Originally Posted by TyrantII
I don't see why Sony couldn't offer $50 off at checkout if you sign up for 2 years of PS+ at full price ($100). The added charge would easily make up for the $50 off.
$150 priced PS3 already is pretty nuts IMO. I'd be waiting and not buying current stock too if i wanted one.
What you are suggesting works for any PS3 with hard drive. But it cannot be offered with 16GB PS3 model. How is the user going to download any game (except the tiny ones) to 16GB storage. (I estimated after Gigabyte translation, about 10% reserved space by PS3 OS and BIOS, you get around 11-12MB usable space from the 16GB storage.) The 16GB PS3 model has to be "complete" to run whatever is sold with it. Download game from PS+ isn't one. Sony can sell a hard drive separately but cannot be part of the bundle or it wouldn't make any sense to offer the 16GB model.
It's obvious that anyone who plays games will need to manage the 16GB storage often because it will run out of space very quickly depending on the type of game.
But once you have subscribed to Gold Live, you get a lot more features such as TV shows, Anime, Sports, etc. Some still require additional subscription fee but that's not any different from subscribing PS+. Problem PS+ on 16GB storage is you can't download 95%(?) of the games. I would guess most of other services offered with PS+ will work with 16GB storage but again that means lots of limited disk space management by the user. It's because PS3 developer haven't been required to think about making their apps as small as possible until now.
To be realistic, on X360, if you eventually decided you need a hard drive, you need to buy Microsoft branded X360 hard drive which is more costly. On 16GB PS3, when you decide you need a hard drive to be practical, you can buy almost any laptop sized hard drive and plug into the PS3. As for both companies, Microsoft will always make profit from any one who bought 4GB X360 and needs a hard drive later. On PS3, Sony gets zero profit from any one who bought a hard drive later. One way Sony could make a small profit is hard drive tray that holds the hard drive inside the PS3. If 16GB PS3 model doesn't include the hard drive tray, then the owners will have to pay for the hard drive tray that can be higher priced (until 3rd party introduces their own). It's one of the reason I was hoping 16GB PS3 uses a small hard drive than flash memory. Remember casual buyers don't think of the cost to bring the PS3 up with hard drive models during purchase. All they see is the sticker price, ie. $149 or $199 or whatever it will be.