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im setting up my newer PS3 after my old fat stopped reading disks.. i cant recall what i set super white to before. I remember i spent quite a bit of time reading up on it in the past and messing with it. I know RGB full/Limited basically sets if your doing 0-255 or 16-235. But i cant remember what superwhite did. I think it had something to do with passing BTB and WTW levels or something like that but i honestly cant recall. Does anyone know for sure what it does and can you fill me in? Its worth mentioning that it appears to make my blacks a bit deeper for some reason. Im not positive that thats the case but just testing it with a few scenes (looking at detail in hair on some animated scenes) it does seem to make the blacks deeper. It doesn't appear to be crushing them though. I put a test pattern image on a USB stick and looked at it and noticed no missing numbers or scales.

So anyone know what it does? I tried googling but theres so many useless threads that i was hoping some of you could help me out. BTW i have it set to RGB limited. Not sure if that matters. TV is also an older sony KDS60A3000A
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The Black Level setting controls the 0-15 chunk. The Super White setting controls the 236-255 chunk. It all depends on what your display supports and if you are sharing that input with other devices through a switch/receiver that will spit out the same levels. Safest is 16-235, Black High, no Super-white. Everything supports that, and it matches the default for component if you are doing some component-to-HDMI upconversion for like a Wii through a receiver, in example.
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Do video games send 0-255? How about over-the-air tv broadcasts and cable ?

I was under the assumption 0-255 was only for hooking up PCs.
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Do video games send 0-255? How about over-the-air tv broadcasts and cable ?

I was under the assumption 0-255 was only for hooking up PCs.

There's no standard set in stone for games like there is for movies. The "correct" way to address a HDTV is 16-235 in rec.709 color space - but generally graphics hardware is rendering in 0-255 RGB, so even consoles have to convert from there.

What matters in the end is what the developer was looking at when they developed the game, and without a clear standard, there's no way of knowing that. It's a slight difference either way, so I just calibrate to HDTV standards, and games and movies generally look great. Basically, the consoles/games are capable of it, it's a very slight increase in dynamic range, but there's no way of knowing for sure a game is actually using it properly.

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The Black Level setting controls the 0-15 chunk. The Super White setting controls the 236-255 chunk. It all depends on what your display supports and if you are sharing that input with other devices through a switch/receiver that will spit out the same levels. Safest is 16-235, Black High, no Super-white. Everything supports that, and it matches the default for component if you are doing some component-to-HDMI upconversion for like a Wii through a receiver, in example.

Black high? Not sure what your talking about. There is no Black high setting. Just the super-white setting. Theres an RGB Full/Limited, but im not talking about that. Maybe your confusing it with an Xbox or something? BTW BD2003 is kinda right.. most games are actually done in 0-255 RGB range because thats what most computer monitors do. However pretty much all movies and stuff like that is in 16-235 REC.709, so its kinda screwy. That being said there really isn't a standard for games like there is for movies, which makes a lot of headaches. This is the reason some games look way off while others look good. Bethisda tends to crush blacks up the wazoo on its default settings if you have a properly calibrated set. Id just set your TV for BD/HDTV settings and let it sit on that. If you can have 2 separate input setups though it may be nice to have your game mode setting in the Full range

Hmm so didn't really get an answer.. anyone know for sure? I think super white passes BTB and WTH levels, but if thats the case im not really sure why it seems to make my blacks a bit deeper. Maybe my receiver handles it better than just clipping them off? Someones gotta know!
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