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Curious whether the Netflix app on PS4 works any differently than on my Panasonic TV, i.e. better streaming audio?
Dont think so. IIRC the PS3 version is better than PS4, but I am PS3 bias for media streaming!

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Curious whether the Netflix app on PS4 works any differently than on my Panasonic TV, i.e. better streaming audio?
Functionally, I believe they're identical. I think the PS4 version boots up slightly faster and is a smidge more responsive, but that could just be my imagination; I haven't tested it.
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Once I pulled the plug, all of my digital games worked great as well.
I didn't even think to do that.
But are we talking about 2nd consoles that are not activated as the primary?
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I didn't even think to do that.
But are we talking about 2nd consoles that are not activated as the primary?
Test it and see but I think those need the connection.
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So did inFAmous: First Light do the pre-download thing last night? I noticed that my router shows close to 10GB was downloaded sometime between 4:30Am and 5AM this morning.

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I guess it was First Light that was downloaded. I checked my PS4 and it showed a couple of files downloaded for First Light. But it looks like it won't be available to play until 1PM EDT on the 26th. I thought games were usually available to play around midnight?

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I didn't even think to do that.
But are we talking about 2nd consoles that are not activated as the primary?
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Test it and see but I think those need the connection.
Right, my beef with Sony with the non-primary console needing a connection. I don't even think it's 24-hours, I think it's continuous check-in, maybe, idk.
3 days between internet activity should be the minimum. Why not even a week?
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What is the Silent Hills P.T. demo called and where can I find it? I'm looking around and don't see it. Thanks.
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What is the Silent Hills P.T. demo called and where can I find it? I'm looking around and don't see it. Thanks.
http://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/pt-ps4

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I didn't even think to do that.
But are we talking about 2nd consoles that are not activated as the primary?
Nope, primary console. There was some original Xbox One action going on there (like before the backpedaling) where I couldn't sign in with an offline profile.
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Right, my beef with Sony with the non-primary console needing a connection. I don't even think it's 24-hours, I think it's continuous check-in, maybe, idk.
3 days between internet activity should be the minimum. Why not even a week?
But now your wanting what the xbone tried and the internet said no. I'm not in disagreement just saying. There is a happy medium where consumers can enjoy privilege and vendors profit but were not there.
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What is the Silent Hills P.T. demo called and where can I find it? I'm looking around and don't see it. Thanks.
Look under games.
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Right, my beef with Sony with the non-primary console needing a connection. I don't even think it's 24-hours, I think it's continuous check-in, maybe, idk.
The PSN account that owns the content has to be signed in for the content to be accessible.
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While FFXIV didn't work due to requiring Sony's servers to be up and running to load the game, I had no issues actually launching the game or anything else for that matter. If you had issues your console might not actually be the primary system. You may want to check that as some people were having that issue even though they only own 1 PS4.
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The PSN account that owns the content has to be signed in for the content to be accessible.
It's the same with XBL. This is nothing new with PSN is it? I thought this was how both behaved? I've never had two Sony systems before but I plan on getting a second PS4 soon.
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It's the same with XBL. This is nothing new with PSN is it? I thought this was how both behaved? I've never had two Sony systems before but I plan on getting a second PS4 soon.
Aaron, I really really don't understand why 5 different users here are misunderstanding me, I presume it is because none of them runs a 2nd PS4.

Let me clear the air with lists.

1) When you activate a system (PS4-1), as primary, it permanently places content licenses (or permanently removes checking for them, idk). The primary system can play digital content 24/7 without fault no matter whether you are signed in or not, no matter whether Russian hackers are storming the Sony firewalls. Additionaly any other user can sign-in and play your content.
2) When you buy a 2nd system (PS4-2), you can only play your digital content as long a Sony online server allows your PS4 to connect and verify.
2a) You cannot have a PS4-2 play content offline...ever.
3) If you wish to activate PS4-2 as the primary, you must physically go to PS4-1 and deactivate it first, then sign-in to PS4-2 and activate as primary.
4) There is no web-browser online method of deactivating, it can be done once a year over the phone with Sony support.
5) (3) seems reasonable...if the consoles are located in the same premises. If PS4-2 is at a 2nd site (like my work's rec room) and then you get there and to find a PSN outage you're SOL.

I don't "want" what the Xbone was originally meant to do, I just want a longer check in time for non-primary consoles. I can't imagine there is any monetary loss in extending instant check-in to a 72-hour period. The friggin reason I bought some digital games was so I didn't have to transport the stupid plastic disc to a 2nd location. Yeah that kind of sounds like the original xbone.

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Probably a good community service tip.... Eurogamer's trick to upgrade your HD to 2TB for "cheap."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...our-ps4-to-2tb

Looking it up on Amazon here in the States and it's only $99 for the drive, so not too shabby. Some assembly required however

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Edit... corrected the link to the slim version
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Aaron, I really really don't understand why 5 different users here are misunderstanding me
Assuming this was aimed (partly) at me...

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I don't even think it's 24-hours, I think it's continuous check-in, maybe, idk.
I was simply clarifying what the policy was, since what you wrote is slightly different and you wrote "idk".

As to wanting something different, that's fine, not what I was replying to though.
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Assuming this was aimed (partly) at me...

I was simply clarifying what the policy was, since what you wrote is slightly different and you wrote "idk".

As to wanting something different, that's fine, not what I was replying to though.
No worries mate, thanks for the clarification. The info to play purchased content on non-primary consoles is on the playstation website, but it's not spelled out practically. There 'should' be a large disclaimer at the top stating that "You may be denied the right to your purchased content anytime our online servers have a hiccup. We encourage you to buy retail disc if not playing your content is a problem."

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6) Some games on the primary console that initially connect to servers upon game startup might act weird if the game server or PSN is down. Disconnecting the PS4 from the network often fixes that, e.g., Battlefield 4, Need for Speed: Rivals, Final Fantasy...
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Aaron, I really really don't understand why 5 different users here are misunderstanding me, I presume it is because none of them runs a 2nd PS4.

Let me clear the air with lists.

1) When you activate a system (PS4-1), as primary, it permanently places content licenses (or permanently removes checking for them, idk). The primary system can play digital content 24/7 without fault no matter whether you are signed in or not, no matter whether Russian hackers are storming the Sony firewalls. Additionaly any other user can sign-in and play your content.
2) When you buy a 2nd system (PS4-2), you can only play your digital content as long a Sony online server allows your PS4 to connect and verify.
2a) You cannot have a PS4-2 play content offline...ever.
3) If you wish to activate PS4-2 as the primary, you must physically go to PS4-1 and deactivate it first, then sign-in to PS4-2 and activate as primary.
4) There is no web-browser online method of deactivating, it can be done once a year over the phone with Sony support.
5) (3) seems reasonable...if the consoles are located in the same premises. If PS4-2 is at a 2nd site (like my work's rec room) and then you get there and to find a PSN outage you're SOL.

I don't "want" what the Xbone was originally meant to do, I just want a longer check in time for non-primary consoles. I can't imagine there is any monetary loss in extending instant check-in to a 72-hour period. The friggin reason I bought some digital games was so I didn't have to transport the stupid plastic disc to a 2nd location. Yeah that kind of sounds like the original xbone.
I don't think anyone has misinterpreted that you want more flexibility but things simply aren't that way and wont be anytime soon. The internet rioted when someone presented a digital console solution so were where were at with no solution other than hard cutoffs. More power to you to try and get things changed but don't expect anything. Apparently this topic comes up with each outage.

1. No I do not have a second console.
2. Yes I'm aware that activating a digital purchase on a second console means it has to always be online.
3. Yes I'm ok with that, it doesn't affect me but if it did I'd be happy to not have to buy multiple copies.
4. Outages are rare and besides the internet fought for your right to rent or buy a disc instead which can be used on two offline consoles.
5. I'm really not trolling just pointing out facts.
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Aaron, I really really don't understand why 5 different users here are misunderstanding me, I presume it is because none of them runs a 2nd PS4.

Let me clear the air with lists.

1) When you activate a system (PS4-1), as primary, it permanently places content licenses (or permanently removes checking for them, idk). The primary system can play digital content 24/7 without fault no matter whether you are signed in or not, no matter whether Russian hackers are storming the Sony firewalls. Additionaly any other user can sign-in and play your content.
2) When you buy a 2nd system (PS4-2), you can only play your digital content as long a Sony online server allows your PS4 to connect and verify.
2a) You cannot have a PS4-2 play content offline...ever.
3) If you wish to activate PS4-2 as the primary, you must physically go to PS4-1 and deactivate it first, then sign-in to PS4-2 and activate as primary.
4) There is no web-browser online method of deactivating, it can be done once a year over the phone with Sony support.
5) (3) seems reasonable...if the consoles are located in the same premises. If PS4-2 is at a 2nd site (like my work's rec room) and then you get there and to find a PSN outage you're SOL.

I don't "want" what the Xbone was originally meant to do, I just want a longer check in time for non-primary consoles. I can't imagine there is any monetary loss in extending instant check-in to a 72-hour period. The friggin reason I bought some digital games was so I didn't have to transport the stupid plastic disc to a 2nd location. Yeah that kind of sounds like the original xbone.
So the way it works now with the PS4 is how it also works with the XBOne and has also worked with the 360. I personally have no problem with that. I used to own four 360s and never had any problem playing the digital content on any of them. Of course they always had internet connections so it has never been an issue for me.

My uptime with FiOS has been over 99.9%. Although it used to be 99.99% until I had almost a week out for a botched upgrade. But then I just used a cellular hotspot with my 360s for that time period and the experience was basically the same.

My only issue now with a secondary console is downloading some updated content since I need to be logged into the secondary box for the content to download. I guess when I get my second PS4 that it will have the same issue.

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Probably a good community service tip.... Eurogamer's trick to upgrade your HD to 2TB for "cheap."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...our-ps4-to-2tb

Looking it up on Amazon here in the States and it's only $88 for the drive, so not too shabby. Some assembly required however

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You have to make sure it is the Slim version of the drive. The one you have above is the regular 2.5 which is a little bigger than the PS4 drive cage bay.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup...nal+hard+drive
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Hi,

You have to make sure it is the Slim version of the drive. The one you have above is the regular 2.5 which is a little bigger than the PS4 drive cage bay.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup...nal+hard+drive
So the one in the article is incorrect?
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So the way it works now with the PS4 is how it also works with the XBOne and has also worked with the 360. I personally have no problem with that. I used to own four 360s and never had any problem playing the digital content on any of them. Of course they always had internet connections so it has never been an issue for me.

My uptime with FiOS has been over 99.9%. Although it used to be 99.99% until I had almost a week out for a botched upgrade. But then I just used a cellular hotspot with my 360s for that time period and the experience was basically the same.

My only issue now with a secondary console is downloading some updated content since I need to be logged into the secondary box for the content to download. I guess when I get my second PS4 that it will have the same issue.
The problem isn't your internet uptime only. Your uber-stable awesome Fios service does not mean Sony's authentication servers are online. They get DDOS'ed and you can't play any of your games.

Personally I think they should find a way to let the games play if they can't authenticate the license or just put in a grace period that covers most reasonable outages. 48hrs perhaps?
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The problem isn't your internet uptime only. Your uber-stable awesome Fios service does not mean Sony's authentication servers are online. They get DDOS'ed and you can't play any of your games.

Personally I think they should find a way to let the games play if they can't authenticate the license or just put in a grace period that covers most reasonable outages. 48hrs perhaps?
I don't have too much of a problem with the current way. It's not like PSN goes down every day. If I can't get on, sure I could see being a little pissed, but I can just turn on my XBOne if I want to play a game or just do something else and try playing the next day.
In the end I think having an always on connection brings more benefits to the overall experience. Unfortunately it is impossible for anything to have 100% uptime. At some point there will always be some issue. And if they haven't changed anything by now I wouldn't expect them to change. But of course you never know. But since there would be people that exploit a grace period, like 48 hours, I just don't expect it to happen.

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