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I could not get over how amazing the presentation of NBA 2K14 is! I recorded a couple of quick vids and sent it out to friends and they were blown away. I also downloaded the new Max game which looks pretty cool.

On another separate note... I have a McIntosh MX151 pre -pro and I freaking love saying Xbox volume up, mute or etc. works perfect every time. Considering there are no DirecTv codes for this high end component this is really impressive! Loving my Xbox One more and more each day. Ryse and DR3 marathons coming soon!

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Totally agree on nba. It is taking a lot of static for glitches but my jaw drops every time I play it.
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I saw this in another forum so I thought it might help people who are having problems using the "Xbox, On" command.

Many people place the emphasis on the "X" and say "box" at a much lower volume. Flip it around. when pronouncing it, say, emphasize the BOX, like if you're going "bawk, bawk, bawk" like a chicken. "xBOX, On."

I tried it out for kicks and it actually was 100% reliable this way. Kind of shocking actually.
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Anybody with Copy of NBA 2k14. Is there any way to check your win loss record for online games?
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it's always funny to see that many people who call themselves hardcore are never playing games much anymore. now they dabble here and there. I'm sorry but if you no longer have the time to play games and I mean really play games, you are no longer hardcore. If you spend the majority of time taking care of real life events and don't have the time to pour hours into things, you've lost hardcore status. It's what happens to many of us as we get older and get more responsibilities. Seems like a lot of "hardcore gamers" here are trying to hold on to that title as if it stays off middle age-ism. but it's okay to no longer be hardcore. it means you have a real life. biggrin.gif

What if people were to say "I would be Hardcore if I had more time to play". That's pretty much the boat I'm in. Wife. 2 Kids. Full time job with Homeland Security. Doesn't leave enough time for "hardcore" gaming.
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Bingo!

I've never understand complaining about something that you have total control over. If you dont like something why continue to use it?

Hell why not just buy a ps4 now? Nothing is stopping him from selling the XB1 and buying the PS4. Chances are he would come out even on the transaction.

It's not that simple though.  What if he is a halo fan, he is supposed to forego the series and buy a ps4 just because the Xbox offers features he doesn't want.  That is a very narrow way of looking at it.  I use the tv features but I don't really care about them.  I just like saying xbox on when it works lol. 

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The hdmi pass through is only cool for tv and only if the console is actually on.  If it was true pass through I would have wanted it in PS4 definitely.
That's what I thought in the beginning - figured WTF? now I have to have the Xbox on drawing current? A simple HDMI splitter solved the problem..............I do however find myself using the "hub" aspect of the xbox more & more. Maybe if I had a more advanced cable box or TV I might feel differently but the Xbox gives me games, streaming, and TV all in one = I can go from one to the other in a second. It's one of those things I didn't think would be as good as it is.

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I imagine a majority of PS4 owners would have paid 100 more if they could have had this kind of accessibility, hdmi pass thru, and next gen interactivity. Let's not turn the xbox one into a wii. This is not about motion games or gimmicks to draw your mother-in-law into a bowling game. They created a great hub for audio visual gamers.

I'll go as far as to say this....I would consider paying $100 to have them in a receiver or smart TV. That's where this fast switching stuff would be far more valuable. A hub implies it can integrate many devices, but it can't. It's one console that integrates one cable box. It works with only the games and services that microsoft ratifies, in the way microsoft wants. That's not a knock against microsoft per se, but other devices just don't fit into their vision. I don't want to be bound by the capabilities of just one device. I can see the value in the idea, in the features themselves, but unless I can integrate them in the way that works best for me, they don't have much value in the end.

Ultimately it's not versatile enough to be a proper hub, and even putting power/performance issues aside, no single console/device can cover all my gaming needs. An Xbox that doesn't have an HDMI in, kinect, even a bluray drive....just a simple little box for $249 that I could download exclusive X1 games to would be far more interesting and valuable to me. Maybe in a few years time that'll be available.

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The Upload Studio received an update plus there is a new Microsoft walk through video.
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I'll go as far as to say this....I would consider paying $100 to have them in a receiver or smart TV. That's where this fast switching stuff would be far more valuable.

I'm sure many of us own "Smart" TVs and realize that the vast majority of them have severely underpowered CPUs or burdened with poorly written software that never really get updated and make a tablet feel like a speed demon. the "smart" features in a TV are at the bottom of my features checklist for a TV. The Xbox is much closer to the performance of a PC than a tablet and way above the level of a "smart" TV. Paying for a smart TV is wasted money that should rather go toward a better picture, better sound, etc. What good is the feature if the performance and feature set for the "smart" aspects are bad? Have you seen the Kinect-like Samsung smart TVs where they do gestures and voice commands? After you use that, you realize how special the real Kinect actually is.
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What if people were to say "I would be Hardcore if I had more time to play". That's pretty much the boat I'm in. Wife. 2 Kids. Full time job with Homeland Security. Doesn't leave enough time for "hardcore" gaming.

it's only a label. a label that sounds special but no reason to hold onto it if you don't actually do it. I used to be a hardcore snowboarder but now with work/family/school/responsibilities, I'm lucky if I get to the slopes two or three times a year.
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I'm sure many of us own "Smart" TVs and realize that the vast majority of them have severely underpowered CPUs or burdened with poorly written software that never really get updated and make a tablet feel like a speed demon. the "smart" features in a TV are at the bottom of my features checklist for a TV. The Xbox is much closer to the performance of a PC than a tablet and way above the level of a "smart" TV. Paying for a smart TV is wasted money that should rather go toward a better picture, better sound, etc. What good is the feature if the performance and feature set for the "smart" aspects are bad? Have you seen the Kinect-like Samsung smart TVs where they do gestures and voice commands? After you use that, you realize how special the real Kinect actually is.

Yeah, I recognize that. I guess I'm talking in theory about a smart TV or AVR interface that doesn't suck. But it's that same line of thought that makes the X1 the wrong device for this kind of integration. What good is the integration if the performance and feature set for gaming aren't good enough? What if the game you want to play or the online service you want to access isn't even available on the x1? In that sense paying for all those extra features, kinect, etc is wasted money that should have gone towards making it a better gaming device.

If all your needs are met by just the Xbox and a cable box, then the integration makes sense and there's legitimate added value. Same way a smart TV, despite its limitations, could be very valuable to just the right person. In either case, as soon as you step outside that bubble it's no longer added value, but a barrier to entry. It's like the modern version of the VCR/TV combo.

If the HDMI in port didn't have so much latency, and you could rig up kinect to control an HDMI splitter, then it could serve as a proper hub.

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I'll go as far as to say this....I would consider paying $100 to have them in a receiver or smart TV. That's where this fast switching stuff would be far more valuable. A hub implies it can integrate many devices, but it can't. It's one console that integrates one cable box. It works with only the games and services that microsoft ratifies, in the way microsoft wants. That's not a knock against microsoft per se, but other devices just don't fit into their vision. I don't want to be bound by the capabilities of just one device. I can see the value in the idea, in the features themselves, but unless I can integrate them in the way that works best for me, they don't have much value in the end.

Ultimately it's not versatile enough to be a proper hub, and even putting power/performance issues aside, no single console/device can cover all my gaming needs. An Xbox that doesn't have an HDMI in, kinect, even a bluray drive....just a simple little box for $249 that I could download exclusive X1 games to would be far more interesting and valuable to me. Maybe in a few years time that'll be available.
Now this I agree with. I have a pretty good surround system and several HDMI devices, the only thing the Xbone does for me is play games.
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Yeah, I recognize that. I guess I'm talking in theory about a smart TV or AVR interface that doesn't suck. .....................
Which will never happen as they're static. You buy them & it's done, over, it is what it is. That's the beauty of the console it gets upgrades. I'd have to say that was one of the best things about the PS3 - it constantly remained one of the best blu ray players on the market = upgrades. Consoles get upgraded & enhanced over their iives as of yet nobody has done the same for TV or AVR.

Is it the perfect "do all" box? Heck no..........but it certainly integrates 3 of the main uses for a display. It gives you a "roku/apple tv", gaming, and cable/sat TV in a relatively slick interface that functions pretty well for being @ such an early stage.

If you want a uni-tasker there's other units, beauty of being a consumer you can get what you want............but it's pretty evident how far ahead MS is in the media box with the Xbox One.

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Even if it does not integrate with other components fully I consider the IR blaster a huge value. I know it sounds silly but the simple power on/off control over 4 different components in the room with one word really is cool. It is hard to go back. Yes, of course you can use a universal remote but with teenagers that becomes a job in itself trying to find the thing.

I primarily utilize music/receiver, tv, netflix, games and and satellite so I am probably biased as it does swap seamlessly between those. I can see if you had other needs it could come up a little short of automating everything. I do wish they had 2 hdmi in but so far not a limitation.
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I need some assistance with my setup. I want to plug my Xbox One directly into my TV with HDMI instead of my receiver to avoid any lag being added by the receiver. I originally set iup the audio with an optical cable, but that is limited to DTS at the moment. Is there a way to plug the Xbox One directly into the TV, and then use ARC on the TV to send the sound via HDMI to my receiver? My TV supports ARC on HDMI 2, and I have my Xbox connected to HDMI3.

I just don't know if this is supported with ARC, or if ARC only works with the apps on the TV like Netflix. I can't choose 5.1 uncompressed in the Xbox One settings when it is plugged directly into my TV. It only lets me select Stereo.

Am I crazy, or is there a way to get this to work?
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I need some assistance with my setup. I want to plug my Xbox One directly into my TV with HDMI instead of my receiver to avoid any lag being added by the receiver. I originally set iup the audio with an optical cable, but that is limited to DTS at the moment. Is there a way to plug the Xbox One directly into the TV, and then use ARC on the TV to send the sound via HDMI to my receiver? My TV supports ARC on HDMI 2, and I have my Xbox connected to HDMI3.

I just don't know if this is supported with ARC, or if ARC only works with the apps on the TV like Netflix. I can't choose 5.1 uncompressed in the Xbox One settings when it is plugged directly into my TV. It only lets me select Stereo.

Am I crazy, or is there a way to get this to work?

Because the tv cannot process what you reciever is designed to do. You can go on the other side of the setup to get the results if the X1 was plugged where it should be in the reciever for surround.

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Because the tv cannot process what you reciever is designed to do. You can go on the other side of the setup to get the results if the X1 was plugged where it should be in the reciever for surround.
It seems like it should work. I can get sound when I set HDMI to stereo. It won't let me select 5.1, 7.1, or DTS when I have HDMI set to auto detect on the Xbox. If I turn off autodetect for HDMI, I can select 5.1, but then I receive no sound. As soon as I change back to stereo I have sound through ARC. Tried a different HDMI cable and had the same result too.
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Bingo!

I've never understand complaining about something that you have total control over. If you dont like something why continue to use it?

Hell why not just buy a ps4 now? Nothing is stopping him from selling the XB1 and buying the PS4. Chances are he would come out even on the transaction.

I say Bingo +1 on this point.

This is exactly the rationale I used to take my path this generation. All of the stuff PS4 and Xbox One were unimportant to me right now. With my HDTV, Blu-Ray, FiOS, Harmony Remote integration with my Xbox 360, HT system and a new amped up Gaming PC...I just didn't see much need to trade up to a new console model. Especially in 2013. What was most important to me was Backward Compatibility. And neither of the 2 new consoles offered it. So I passed on both. I wanted access to all of the games I didn't play on my Xbox 360 along with the 3000 plus games I never touched on PS3. BC on either system would have moved me to buy a new console immediately. Especially Xbox One. My plan up until about May was to early adopt XB1...rebuild my PC in anticipation of Oculus Rift in 2014...and Buy a Holiday PS3 to gain access to that library (and use it with Xbox 360 controller). So the lack of BC killed off both consoles for me anytime soon. I still love XB1's potential to link with Win 8 PC down the road. And I hope Microsoft actually does it. Because I'll buy it or pass completely with what they do on this and how they do it. I personally love the Xbox ecosystem. And would just love exploring it on Xbox One and PC. So I don't really have a "complaint". I'm not even disappointed anymore. Because I just did what many had suggested to others in this forum. "If you want BC, just stick with the Xbox 360". That's what I did and doubled down on it. Plus I bought a new PS3 for their game library.

I will actually miss Halo 5 if they don't release it for Xbox 360. Although I highly doubt MS will walk away from so many Halo/X360 sales. So I expect it will release for both consoles. If not...so be it. I'll probably be more absorbed playing Half Life 3 or Mass Effect 4 (or ME Trilogy Redux) on Oculus Rift anyway. My bottom line was really simple in the end. The game libraries with the new consoles were too severely limited. And the expected PQ & Features differences didn't make a difference to me. I know the games will get better over time. But I can enjoy them in full glory on PC right now. And the games need to get price competitive with other platforms like PC and Mobile IMO. And I don't see that kind of momentum happening with consoles. They had an opportunity to do it with BC...but blew it IMO.

I wanted a new XB1 badly. I tried up until the very last minute to convince myself to buy one for Christmas. I was even thinking of just sitting on it a year until Halo 5 released, because I had zero interest in any of the early release games. But I resisted that goofy urge to just impulse buy out of habit. I still intend to grab an XB1 circa 2015-2016 if they do something similar to what BD2003 suggested earlier on this page. If Microsoft miraculously made it BC...I would sell 2 of my 3 Xbox 360's immediately and buy one. But that is just dreaming IMO. So I just pretty much did what Daekwan suggested. Except it was XB360 and PS3...and moved on.
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I say Bingo +1 on this point.

This is exactly the rationale I used to take my path this generation. All of the stuff PS4 and Xbox One were unimportant to me right now. With my HDTV, Blu-Ray, FiOS, Harmony Remote integration with my Xbox 360, HT system and a new amped up Gaming PC...I just didn't see much need to trade up to a new console model. Especially in 2013. What was most important to me was Backward Compatibility. And neither of the 2 new consoles offered it. So I passed on both. I wanted access to all of the games I didn't play on my Xbox 360 along with the 3000 plus games I never touched on PS3. BC on either system would have moved me to buy a new console immediately. Especially Xbox One. My plan up until about May was to early adopt XB1...rebuild my PC in anticipation of Oculus Rift in 2014...and Buy a Holiday PS3 to gain access to that library (and use it with Xbox 360 controller). So the lack of BC killed off both consoles for me anytime soon. I still love XB1's potential to link with Win 8 PC down the road. And I hope Microsoft actually does it. Because I'll buy it or pass completely with what they do on this and how they do it. I personally love the Xbox ecosystem. And would just love exploring it on Xbox One and PC. So I don't really have a "complaint". I'm not even disappointed anymore. Because I just did what many had suggested to others in this forum. "If you want BC, just stick with the Xbox 360". That's what I did and doubled down on it. Plus I bought a new PS3 for their game library.

I will actually miss Halo 5 if they don't release it for Xbox 360. Although I highly doubt MS will walk away from so many Halo/X360 sales. So I expect it will release for both consoles. If not...so be it. I'll probably be more absorbed playing Half Life 3 or Mass Effect 4 (or ME Trilogy Redux) on Oculus Rift anyway. My bottom line was really simple in the end. The game libraries with the new consoles were too severely limited. And the expected PQ & Features differences didn't make a difference to me. I know the games will get better over time. But I can enjoy them in full glory on PC right now. And the games need to get price competitive with other platforms like PC and Mobile IMO. And I don't see that kind of momentum happening with consoles. They had an opportunity to do it with BC...but blew it IMO.

I wanted a new XB1 badly. I tried up until the very last minute to convince myself to buy one for Christmas. I was even thinking of just sitting on it a year until Halo 5 released, because I had zero interest in any of the early release games. But I resisted that goofy urge to just impulse buy out of habit. I still intend to grab an XB1 circa 2015-2016 if they do something similar to what BD2003 suggested earlier on this page. If Microsoft miraculously made it BC...I would sell 2 of my 3 Xbox 360's immediately and buy one. But that is just dreaming IMO. So I just pretty much did what Daekwan suggested. Except it was XB360 and PS3...and moved on.

No Halo 5 isn't coming to the 360 and install base doesn't matter. It would have been announced song side the reveal and would be a backwards to say surprise Halo 5 is coming to the 360. Why isn't Forza 5 or Dead Rising 3 on the 360? Same reason Killzone 4 and Infamous are not going to come to the PS3. To showcase their respective new systems.

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I need some assistance with my setup. I want to plug my Xbox One directly into my TV with HDMI instead of my receiver to avoid any lag being added by the receiver. I originally set iup the audio with an optical cable, but that is limited to DTS at the moment. Is there a way to plug the Xbox One directly into the TV, and then use ARC on the TV to send the sound via HDMI to my receiver? My TV supports ARC on HDMI 2, and I have my Xbox connected to HDMI3.

I just don't know if this is supported with ARC, or if ARC only works with the apps on the TV like Netflix. I can't choose 5.1 uncompressed in the Xbox One settings when it is plugged directly into my TV. It only lets me select Stereo.

Am I crazy, or is there a way to get this to work?

You should not have to worry about any lag introduced from the receiver. Just make sure any video processing in the receiver is turned off and make sure the TV is set to game mode. I run my XBOne into my DVDO DUO. It is set on game mode and then the audio runs over hDMi to my receiver while the video goes to my TV. I don't have any lag issues. My PS4 is setup the same way. As was my 360 and PS3. Even when I ran video and audio through my receiver after my DUO, I had no lag issues. Although I only stopped sending video through my receiver because is does not handle 3D.

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What gaming headsets do you guys recommend for the X1? I have never owned a headset for gaming, so I am as ignorant as it gets.

I've been using a TB DX12 with a hack to the XB1 mini mic/head set. Works fine. Same set up works with a PS4 as well with the PS4 Chat adapter.

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I need some assistance with my setup. I want to plug my Xbox One directly into my TV with HDMI instead of my receiver to avoid any lag being added by the receiver. I originally set iup the audio with an optical cable, but that is limited to DTS at the moment. Is there a way to plug the Xbox One directly into the TV, and then use ARC on the TV to send the sound via HDMI to my receiver? My TV supports ARC on HDMI 2, and I have my Xbox connected to HDMI3.

I just don't know if this is supported with ARC, or if ARC only works with the apps on the TV like Netflix. I can't choose 5.1 uncompressed in the Xbox One settings when it is plugged directly into my TV. It only lets me select Stereo.

Am I crazy, or is there a way to get this to work?

As others have pointed out, for source components connected to the TV via HDMI and then passed out as ARC, you will only get 2.0... for OTA and built in apps, you will get 5.1 as provided.

Just curious, but why do you think your receiver will add noticeable lag?
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What gaming headsets do you guys recommend for the X1? I have never owned a headset for gaming, so I am as ignorant as it gets.

I'm using Audio Technica ATH-AD700 headphones with an AntLion ModMic. I also did one of the mods to the X1 headset so I could use the controller adapter with my Astro Mixamp.

I prefer headphones over headsets.
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As others have pointed out, for source components connected to the TV via HDMI and then passed out as ARC, you will only get 2.0... for OTA and built in apps, you will get 5.1 as provided.

Just curious, but why do you think your receiver will add noticeable lag?
Depending on how old the receiver may be they may not have ARC capabilities on it. If I remember right that is an HDMI 1.4 and above feature. I know my Denon 3808CI does not have it since it is 1.3a HDMI inputs.

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Depending on how old the receiver may be they may not have ARC capabilities on it. If I remember right that is an HDMI 1.4 and above feature. I know my Denon 3808CI does not have it since it is 1.3a HDMI inputs.

Yes no HDMi 1.4. I also have the 3808. It can't handle 3D either since it doesn't have HDMI 1.4

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HDMI requires that the television check the downstream device's audio capability. Most televisions will say that they can handle 2.0 or 2.1 channel sound so that's what will be mixed and sent to it.

I don't know about ARC, but what people commonly try to do is run HDMI into their televisions and S/PDIF (optical or coax) from there into their AVRs, hoping to get DD or DTS 5.1. Dave Zatz recently tested a bunch televisions for that ability and posted about it in his blog here.
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Depending on how old the receiver may be they may not have ARC capabilities on it. If I remember right that is an HDMI 1.4 and above feature. I know my Denon 3808CI does not have it since it is 1.3a HDMI inputs.

What des that have to do with AVR lag?

The OP was using ARC in his setup to try and avoid lag, which was what the discussion was about.....

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