was trippin though, cause my plan was to also put in my XBox and calibrate it to it (since I heard this Gamma issue) so I could get the Xbox looking "correct"..... well, as we know, (cause it totally slipped my mind) the XBox would not play my Disney WOW calibration BD ! LOL -- SO now I can not calibrate to my XBox.