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So now that the Xbox One doesn't push Kinect or TV on me...

When did they push TV on you? It's an option; I tried it, didn't care for it and never bothered with it again. My game consoles are for playing games. I don't run multimedia apps on them.

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Speak of apps...can you install those to an external drive too? Any faster with an SSD?

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When did they push TV on you? It's an option; I tried it, didn't care for it and never bothered with it again. My game consoles are for playing games. I don't run multimedia apps on them.
When the Xbox One was launching, Microsoft was pushing the TV integration option heavily. It didn't sit well with me because it didn't work very well, and I want my console to be primarily for game-related activities, which is what Sony was featuring.

They seem to be backing off on featuring that option.
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When the Xbox One was launching, Microsoft was pushing the TV integration option heavily. It didn't sit well with me because it didn't work very well, and I want my console to be primarily for game-related activities, which is what Sony was featuring.

They seem to be backing off on featuring that option.
The only way Microsoft has backed away from the TV features is killing the studio they created to make content. In all other ways they have continued forward with the original idea of integrating all forms of entertainment under the Xbox One. The perception may have changed, but if you look at what they are doing is no different that what they originally announced in terms of television/media.

And Sony has also taking giant steps to integrating television into the PS4 with their announced Vue initiative. Neither console is strictly a games only device.
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Speak of apps...can you install those to an external drive too? Any faster with an SSD?

You can transfer everything to an external drive and make it your primary drive, with the system drive used for overflow. Insofar as the app or game is disk I/O bound, it's sped up by a faster drive. People have used SSD's for it. Speed increases are not always dramatic.

I just bought a Seagate Backup Plus Fast, a USB powered 2 drive Raid 0 set in a pocket sized enclosure. Stupidly expensive for 4 GB but I had to have it 'cause it's just soooo cool . It was probably a horrible waste of money, but I'll survive .

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You can transfer everything to an external drive and make it your primary drive, with the system drive used for overflow. Insofar as the app or game is disk I/O bound, it's sped up by a faster drive. People have used SSD's for it. Speed increases are not always dramatic.

I just bought a Seagate Backup Plus Fast, a USB powered 2 drive Raid 0 set in a pocket sized enclosure. Stupidly expensive for 4 GB but I had to have it 'cause it's just soooo cool . It was probably a horrible waste of money, but I'll survive .
Hmph...I'm allergic to mechanical storage so I figured I'd just pop my spare 60GB SSD in an enclosure and use it for the few apps and games I'm ever likely to use on it, but apparently it needs to be 256GB+ to use it as app/game storage? Wtf?

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When the Xbox One was launching, Microsoft was pushing the TV integration option heavily. It didn't sit well with me because it didn't work very well, and I want my console to be primarily for game-related activities, which is what Sony was featuring.

They seem to be backing off on featuring that option.

If by "pushing" you mean advertising it, sure, but nothing in the system actually makes you use it, just as nothing in the system requires you to use Kinect (though the UI was a bit optimized for it). The advertising can be easily ignored.

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Shadow of Mordor was the tipping point for me I went and got a 5 TB drive today so I can have enough to download the game. The setup was pretty hassle free. I have not tested to see if the load times are faster, but I primarily care about not running out of space for a while.
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Hmph...I'm allergic to mechanical storage so I figured I'd just pop my spare 60GB SSD in an enclosure and use it for the few apps and games I'm ever likely to use on it, but apparently it needs to be 256GB+ to use it as app/game storage? Wtf?
What could you possibly use a 60GB drive for? Halo Collection alone takes up 59GB.
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What could you possibly use a 60GB drive for? Halo Collection alone takes up 59GB.

Literally the only game I'll ever play on it is cod, 60gb should be enough for one game and any apps.

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Speak of apps...can you install those to an external drive too? Any faster with an SSD?
All the games and apps can load faster from an SSD. An SSD is the only place I install all my games and apps on both my XBOnes.

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Hmph...I'm allergic to mechanical storage so I figured I'd just pop my spare 60GB SSD in an enclosure and use it for the few apps and games I'm ever likely to use on it, but apparently it needs to be 256GB+ to use it as app/game storage? Wtf?
Yes. When they announced external storage they said 250GB(or 256GB?) was the minimum size drive you could use. I use a 1TB SSD with my main XBOne. ANd I use two 480GB SSDs with my secondary XBOne.

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I have a 3 TB on my black One. Still looking for a good deal for a fast drive on my white One. All the deals are for slow drives.
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Yes. When they announced external storage they said 250GB(or 256GB?) was the minimum size drive you could use. I use a 1TB SSD with my main XBOne. ANd I use two 480GB SSDs with my secondary XBOne.

In general, a 1TB external USB 3.0 SSD will cost more than your Xbox . I don't see any advertised online for less than $450.

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In general, a 1TB external USB 3.0 SSD will cost more than your Xbox . I don't see any advertised online for less than $450.

I'm seeing a whole bunch for 350ish, but I guess that's still more expensive than an Xbox now.

With SSDs you don't need another enclosure, the 2.5" casing is already an enclosure. Just buy a USB3 to SATA cable:

http://www.startech.com/m/HDD/Adapte...P~USB3S2SAT3CB

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Shadow of Mordor was the tipping point for me I went and got a 5 TB drive today so I can have enough to download the game. The setup was pretty hassle free. I have not test to see if the load times are faster, but I primarily care about not running out of space for a while.

Got the 5TB drive this weekend as well, at Best Buy (only $130). I now have a 2TB portable solution, to easily move between multiple consoles, and have now added 5TB of DIRECT media storage through the X1, instant access (no other device, server, etc. needs to be powered on). I plan to swap out everything for faster drives someday but for right now, everything is performing nicely.
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I'm seeing a whole bunch for 350ish, but I guess that's still more expensive than an Xbox now.

With SSDs you don't need another enclosure, the 2.5" casing is already an enclosure. Just buy a USB3 to SATA cable:

http://www.startech.com/m/HDD/Adapte...P~USB3S2SAT3CB

and you should be fine.

Yeah, if you remove the enclosure requirement I see some for $350. Interesting "cable". Its claims for UASP performance enhancement are fascinating, but it seem highly unlikely that the Xbox One's USB 3.0 ports have the required hardware.

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Stupid black Friday.. I was doing pretty good and then realized I had $19.51 in MS credit. So with Middle Earth: Shadows of Mordor on sale for $29.99 (digital) I pulled the trigger on it since I have been wanting that game for a while. Now since I paid a whopping $10 for it I figure I may as well get the season pass for another $25 and get the full effect
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Finally sold off the PS4 this week, just before black Friday, after months of trying! Only got $320 cash, but better than spending another $50 for PSN renewal. FREEDOM!!!!!


For my troubles (pain and suffering for the past year), got a 5TB hard drive for the X1, Super Smash Bros., some good Bourbon, and over $100 cash in hand.


Maybe Sony can get their **** together by 2016. I really hope they can. This is not 1996, when Sony/PS last had any relevance from a AVS perspective, if only for the blu-ray player, not games obviously. At least then, turning it on for movies made it seem like a worthwhile investment.
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Yeah, if you remove the enclosure requirement I see some for $350. Interesting "cable". Its claims for UASP performance enhancement are fascinating, but it seem highly unlikely that the Xbox One's USB 3.0 ports have the required hardware.

I doubt it too, but it should work just fine anyway. It's just the first thing that came up when I googled. I mean technically this cable will work just fine with a 2.5" HDD too, but it might look a little silly with the exposed components and all.

I figure most of the external SSDs look more like big USB sticks? It'd be kinda silly if they made them look like HDDs, most of the 2.5" SSDs are just empty space inside.

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Finally sold off the PS4 this week, just before black Friday, after months of trying! Only got $320 cash, but better than spending another $50 for PSN renewal. FREEDOM!!!!!


For my troubles (pain and suffering for the past year), got a 5TB hard drive for the X1, Super Smash Bros., some good Bourbon, and over $100 cash in hand.


Maybe Sony can get their **** together by 2016. I really hope they can. This is not 1996, when Sony/PS last had any relevance from a AVS perspective, if only for the blu-ray player, not games obviously. At least then, turning it on for movies made it seem like a worthwhile investment.
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FINALLY! I'm happy for you. Does that mean you'll stop coming over to the Sony forum and constantly tell everyone how you hate it? You know, kind of like a kid in grade school does?

With that said, I keep beating around the idea of grabbing that $329 One bundle with Unity, but then I'd need to get XBOX Live on top of that. Hard to justify when there aren't too many games I want and I don't play online multiplayer outside of coop (Sunset Overdrive is about the only one, but that looks like it'd get boring real fast). Might just wait and see if there is another sale before Christmas.
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I figure most of the external SSDs look more like big USB sticks? It'd be kinda silly if they made them look like HDDs, most of the 2.5" SSDs are just empty space inside.

They're generally the size of cell phones--see this and this. That first drive is actually billed as being for Xbox One ). The one that I bought is the same form factor as the 2nd image, only being 2 drives stacked in the same enclosure it's .9" thick.

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Stupid black Friday.. I was doing pretty good and then realized I had $19.51 in MS credit.

I lately realized that I have $25 and change in MS credit; I have no idea why cause I don't remember buying a code at a discount or anything recently. I should buy something during the sale .
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Hey Brad, nothing I can say here that is positive towards the PS4 but you're right, I lost the right to complain.


I would gladly let you borrow and hopefully try out the X1, I'll even drive half way down to you man!


The current fragmentation and confusion sucks!


Its all because MS thought they could get away with a console that was $100 more expensive, based on loyalty alone, at launch. UGGGGH!!!


I hope everyone can eventually just play games together again one day. With no obstacles, EYERYONE on a common platform (with headsets ) just like the past 2 generations!
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In general, a 1TB external USB 3.0 SSD will cost more than your Xbox . I don't see any advertised online for less than $450.
I got my 1TB Samsung 840 EVO for $390 in September from Newegg. I paid around $530 for the launch XBOne(after taxes and shipping from BestBuy) I'm using it with.(The vantec USB 3.0 enclosures cost $18 each on sale from Newegg)

Still though that is a lot for 1TB. But when I think about all the 250GB and 300GB drives I purchased in 2002/2003 for close to $300, it doesn't sound bad at all.

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I'm seeing a whole bunch for 350ish, but I guess that's still more expensive than an Xbox now.

With SSDs you don't need another enclosure, the 2.5" casing is already an enclosure. Just buy a USB3 to SATA cable:

http://www.startech.com/m/HDD/Adapte...P~USB3S2SAT3CB

and you should be fine.
What kind of speeds does that get? With my current Vantec enclosures, when I tested them on a PC, it topped out a little over 3.2Gb/s.(400MB/s). WHich was still slower than the over 4Gb/s the drive gets connected directly to a SATA3 port, but considering it was using a USB 3.0 enclosure that didn't sound bad. But I never really tested any other USB 3.0 enclosures.

EDIT: I see Amazon has it for $12.50.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HJZJI84/...l_9ohlpm8ce5_e

I might just pick one it since it should come in very handy. AS long as it gets decent speeds.

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Hey! I still use my PS4. Just not nearly as often as my XBOnes. Earlier this quarter I was seriously thinking about getting a secondary PS4 but I realized that there were very few games coming out for it over the next six months I wanted. Although It was very hard not to pull the trigger on the $330 PS4 deal yesterday. But in the end I decided to wait.

I'll most likely get a second PS4 sometime next year. Well maybe. And then if MS shrinks the components down on the XBOne, I at least swap out my main XBOne with the newer, lower power XBOne version.
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Just out of curiosity:
What's the purpose of using external drives w/ the One in the 1st place?
What's so bad about the PS4?

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