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I would think any dev/publisher would LOVE DRM. With DRM you get a cut from used game sales and you have total control of the game. You keep usd games from flooding the market and get more new sales since used games are more restricted. You also get more money because it isn't as easy to lend games etc.
It's not that simple. "Used games" and "piracy" are mostly just boogeymen that publishers use to blame for decreased profit margins in an increasingly tight, expensive, and risky industry. Research is divided on the actual impact on overall sales. Some studies actually show that used games (and, yes, even piracy) might be good for the industry. Most likely, is that piracy has a small negative impact (most pirates are not potential purchasers). And that used games have a small positive impact (increase in overall gaming purchases, digital purchases, continued circulation of popular games, and a continued large online gaming population). At worst, the two effectively cancel each other out.

Not just that, but there's absolutely 100% no way that any of those "recouped" sales would have gone into developers' pockets. Publishers would have pocketed the difference and still blamed "used games" and "piracy" for the continued stagnation in developer salaries (not to mention job/studio cuts). It's a bunch of executive hogwash perpetuated by short-sighted executives who continue to do harm to the industry. There's a reason AAA gaming is in such trouble. And it's not the fault of used games or pirates. It's the idiots running the show.

Moreover, if E3 taught publishers nothing else, it was the tremendous PR power behind sounding like the "good guy" when it comes to used games and DRM.

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But I think it was the publishers that were pushing for it wasn't it?
Maybe, but they were smart enough to kept it to themselves. Publishers weren't as ballsy as MS was. MS opted for the nuclear option. Publishers, on the other hand, had been experimenting with much "softer" variants of DRM (online passes, etc). But the PR blowback from things like SimCity and now the huge blowback from MS's fumbled announcement have made saying that a game has "DRM" the equivalent of saying that food has "MSG."

DRM isn't going away, but thanks to MS's overly aggressive announcement, publishers are going to have to switch strategies. EA has already announced that it's scrapping its Online Pass initiative. But I expect we'll see other strategies emerge alongside the next gen.

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so was it weird to see MGS during MS side and Bungie during the Sony side... would have never guessed that 5 years ago!
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I wonder if the DRM situation has anything to do with EA and how their handling BF4. DLC for BF4 is coming first to Xbone first unlike BF3 which had PS3 first. Could be a slap on the wrist for Sony not following along?

The controller looks way more comfortable, with the longer grips and the sticks being farther apart. It's smaller than I imagined after seeing it up close in hand.

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Maybe, but they were smart enough to kept it to themselves. Publishers weren't as ballsy as MS was. MS opted for the nuclear option. Publishers, on the other hand, had been experimenting with much "softer" variants of DRM (online passes, etc). But the PR blowback from things like SimCity and now the huge blowback from MS's fumbled announcement have made saying that a game has "DRM" the equivalent of saying that food has "MSG."

DRM isn't going away, but thanks to MS's overly aggressive announcement, publishers are going to have to switch strategies. EA has already announced that it's scrapping its Online Pass initiative. But I expect we'll see other strategies emerge alongside the next gen.

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I wonder if the DRM situation has anything to do with EA and how their handling BF4. DLC for BF4 is coming first to Xbone first unlike BF3 which had PS3 first. Could be a slap on the wrist for Sony not following along?

No way. They got paid millions for a timed release. It's no different than Activision and COD was.

They come up with a number greatly higher than projected sales of DLC, they get paid, then they release down the line for gravy. It's a great business model for a publisher, if the buyer can afford it.
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so was it weird to see MGS during MS side and Bungie during the Sony side... would have never guessed that 5 years ago!

Rumor is MGS is also going to PC for the first time. THATS crazy (and it has my brother pretty excited after seeing the screens). But I wonder what he'll think of Kojima's sense of humor thats been cooking for several decades and out of reach of the PC market.
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This is a pretty funny read.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-every-game-company-gets-wrong-about-gamers/

Dude, are you made of leprechauns? Cause that was awesome!

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http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/13/square-enix-considered-rebranding-versus-xiii-to-final-fantasy-xv-early-on/

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Good news, we may get an early preview of PlayStation games from Japan this year. We usually have to wait until early September for the Tokyo Game Show. This year, Sony's Japanese division may host a special event early according to Famitsu magazine.

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Apparently Madcatz TE Fight sticks won't work on PS4

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/playstation-4-incompatible-with-ps3-mad-catz-tournament-edition

This is such a load of crap, it feels more like Madcatz wants us to buy Another fight stick instead of using our own, hell I don't even like the idea of wasting space with more than 1 fight stick at my place. I can't see how a firmware won't be able to support it considering it's connected via USB, this is horrible news and I hope it'll be fixed, how can they expect so many people to pay for the same thing twice, so stupid.

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so was it weird to see MGS during MS side and Bungie during the Sony side... would have never guessed that 5 years ago!
This was a win-win for both KojiPro and Bungie since by announcing releases for the "other" console they got a much bigger share of the spotlight and they got to show the world that they were going multiplatform. Smart.
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I wonder if the DRM situation has anything to do with EA and how their handling BF4. DLC for BF4 is coming first to Xbone first unlike BF3 which had PS3 first. Could be a slap on the wrist for Sony not following along?
Nah. EA has had PR issues of its own with DRM (SimCity), and they recently announced that they're pulling back from their Online Passes. So that wouldn't make sense. This was done purely because MS paid them for the exclusive. Simple.

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Apparently Madcatz TE Fight sticks won't work on PS4

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/playstation-4-incompatible-with-ps3-mad-catz-tournament-edition

This is such a load of crap, it feels more like Madcatz wants us to buy Another fight stick instead of using our own, hell I don't even like the idea of wasting space with more than 1 fight stick at my place. I can't see how a firmware won't be able to support it considering it's connected via USB, this is horrible news and I hope it'll be fixed, how can they expect so many people to pay for the same thing twice, so stupid.

Fightsticks have their won firmware updates? Yeah, maybe that's the issue then. Engineered obsolescence?
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Fightsticks have their won firmware updates? Yeah, maybe that's the issue then. Engineered obsolescence?

I meant a firmware from Sony's PS4 side to support it. Sony is a major sponsor for fighting game tournaments such as EVO so that might not be out of the question, Madcatz TE is the most used fight stick these days.

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Apparently Madcatz TE Fight sticks won't work on PS4

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/playstation-4-incompatible-with-ps3-mad-catz-tournament-edition

This is such a load of crap, it feels more like Madcatz wants us to buy Another fight stick instead of using our own, hell I don't even like the idea of wasting space with more than 1 fight stick at my place. I can't see how a firmware won't be able to support it considering it's connected via USB, this is horrible news and I hope it'll be fixed, how can they expect so many people to pay for the same thing twice, so stupid.
As much as it sucks, this is nothing new. I'm much more peeved about the lack of BC games than BC peripherals. Besides, arcade sticks are perfectly legal (and relatively easy) to modify for use with other consoles. And the Madcatz sticks are far and away the most commonly modified and community supported sticks out there. I wouldn't worry.
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A very good point is made in this video, and it needs to be watched by both sides of the fence.

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A very good point is made in this video, and it needs to be watched by both sides of the fence.

listening to it now and you beat me to posting it! Def agree.
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I can understand the lack of BC, but I do not like it, I have over 100 retail PS3 games.

Pay to play online I can't understand, why not just lock all the social and chat features behind plus and continue to allow all games tobe free for online play? Plus has been worth the money because it was a good value, forcing people to buy it goes against the original purpose and message of plus. Offer a good enough value and people will want to pay for it.

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Joe, you'd probably know. Hows this stack up to the other Playstation and other system launches in history past?
Keep in mind we don't yet know all of the launch PS4 releases yet (i.e., PSN titles like the rumored Pinball Arcade, PlanetSide 2, etc.)


PSOne launch titles
  • Air Combat
  • Battle Arena Toshinden
  • ESPN Extreme Games
  • Kileak - The DNA Imperative
  • NBA Jam Tournament Edition
  • Power Serve 3D Tennis
  • Rayman
  • Ridge Racer
  • Street Fighter: The Movie
  • The Raiden Project
  • Total Eclipse Turbo
  • Zero Divide


PS2 launch titles
  • Armored Core 2
  • DOA2: Hardcore
  • Dynasty Warriors 2
  • ESPN International Track & Field
  • ESPN Winter X Games Snowboarding
  • Eternal Ring
  • Evergrace
  • FantaVision
  • Gungriffon Blaze
  • Kessen
  • Madden NFL 2001
  • Midnight Club: Street Racing
  • NHL 2001
  • Orphen: Scion of Sorcery
  • Q-Ball: Billiards Master
  • Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2
  • Ridge Racer V
  • Silent Scope
  • Smuggler's Run
  • SSX
  • Street Fighter EX3
  • Summoner
  • Surfing H3O
  • Tekken Tag Tournament
  • TimeSplitters
  • Unreal Tournament
  • Wild Wild Racing
  • X-Squad


PS3 launch titles
  • Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
  • Call of Duty 3
  • Genji: Days of the Blade
  • Madden NFL 07
  • Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
  • NBA 2K7
  • NHL 2K7
  • Resistance: Fall of Man
  • Ridge Racer 7
  • Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
  • Tony Hawk's Project 8
  • Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom

The PSOne's release was the best when it came to fun variety IMHO. I had a blast with Toshinden, ESPN Extreme Games (my sister would dominate me in that one), NBA Jam, Ridge Racer and Raiden.

- From the PS2's opening day, I only played Tekken Tag Tournament non-stop. I didn't own anything else on that list, but that was OK because TTT is still my favorite all-time PS2 game.

- For the PS3's launch I got Resistance pretty late (and really enjoyed it). So initially I thought Ridge Racer 7 was cool, and NBA 2K7 was sluggish.

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Assassins Creed 4
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghost
DriveClub
FIFA 14
Killzone: Shadow Fall
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Madden 25
NBA 2K14
NBA Live
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listening to it now and you beat me to posting it! Def agree.

The point is that we should not become the fanboys that suddenly start supporting a corporation no matter what they do. I agree.

I agree that online fees are a money grab and Sony should take the hit. But they should be supported for not going down the MS road. Nintendo should also be supported for doing the same.
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I feel so bad for NBA Live.... smile.gif

Honestly, I keep an open mind every year when it comes to basketball. EA has had enough humiliation to force them to put out a quality product, and now they have more system power to work with.

I give them credit in that EA eventually took away the soccer crown from Konami's PES last gen with FIFA when few thought that would be possible. So after no basket ball game on the market since 2010, we'll see if they can step up and seriously challenge the 2K series this time around.

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Honestly, I keep an open mind every year when it comes to basketball. EA has had enough humiliation to force them to put out a quality product, and now they have more system power to work with.

I give them credit in that EA eventually took away the soccer crown from Konami's PES last gen with FIFA when few thought that would be possible. So after no basket ball game on the market since 2010, we'll see if they can step up and seriously challenge the 2K series this time around.

It all comes down to their game engine. I just can't imagine their first attempt is going to be any good. Why are all their player models super skinny and lanky ? I know it's a basketball stereotype, but not everybody is all skinny and lanky. Something about their player models just ain't right. Although I'll admit I haven't seen actual gameplay footage.
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I remember that PS3 lineup, horrible. One of the biggest reasons, besides the price that I didn't buy one for a long time.

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PSOne launch titles
  • Air Combat
  • Battle Arena Toshinden
  • ESPN Extreme Games
  • Kileak - The DNA Imperative
  • NBA Jam Tournament Edition
  • Power Serve 3D Tennis
  • Rayman
  • Ridge Racer
  • Street Fighter: The Movie
  • The Raiden Project
  • Total Eclipse Turbo
  • Zero Divide
    .

PS1's launch day lineup wasn't very good, but if you consider it's "launch window" games, it has one of the best lineups in gaming history.

Destruction Derby (new IP)
Wipeout (new IP)
Doom (considered the best port of Doom till Xbox 360)
Loaded (new IP)
Jumping Flash (new IP)
Twisted Metal (new IP)
Warhawk (new IP)
NFL GameDay


All those games were available BEFORE Xmas in 1995
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Honestly, I keep an open mind every year when it comes to basketball. EA has had enough humiliation to force them to put out a quality product, and now they have more system power to work with.

I give them credit in that EA eventually took away the soccer crown from Konami's PES last gen with FIFA when few thought that would be possible. So after no basket ball game on the market since 2010, we'll see if they can step up and seriously challenge the 2K series this time around.

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As much as it sucks, this is nothing new. I'm much more peeved about the lack of BC games than BC peripherals. Besides, arcade sticks are perfectly legal (and relatively easy) to modify for use with other consoles. And the Madcatz sticks are far and away the most commonly modified and community supported sticks out there. I wouldn't worry.
Yeah I know about the modding scene and there will probably be a mod for the TE if PS4 doesn't support it directly, it's just a hassle though specially if the mod requires much soldering which I suck at lol. Also IMO such peripherals BC is a LOT less complicated than game BC which is way too much work considering how different the architecture is with every new console.

As for the PS4 MP paywall, I do agree that it sucks and I won't magically accept whatever Sony does like sheep would, not matter how much value PSN Plus has, FORCING something upon Everyone will always be BAD, because believe it or not some people actually couldn't care less about what PSN Plus has to offer.

With that said, I do understand why Sony did such thing, I feel these were some of the reasons:

1- They'd like A LOT more people to experience PSN Plus and benefit from the immense value it offers, I'm sure PSN Plus subscribers are nowhere near the number of XBL Gold members, so Sony thought going this route will give their service the best exposure.
2- We all know Sony lost A LOT of money during PS3's cycle, it's an Excellent console for us gamers but Sony is a business after all so making money is definitely their primary goal, so it seems like this PSN Plus paywall is another thing to make sure PS4 will be a financial success that the PS3 wasn't.

I personally have no problem with PSN Plus and I understand the value it will offer Me, I think the service gives so much value I am actually considering subscribing for Both PSN USA AND Euro, I might split the cost of the Euro PSN with a friend of mine since the USA is already available for MP access as my main account and AFAIK the account should be allowed to be installed on 2 consoles (probably 2 PS3s and 2 PS4s).

I just hope Sony keeps up how great PSN Plus is with the PS4 and won't screw us over, I have a feeling some stupid new policies will be introduced, such as only being able to select a few games every month instead of adding everything in the queue and download anytime you want later, or games being removed from your library if they're inactive for a certain amount of time..etc

If anything Sony should improve the service more considering the number of subscribers will be A LOT more.

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I think they could have done better with their price point though to ease people into it. A two tier approach where simple MP was like $2 month and the full blown Plus was$4-$5 would have been received better .

Since they are keeping PS3 free and clear I may pick up a PS3 and end up running PS3 for MP and PS4 for SP. I do hate the idea of paying for MP after purchasing a game
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How are you guys saying they are FORCING you to use PSN Plus? You don't have to get it. If you want to play multiplayer then yeah you need to chip in some money. I honestly can't believe how long they kept online multiplayer free on the PS3. Especially how much money they were losing with each PS3. Now fast forward to 2013 with the launch of the PS4, look how big the PSN infrastructure is and will be. There is no way they could keep it free forever. I knew it was coming sooner or later, I'm just surprised it wasn't until this long. But once again they are not forcing you to pay, you can be play the PS4 completely off the grid if you choose to.
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