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Sports Bars... I can already see some great table games like air hockey

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its cool, but the applications shown for it at 1/10 the price point is still too much. how many restaurants will really risk placing these on a table where food, drinks, and everything else will spill on it? how many restaurants will pay for the software to use all these apps or replace thier current kiosks for one of these? even at $500 a pop, its nothing more than a novelty item to be used in most trendy locales. i doubt id see one of these in a tgif or bw3's any time soon. i cant see it really taking any mass market appeal but its still cool as hell.
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its cool, but the applications shown for it at 1/10 the price point is still too much. how many restaurants will really risk placing these on a table where food, drinks, and everything else will spill on it? how many restaurants will pay for the software to use all these apps or replace thier current kiosks for one of these? even at $500 a pop, its nothing more than a novelty item to be used in most trendy locales. i doubt id see one of these in a tgif or bw3's any time soon. i cant see it really taking any mass market appeal but its still cool as hell.

you know, thats how I felt when flat screen TV's 1st came out. Now every store and restaurant has 'em hanging around. But like you said, no time soon.
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its cool, but the applications shown for it at 1/10 the price point is still too much. how many restaurants will really risk placing these on a table where food, drinks, and everything else will spill on it? how many restaurants will pay for the software to use all these apps or replace thier current kiosks for one of these? even at $500 a pop, its nothing more than a novelty item to be used in most trendy locales. i doubt id see one of these in a tgif or bw3's any time soon. i cant see it really taking any mass market appeal but its still cool as hell.

One of the reason for the price is because they are ruggedized against those hypothetical beer spills. You know, the folks who designed this are not incompetent; the first thing they did was war-game usage scenarios and modify the hardware accordingly...

And the intent is to drop the price over time; obviously it has to start at the high-end (Harrah's and Renaisence Hotels and the like) but you underestimate how high a typical sports bar, for one, can go for this kinda gear. Arcade games and the like are hardly cheap stuff either, so the price doesn't need to drop much.
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no kidding, an arcade machine can cost upwards of 5-10k as well... now imagine integrating that arcade into a guests table, so they can play/eat/drink/socialize all at the same seat.... sounds like a good idea to me.

i think old c's and bw3's will all have these in just a couple years or so. i love playing the trivia games, but it seems like the screen with the questions is always behind me.... imagine if the screen WAS your table.

or imagine watching a football game on sunday with the guys at your favorite sportsbar, and all the tables have the game ON them.... that's just freaking sweet.

i cant wait for this tech to pick up!

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no kidding, an arcade machine can cost upwards of 5-10k as well... now imagine integrating that arcade into a guests table, so they can play/eat/drink/socialize all at the same seat.... sounds like a good idea to me.

i think old c's and bw3's will all have these in just a couple years or so. i love playing the trivia games, but it seems like the screen with the questions is always behind me.... imagine if the screen WAS your table.

or imagine watching a football game on sunday with the guys at your favorite sportsbar, and all the tables have the game ON them.... that's just freaking sweet.

i cant wait for this tech to pick up!

if the screen was your table, itd be down right annoying. having to move my food or drink out the way to watch the game sounds more like a hassle than a feature. now the had like a playbook or something else on the table that would be one thing, but looking down for 2 hours or so would be annoying.

yeah theres a great cool factor, but how practical is it. it reminds me of the iphone. not because of the touch screen tech, but because its one of those cool gadgets that'll never ever take off until it comes wayyyyyyyyyyy down in price (much like the razr's).
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if the screen was your table, itd be down right annoying. having to move my food or drink out the way to watch the game sounds more like a hassle than a feature. now the had like a playbook or something else on the table that would be one thing, but looking down for 2 hours or so would be annoying.

yeah theres a great cool factor, but how practical is it. it reminds me of the iphone. not because of the touch screen tech, but because its one of those cool gadgets that'll never ever take off until it comes wayyyyyyyyyyy down in price (much like the razr's).


I honestly would hope people wouldn't use that as a TV.. That's just down right dumb.. But it seems pretty cool. I just don't get the comparing phones when you almost never can take it home to compare them before buying..

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I honestly would hope people wouldn't use that as a TV.. That's just down right dumb.. But it seems pretty cool. I just don't get the comparing phones when you almost never can take it home to compare them before buying..

i think the comparing phone thing was for in stores. they made it sound like they whould be the first to have it. they were partners with one of the companys i think

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i think the comparing phone thing was for in stores. they made it sound like they whould be the first to have it. they were partners with one of the companys i think

i think you're right, isnt t-mobile supposed to add these to their kiosks? then you just grab 2 display phones and set them down on the counter, and all the info pops up.

i wonder if the "Surface" will use size/footprint recognition or if some digital devices will have an ID tag/chip inside that tells the "Surface" what do display?



and as far as displaying TV on the table, obviously at a sports bar that wouldnt be the ONLY display you had to look at, i know after a while my neck hurts from looking way up at the screen, so to look down in front of me while i snag a drink of beer in a small PIP window and not miss any action... that would be cool, even if it's just a complete novelty.

they could also incorporate display shifting, so no matter what side of the table you were on, whatever displayed is always right-side-up for you.

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i can see t mobile stores getting crowded with people like me just wanting to check out the "Surface" then saying no thanks i will be back tomarrow to compare some more

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i can see t mobile stores getting crowded with people like me just wanting to check out the "Surface" then saying no thanks i will be back tomarrow to compare some more

thats exactly my point, it has a cool factor about it, but will having these in an establishment generate any real revenue for the company?
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Getting people in the door is a big part.
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Do we have names of any mfg's besides MS at this time planning on releasing this tech?
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Do we have names of any mfg's besides MS at this time planning on releasing this tech?

If you mean just multi-touch, there is Perspective Pixel and Apple (iPhone). However the Surface product seems to be Multi-touch + Object recognition + Vista + form factor
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I mean is there anyone else going to be mfg this technology of microsofts other then MS? I'm not too crazy of their hardware at this time, I was wondering if say a Dell will mfg MS Surface devices for the market?
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Not that I have seen. If it seems to do well I am sure there will be competitors. I have not heard of any Vendor type stuff yet. Would be nice if there were.
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I mean is there anyone else going to be mfg this technology of microsofts other then MS? I'm not too crazy of their hardware at this time, I was wondering if say a Dell will mfg MS Surface devices for the market?

At present they have licensed the RECOGNITION tech for *other* devices (medical imaging, I believe) but Surface Computers like the Table device are strictly a Microsoft product for now. Low volume so Dell and other PC vendors likely want nothing to do with this.
Its a new era for MS; no longer relying on others to promote or hamper their tech.

As for competitors, don't hold your breath; first they'd have to match the AI software and then they'd have to do it without infringing on some very fundamental (and non-obvious) patents. Not any time soon...
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its cool, but the applications shown for it at 1/10 the price point is still too much. how many restaurants will really risk placing these on a table where food, drinks, and everything else will spill on it? how many restaurants will pay for the software to use all these apps or replace thier current kiosks for one of these? even at $500 a pop, its nothing more than a novelty item to be used in most trendy locales. i doubt id see one of these in a tgif or bw3's any time soon. i cant see it really taking any mass market appeal but its still cool as hell.

Think casino's. You can't count cards if they are virtual. Virtual roulette. I mean casinos will eat this tech up. Set your chips on it and it will count them for you. You will see those things all over.

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Think casino's. You can't count cards if they are virtual. Virtual roulette. I mean casinos will eat this tech up. Set your chips on it and it will count them for you. You will see those things all over.

You could have your 'players card' on the table and drag chips to and from it. Neat
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Think casino's. You can't count cards if they are virtual. Virtual roulette. I mean casinos will eat this tech up. Set your chips on it and it will count them for you. You will see those things all over.

They already have roulette covered with touch-screens. They still have the real wheel because people would call fraud otherwise. My guess is people will want real cards as well again because of computer programming fraud concerns.
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Looks like the Wii isn't the only gimmick in town..

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You could have your 'players card' on the table and drag chips to and from it. Neat

Yeah that would be like the Roulette I'm talking about. Does that need Surface though or could current technology handle that?
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They already have roulette covered with touch-screens. They still have the real wheel because people would call fraud otherwise. My guess is people will want real cards as well again because of computer programming fraud concerns.

I don't think they will ever get rid of the real wheel. That sort of thing makes people want to go to the casino, as opposed to just gambling online. Just like the pull arm that remains on many slot machines.
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