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I prefer an internal SSD, which is what I'm going to look into if I ever get an Xbox One. By the time the next revision comes, there should be more 1TB or larger SSDs.
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Do any of the Xbox 1 bundles include the physical disk ?

I really wanted to get a Sunset Overdrive bundle, until I found out it was a download code.
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I think I'd still prefer the internal. I can always find a use for a HDD, I still have the stock PS4 drive in an enclosure.

Hopefully they don't do what they did with the 360 and create a proprietary internal drive.

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Do any of the Xbox 1 bundles include the physical disk ?

I really wanted to get a Sunset Overdrive bundle, until I found out it was a download code.
Why would you get a disc when you are getting it for free and a 50 discount.

I just dont get it. If this was to have the disc it would cost you about 50 more.

MS and Sony would give you a free game only via DD which is cost effective for them

Getting a disc is costly for them when they are giving it for free
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I think I'd still prefer the internal. I can always find a use for a HDD, I still have the stock PS4 drive in an enclosure.

Hopefully they don't do what they did with the 360 and create a proprietary internal drive.
The drive is not proprietary but there is - apparently - a physical security mechanism that Microsoft built into the HDD assembly that will notify Microsoft that your console has been tampered with and that results in your console being banned from the service and your account gets locked as well.
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Why would you get a disc when you are getting it for free and a 50 discount.

I just dont get it. If this was to have the disc it would cost you about 50 more.

MS and Sony would give you a free game only via DD which is cost effective for them

Getting a disc is costly for them when they are giving it for free
You're telling me that stamping a blu ray disk costs MS $50 ?
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On the topic of buying an xbox one bundle (assassins creed bundle since its basically a free game), i dont really have interest in the game, can you sell it on ebay, i am a pretty casual gamer so i dont know how this works or if it could be trouble. I have been on ebay for 8 years and have 100% feedback, but i want to make sure if i buy an xbox one and try to sell the digital code if thats possible or if I will run into any problems.
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On the topic of buying an xbox one bundle (assassins creed bundle since its basically a free game), i dont really have interest in the game, can you sell it on ebay, i am a pretty casual gamer so i dont know how this works or if it could be trouble. I have been on ebay for 8 years and have 100% feedback, but i want to make sure if i buy an xbox one and try to sell the digital code if thats possible or if I will run into any problems.
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Is it possible to run an optical cable and a hdmi cable from my xbox one to my receiver without causing any conflicts?
I assume, to use the Optical Cable, I would go into sound preferences, and choose optical connection, which would elimante the HDMI from doing audio, and only video?

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Is it possible to run an optical cable and a hdmi cable from my xbox one to my receiver without causing any conflicts?
I assume, to use the Optical Cable, I would go into sound preferences, and choose optical connection, which would elimante the HDMI from doing audio, and only video?
Yup, no issue with simultaneous output thru optical and HDMI. That's how I have mine hooked up. My audio receiver does not have HDMI.
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most likely that would work. does your receiver not do audio over hdmi?
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most likely that would work. does your receiver not do audio over hdmi?
It does, but HDMI has induced LAG with this game, which I don't want when learning to play. The company, Ubisoft, who made rocksmith 2014 also do not recommend HDMI for audio, but optical to get rid of lag.

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It does, but HDMI has induced LAG with this game, which I don't want when learning to play. The company, Ubisoft, who made rocksmith 2014 also do not recommend HDMI for audio, but optical to get rid of lag.
There is no game mode on the receiver and/or TV? I run through a video processor before going to my receiver which then goes to my TV. I run my video processor in game mode. I've not run into any lag issues over HDMI yet. If I didn't use game mode though I would probably see some.

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Some people don't experience perceptible lag in Rocksmith using HDMI into an AVR; I'm one of them, at least on my 360--I haven't tried it on the One yet. (If my AVR, an Onkyo TX-NR515, has a game audio mode I wasn't aware of it).

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Why would you get a disc when you are getting it for free and a 50 discount.

I just dont get it. If this was to have the disc it would cost you about 50 more.

MS and Sony would give you a free game only via DD which is cost effective for them

Getting a disc is costly for them when they are giving it for free
$50 for a disc is pretty high. If MS was truly serious about DD they would make them cheaper than physical media, which has yet to happen.

I think many people prefer discs for trading or resale purposes. For me, with the exception of the occasional must have blu-ray, my XBOne purchases are all digital.
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I think had Microsoft launched it's Game with Gold program sooner, shown off some great digital sale prices, and maybe even piloted digital rental, then their original XB1 digital rights plans wouldn't have faced the opposition.

I never installed anything to my 360 hard drive that I didn't have to. Within the last year or so I was able to take advantage of the free games like Gears of War and Assassin's Creed 2. LA Noire and Red Dead Redemption were $7.50 one weekend.

So what that did was prove to me that digital distribution wasn't going to be $60 until the game was old and it sold for $40, or $30, etc. I don't run out trying to buy used games, I just don't care enough to want them for $60 immediately at release.

Given that I have to install everything on my Xbox One, and a great game like Titanfall is already $25, I think I will take more advantage of digital sales this time around. But I do think having a used games market is important to putting pressure on Xbox Live digital selling prices.

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$50 for a disc is pretty high. If MS was truly serious about DD they would make them cheaper than physical media, which has yet to happen.

I think many people prefer discs for trading or resale purposes. For me, with the exception of the occasional must have blu-ray, my XBOne purchases are all digital.
This is not about the price of DD or disc. This is about people feeling like they are being screwed by MS because their FREE game is a digital code and not a disc where they CAN make money back on by selling or trading it to GS or BB.

If the console was 400 then i would say bitch about not getting a disc. But when you are getting the game for FREE I think is petty and ignorant to bitch to MS that you wont buy a bundle because the FREE game is not a disc.

That I see as ignorant.
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This is not about the price of DD or disc. This is about people feeling like they are being screwed by MS because their FREE game is a digital code and not a disc where they CAN make money back on by selling or trading it to GS or BB.

If the console was 400 then i would say bitch about not getting a disc. But when you are getting the game for FREE I think is petty and ignorant to bitch to MS that you wont buy a bundle because the FREE game is not a disc.

That I see as ignorant.
I agree and if you want you can easily sell the digital code on eBay or craigslist. It's simple... No one should complain about FREE lol.

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Calling it free is a little bit of a stretch, don't you think?

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Calling it free is a little bit of a stretch, don't you think?
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This is not about the price of DD or disc. This is about people feeling like they are being screwed by MS because their FREE game is a digital code and not a disc where they CAN make money back on by selling or trading it to GS or BB.

If the console was 400 then i would say bitch about not getting a disc. But when you are getting the game for FREE I think is petty and ignorant to bitch to MS that you wont buy a bundle because the FREE game is not a disc.

That I see as ignorant.
"Petty and ignorant" are strong words. I believe the original question was, does MS offer any Xbox 1 bundles that include a physical disc. I did not perceive the question as whiny or unreasonable. Xbox has a history of offering bundles with physical media, though it is clear they have moved away from this model and are trying to force the issue on a resistant gaming population. IMHO of course.
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Not to the guy that has pay for his copy

It's like saying the controller is free. Everyone had to pay one way or another, it's part of a package.

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"Petty and ignorant" are strong words. I believe the original question was, does MS offer any Xbox 1 bundles that include a physical disc. I did not perceive the question as whiny or unreasonable. Xbox has a history of offering bundles with physical media, though it is clear they have moved away from this model and are trying to force the issue on a resistant gaming population. IMHO of course.
Nothing about this is forced. Before they didn't have day one digital downloads available to make bundles in the past. That has all changed. Neither company is thinking about what happens to a game after it is sold bundled or standalone. All they worry about is getting the initial sale. Aftermarket has no factor in their strategy for aggressive pricing during the holidays. People want to sale the copy of the code then sale the copy of the code. Oh and yes, it is cheaper to ship a game on a card with a code vs a case, press of disc and sheet that used to be a game manual.

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It's like saying the controller is free. Everyone had to pay one way or another, it's part of a package.
I'm sorry but that went over my head. You gonna have to explain how a controller and a game are similar to me in this situation.
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Nothing about this is forced. Before they didn't have day one digital downloads available to make bundles in the past. That has all changed. Neither company is thinking about what happens to a game after it is sold bundled or standalone. All they worry about is getting the initial sale. Aftermarket has no factor in their strategy for aggressive pricing during the holidays. People want to sale the copy of the code then sale the copy of the code. Oh and yes, it is cheaper to ship a game on a card with a code vs a case, press of disc and sheet that used to be a game manual.
Codes for DD are certainly cheaper than physical media, which is why DD is normally cheaper to purchase than physical media. Unfortunately, Xbox DD games are still the same price as discs. During the pre-launch of the XBONE, I recall MS having a very strong DRM and all DD strategy. So yes they were initially trying to force the issue. Gamers quickly rebelled against this and MS changed their tune. IMO, it seems that MS is attempting, unsuccessfully so, to inch its gaming community towards an all digital future. Charging the same for DD as discs seems counterproductive to this strategy.
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I'd guess that if they wanted to differentiate prices between DD & disc, they would more likely increase disc prices rather than dropping DD prices.

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Codes for DD are certainly cheaper than physical media, which is why DD is normally cheaper to purchase than physical media. Unfortunately, Xbox DD games are still the same price as discs. During the pre-launch of the XBONE, I recall MS having a very strong DRM and all DD strategy. So yes they were initially trying to force the issue. Gamers quickly rebelled against this and MS changed their tune. IMO, it seems that MS is attempting, unsuccessfully so, to inch its gaming community towards an all digital future. Charging the same for DD as discs seems counterproductive to this strategy.
You do realize MS doesn't control what other publishers decide at the end of the day right? You do know the bundles are cheaper buying the disc, digital and console separately right? You also know EA has an app called EA Access that gives Xbox One owners 10% off any digital game purchased in addition to 6 hours access to the full version of games 5 days before release as well? You also get 10% discount on already discounted EA games in the MS store. Last year has come and gone. Most consumers don't know or care how we are here today. That whole movement about gamers pissed about policies is Internet forum post repeating the same post from the same people over and over. Price has been MS biggest enemy like it was for Sony and the PS3.
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I'm sorry but that went over my head. You gonna have to explain how a controller and a game are similar to me in this situation.
Cause whether its a game code or a controller, it's something that comes in a box that you paid hundreds of dollars for. There's nothing free about it.
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Cause whether its a game code or a controller, it's something that comes in a box that you paid hundreds of dollars for. There's nothing free about it.
I don't follow that logic, either. I'm sorry, but if you have option A...Xbox One, regular price, with controller, and no game. and option B...Xbox One, with a game and controller, either at the same price, or on special ...(like now)...You are, in essence, getting something for free.
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You do realize MS doesn't control what other publishers decide at the end of the day right? You do know the bundles are cheaper buying the disc, digital and console separately right? You also know EA has an app called EA Access that gives Xbox One owners 10% off any digital game purchased in addition to 6 hours access to the full version of games 5 days before release as well? You also get 10% discount on already discounted EA games in the MS store. Last year has come and gone. Most consumers don't know or care how we are here today. That whole movement about gamers pissed about policies is Internet forum post repeating the same post from the same people over and over. Price has been MS biggest enemy like it was for Sony and the PS3.
Great points. Price has certainly hurt MS this go around. I am all bought into MS digital evolution and look forward to the day when DD games are offered at a lower price point than discs.
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