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post #91 of 141 Old 07-20-2013, 08:05 AM
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The suggestion that other technologies are no different is not made without the knowledge that things can be bought without cameras. Though not many exist I'm sure they may exist. However, even if a phone does not have a camera or GPS you don't think someone can listen in on your cell conversations? You haven't heard of police tracking down folks based on cell phone tower location? The suggestion is made to make the concerned think about all the other "trackable" things they use around them. My bet would be most in this thread who are so concerned about Kinect likely have a smartphone or a tablet and that it has a cellular phone signal, wifi, cell data access, and a camera. My bet would be people also link their emails to their phones, take private photos on their photos, keep a day planner on the phone, and since it's a phone have all their contacts on their phone. So if you're so worried you should fry your phone instead of worrying about Kinect. And seriously, someone who's going to worry about Kinect and the NSA is really going to post anti-government opinions on a public forum? Sure someone is going to say freedom of speech... blah..blah. Well I say if you trust your country to provide you with the freedom of speech to voice a differing opinion, you'd like to be able to trust that they use the info they gather properly and not jerk off to your kid playing Kinect Sports.

I'm not saying privacy isn't important but it's just funny where some folks draw the lines. Guess I'll just be happy and naive in my paranoia that their is no way I can avoid having most of my privacy taken away in our current culture/society. So, actually I agree with all points of view in this thread but Kinect does not scare me. I figure I'm already screwed so I might as well not worry about it, for now, until they cross my line. Again, buying both PS4 and XB1 at launch so I'm supporting two companies with anti-consumer histories.
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Hypothetically if Microsoft was a Chinese company, would you still feel the same way about this situation?

What I really don't understand is that Microsoft says you can disable Kinetic completely in the control panel and you don't need to use it at all. If that is true why not let us unplug it?
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Hypothetically if Microsoft was a Chinese company, would you still feel the same way about this situation?

What I do really understand is that Microsoft says you can disable Kinetic completely in the control panel and you don't need to use it at all. If that is true why not let us unplug it?
I wonder if because they're dedicating part of CPU core to Kinect processing, maybe they need it connected to pass system checks for that. But either way... I'm gonna want mine connected at all times either way after hearing more about how they're using it. Can't wait!
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As Daekwan said, we use so many more things in life that are more trackable why protest Kinect?

You know the answer to that: Slagging the Xbox One is the hip thing to do right now.
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I wonder if because they're dedicating part of CPU core to Kinect processing, maybe they need it connected to pass system checks for that.

From the technical point of view, that makes absolutely no sense at all.

What say you about if Microsoft was a Chinese company?
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From the technical point of view, that makes absolutely no sense at all.

What say you about if Microsoft was a Chinese company?

No difference. Where are the Xboxes put together? How about most of the PS3? Where are most of the smart phones assembled? Where are the smart TV's assembled? Where are most GPS units, modems, routers, and surveillance cameras put together? How about all the network hardware in the computer we're using? They have access to all that hardware that we so freely purchase. Don't you think they're technically smart enough to "bug or tap into everything" ? If we're going to be real conspiracy theorists then let's be complete. We at least pretend to have privacy laws in place, you think China is going to tell you they super duper swear not to spy on you? Quickly burn everything because the Chinese are watching.
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It is far easier to implement this stuff at software level rather than than hardware.

The Kinect can read emotional states and heartrate, and has depth perception, so biometrics scans are much more accurate.

This is as much for advertising as it is for the NSA. Microsoft will be selling off information about you to corporate bidders too.
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It is far easier to implement this stuff at software level rather than than hardware.

The Kinect can read emotional states and heartrate, and has depth perception, so biometrics scans are much more accurate.

This is as much for advertising as it is for the NSA. Microsoft will be selling off information about you to corporate bidders too.

So ease of implementation will keep a foreign country from spying, ok. Thank goodness the rest of the world is lazy. Now you're suggesting that MS wants Dockers to target my exact pant size so they'll invade my Kinect? Using my credit card tells folks what stores I frequent, what products I buy, where I was, and when. My phone jumps from tower to tower and tells folks what areas I frequent. Use Google and everything I search for tracks back to me. My ISP has a history of all the sites I go to. Posting here gives folks a glimpse at how I think and what my hobbies are. I willingly give away a lot more useful info than my heart rate and BMI on a daily bases.

You do understand that there is a mandate for electronic medical records coming right? Connected to all your demographics and SS#. All your biometric and health info in one database. Why don't we start conspiracy theories there instead of with the xb1?
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http://www.vg247.com/2013/07/04/xbox-one-built-with-advertising-in-mind-kinect-integral-to-next-gen-adverts/

Nope didn't know about the mandate for electronic medical records, I'm not American
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zBuff thanks for the link. Scary stuff. I wonder if they will also use the time of day and emotional state to determine adds? Or start planning them, for example noticing that a girlfriend is often in the room after 9pm or before or what have you?
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No difference. Where are the Xboxes put together? How about most of the PS3? Where are most of the smart phones assembled? Where are the smart TV's assembled? Where are most GPS units, modems, routers, and surveillance cameras put together? How about all the network hardware in the computer we're using? They have access to all that hardware that we so freely purchase. Don't you think they're technically smart enough to "bug or tap into everything" ? If we're going to be real conspiracy theorists then let's be complete. We at least pretend to have privacy laws in place, you think China is going to tell you they super duper swear not to spy on you? Quickly burn everything because the Chinese are watching.

The Chinese have already done that with flash drives. I know at least one of the military installations around here has stopped people from using any flash drives because of that. At least some of the people I know have told me that. They have to use DVDs or Zip drives now to carry their content with them. Prior to them finding out this issue everyone carried a flash drive around their neck. Now a flash drive is not allowed to make contact with any of the computers on the installation.

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The Chinese have already done that with flash drives. I know at least one of the military installations around here has stopped people from using any flash drives because of that. At least some of the people I know have told me that. They have to use DVDs or Zip drives now to carry their content with them. Prior to them finding out this issue everyone carried a flash drive around their neck. Now a flash drive is not allowed to make contact with any of the computers on the installation.

Exactly.
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The Chinese have already done that with flash drives. I know at least one of the military installations around here has stopped people from using any flash drives because of that. At least some of the people I know have told me that. They have to use DVDs or Zip drives now to carry their content with them. Prior to them finding out this issue everyone carried a flash drive around their neck. Now a flash drive is not allowed to make contact with any of the computers on the installation.

Yeah this is across all of DOD. Personal devices we can no longer connect as well like simply plugging your phone in the USB to charge. A lot of restrictions were put in place.

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No difference. Where are the Xboxes put together? How about most of the PS3? Where are most of the smart phones assembled? Where are the smart TV's assembled? Where are most GPS units, modems, routers, and surveillance cameras put together? How about all the network hardware in the computer we're using? They have access to all that hardware that we so freely purchase. Don't you think they're technically smart enough to "bug or tap into everything" ? If we're going to be real conspiracy theorists then let's be complete. We at least pretend to have privacy laws in place, you think China is going to tell you they super duper swear not to spy on you? Quickly burn everything because the Chinese are watching.

There you go spreading facts & common sense again. I mean its not like the Chinese have ever been caught using consumer electronics to spy on Americans. (http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/19/news/huawei-china-spy/index.html)

Don't you know that purpose of this thread is to scare everyone from using Microsoft products. Because they are the only company that follows mandates from the US government and its law enforcement agencies.
I mean its not like other consumer companies are cooperating with the US Government. Its just Microsoft we need to avoid. You know. Because Microsoft is the bad guy. And Kinect is the only camera the NSA can access.



And clearly if you are worried you are being spied on, it doesn't matter that pretty much every single consumer electronic item in your home is made in China.
Like that your smartphone (made in China) that is connected to the internet 24/7 and has a camera and microphone.
Or even the car you drive that is made in Mexico, Canada, Germany, Japan, etc.. you know the one with GPS navigation, a backup camera and ECU that logs all of your driving habits & destinations.

As long as you avoid the new XB1 & Kinect. You privacy is guaranteed safe! smile.gif
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Or another way to put it: just don't worry about it, there's nothing you can do about it anyway. Resistence is futile. I mean don't even bother to complain about it or the fact that it's illegal and violates the constitution etc etc. I mean it's everywhere already, so just put a smile on your face and shut the (%*@#* up about it already, am I right?

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Don't you know that purpose of this thread is to scare everyone from using Microsoft products.

Nonsense, I don't even mind if they only have a SKU with the Kinect as part of it (though I think it is in MS best interest to actually have a Kinectless SKU and lower the price to equal or even below the PS4)

They should let us disconnect the Kinect, if we have disabled in the settings, is that so hard? If something comes allow which I want to use the Kinect for, fine I can hook it up for gaming session.
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There you go spreading facts & common sense again. I mean its not like the Chinese have ever been caught using consumer electronics to spy on Americans. (http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/19/news/huawei-china-spy/index.html)

Don't you know that purpose of this thread is to scare everyone from using Microsoft products. Because they are the only company that follows mandates from the US government and its law enforcement agencies.
I mean its not like other consumer companies are cooperating with the US Government. Its just Microsoft we need to avoid. You know. Because Microsoft is the bad guy. And Kinect is the only camera the NSA can access.



And clearly if you are worried you are being spied on, it doesn't matter that pretty much every single consumer electronic item in your home is made in China.
Like that your smartphone (made in China) that is connected to the internet 24/7 and has a camera and microphone.
Or even the car you drive that is made in Mexico, Canada, Germany, Japan, etc.. you know the one with GPS navigation, a backup camera and ECU that logs all of your driving habits & destinations.

As long as you avoid the new XB1 & Kinect. You privacy is guaranteed safe! smile.gif

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I was going to stick a picture of me mooning and giving them the finger in front of mine.

You'd probably starting getting ads on your xbox dashboard for nail polish or manicures! tongue.gifeek.gif

There are rumors of a summer launch of a Kinect-less xbox one

http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2013/07/23/xbox-one-to-release-in-kinect-less-bundle-in-2014/
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You'd probably starting getting ads on your xbox dashboard for nail polish or manicures! tongue.gifeek.gif

There are rumors of a summer launch of a Kinect-less xbox one

http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2013/07/23/xbox-one-to-release-in-kinect-less-bundle-in-2014/
Already shot down. http://kotaku.com/microsoft-shoots-down-rumors-of-kinect-free-xbox-one-bu-897031441

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You'd probably starting getting ads on your xbox dashboard for nail polish or manicures! tongue.gifeek.gif

There are rumors of a summer launch of a Kinect-less xbox one

http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2013/07/23/xbox-one-to-release-in-kinect-less-bundle-in-2014/

MS has already said your main dashboard won't have ads. Not sure about sub dashes (games, movies, etc.). For now at least it looks like they're going for the straight Win8 route with an ad-free home screen with ads on their sub products.
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I don't recall it being mentioned yet but I think Microsoft will be pushing Skype heavily which will mean even more of your day to day communication will be funneled through Kinect.
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We've already seen numerous examples of how they want to integrate Skype. Skype needs a camera hence Kinect. As always you have the option to not use it. I'm sure there will still be standard messaging that routes through the dash like the 360.
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We've already seen numerous examples of how they want to integrate Skype. Skype needs a camera hence Kinect. As always you have the option to not use it. I'm sure there will still be standard messaging that routes through the dash like the 360.
I have wondered about that. If I were running Microsoft, I'd route everything through Skype. They'd potentially open Skype up to a much larger audience. Skype doesn't actually need a camera, though.
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Yeah you can do Skype voice or text or even Skype to landline (for a fee)... I'm wondering if they are hoping people will start placing Skype calls through Kinect to landlines.
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I have wondered about that. If I were running Microsoft, I'd route everything through Skype. They'd potentially open Skype up to a much larger audience. Skype doesn't actually need a camera, though.

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Yeah you can do Skype voice or text or even Skype to landline (for a fee)... I'm wondering if they are hoping people will start placing Skype calls through Kinect to landlines.

Well I mean needs a camera as in video chat which seems to be the big push. Yeah I know you can do regular text chat, calls, etc. via Skype now. I was under the assumption the question was in regards to video chat.
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I wonder if personalized advertising could eventually come out of Kinect 2.0. I would hate to go to the mall and have billboards saying "hey mphfrom77, you know you want this!"

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The Chinese have already done that with flash drives. I know at least one of the military installations around here has stopped people from using any flash drives because of that. At least some of the people I know have told me that. They have to use DVDs or Zip drives now to carry their content with them. Prior to them finding out this issue everyone carried a flash drive around their neck. Now a flash drive is not allowed to make contact with any of the computers on the installation.

Yup. Also why for anything of importance the Military and Intelligence agencies are required to buy American manufactured microprocessors. Government has also worked directly with RIM as well to set up a much more secure version of their Blackberry service.

People laugh, but it’s much more likely than you think. Even if not strictly for a military advantage. China is notorious for stealing trade secrets and turning around and pumping out products based on it. Check out how smart it was moving the LCD manufacturing business there. Hint, they’re already undercutting 4K technology on the major players, making bargain bin brands in the same production facilities.
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What impact did Lenovo buying out IBM's hardware business have on the USA military?

Assuming Microsoft forces Kinect on Xbox One's do you think they will be allowed on military base's/ships?
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