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The fact that this thread continues to be on the front page means MS did deliver biggrin.gif.

I actually played a little bit at a friends house over the weekend (Xboxone) and to be completely honest, YES..if I was debating between a PS4/XB1 right now and online gaming was my 1st choice, I'd have definitely gone with the XB1. Despite the slight tearing I experienced and partial confusion, TF does offer a LOT different than typical COD style shooters, in my honest opinion. Really wished it was a multi platform title. Fact remains that currently, PS4 DOES NOT have a online TF killer (I don't care for single player games as most are already offered on both platforms). The other bigger titles coming later this year again are muti platform titles.

As much as I'm tempted to sell my PS4 and move back to the dark side (or is the the other way around?), I still prefer the PS4 Interface and the fact that for multi platform titles, it will remain the superior version (vs XB1).

But like they say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Saving up for a XB1 down the road as much I told myself I was fully supporting PS4 this year.

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I'm a little puzzled as to why so many people are so concerned about TF's performance in sales, etc. Each console is going to have their moments and I think it shows that whatever people tout about specs in a system - it always comes down to the games that are available. Why wouldn't you want TF to do well when it'll only mean that publishers will only bust their butt to outdo it on the PS4 - that is if it needs to be outdone. Maybe because I do own both systems I feel indifferent but the overwhelming concern about the sales numbers, shipped numbers, etc. I think is not warranted. I'm actually excited for what's to come... which for me is The Show 14. wink.gif
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We will know if Titanfall did what Microsoft wanted it to do in a few more weeks, mid April when the NPDs release and Microsoft does their financial report for the last Quarter will be pretty interesting to follow. Sony will be wrapping up their fiscal year as well, so expect a battle of numbers and PR spin.

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I'm a little puzzled as to why so many people are so concerned about TF's performance in sales, etc. Each console is going to have their moments and I think it shows that whatever people tout about specs in a system - it always comes down to the games that are available. Why wouldn't you want TF to do well when it'll only mean that publishers will only bust their butt to outdo it on the PS4 - that is if it needs to be outdone. Maybe because I do own both systems I feel indifferent but the overwhelming concern about the sales numbers, shipped numbers, etc. I think is not warranted. I'm actually excited for what's to come... which for me is The Show 14. wink.gif
Well said. There is a certain group on the internet that seems obsessed with sales numbers, while a lot of other people just want to play fun games. I'm glad I fall in the latter category.
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Well said. There is a certain group on the internet that seems obsessed with sales numbers, while a lot of other people just want to play fun games. I'm glad I fall in the latter category.

With the entire industry in flux right now, sales are pretty much what will determine how it moves forward. Nintendo is quickly failing on consoles and slowly losing handheld sales. Sony is in the middle of a much needed restructure that is cutting a ton of fat. Microsoft just saw a complete leadership change, and not all of them are keen on hardware of any kind.

The industry is going to see some big changes this gen, and it is not clear how well the big three will hold up through this. The March NPDs and the financial reports from all three will begin to paint a picture of where each is heading, and it is worth keeping up with if you care about gaming.

Worst case scenario for each. (Within the next 5 years)

Nintendo: Goes third party for consoles and begins bringing some mobile content.

Sony: Cuts even more jobs and cancels more risky projects. Gaming remains too important to kill off, for now.

Microsoft: New management decides gaming hardware isn't worth the cost and either spins it off or kills it outright.

Hopefully none of that happens, but all are real possibilities at this point.

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I'm a little puzzled as to why so many people are so concerned about TF's performance in sales, etc. Each console is going to have their moments and I think it shows that whatever people tout about specs in a system - it always comes down to the games that are available. Why wouldn't you want TF to do well when it'll only mean that publishers will only bust their butt to outdo it on the PS4 - that is if it needs to be outdone. Maybe because I do own both systems I feel indifferent but the overwhelming concern about the sales numbers, shipped numbers, etc. I think is not warranted. I'm actually excited for what's to come... which for me is The Show 14. wink.gif

*sigh* we need a PS4 LOVES XBOX One thread....

for friggin real

I too do not give a rats azz about sales numbers; not really my cup of tea. I took the Marketing classes in b-school and I can understand but I don't need the sales figures to back up my decision as to which console I picked up (or in this case, picked up first and prefer)

competition is good, people who love games need to support both platforms and continue to make sure that there's a market for both. If there is a collapse for one system, it will be the death of the gaming golden age and back into the dark ages of one ruler for all. Frankly, I want to play TitanFall and SecondSon type games when I'm well into my 50s. Anyone watch House of Cards? The last episode I saw was when he was in his house and he wanted to "Get online" and shoot some mudders but he couldn't because everything in the house was now on a "secure communication line" I want to be like that when I get older. I want to be able to take down some punk kid and show some old man strength but I digress.

I still gotta pick up Tomb Raider and Assassin's Creed for the wife for the PS4 but not until she beats Second Son
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With the entire industry in flux right now, sales are pretty much what will determine how it moves forward. Nintendo is quickly failing on consoles and slowly losing handheld sales. Sony is in the middle of a much needed restructure that is cutting a ton of fat. Microsoft just saw a complete leadership change, and not all of them are keen on hardware of any kind.

The industry is going to see some big changes this gen, and it is not clear how well the big three will hold up through this. The March NPDs and the financial reports from all three will begin to paint a picture of where each is heading, and it is worth keeping up with if you care about gaming.

Worst case scenario for each. (Within the next 5 years)

Nintendo: Goes third party for consoles and begins bringing some mobile content.

Sony: Cuts even more jobs and cancels more risky projects. Gaming remains too important to kill off, for now.

Microsoft: New management decides gaming hardware isn't worth the cost and either spins it off or kills it outright.

Hopefully none of that happens, but all are real possibilities at this point.
But at this point, sales aren't a huge deal. It won't really matter until a couple years down the line. It was the same way last gen, and it got so bad here that they made a sticky thread banning sales talks and "trolling" by people with no interest on the playstation subforum.
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I haven't even bought inFamous yet because TF is taking up too much of my time. I've played it until midnight or later nearly every night since release. My middle-aged body is starting to tell me I need sleep. biggrin.gif

With Respawn saying that new game modes are coming, and the eventual release of DLC maps, I don't see the TF train slowing down anytime soon. I will admit that the screen tearing is starting to bother me, but I'm hoping they release a performance patch at some point.

Unless they adopt a COD-style developer rotation, I wouldn't expect to see a new TF game every year. I'm guessing we'll see TF2 on X1/PS4 in 2016 at the earliest.
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I haven't even bought inFamous yet because TF is taking up too much of my time. I've played it until midnight or later nearly every night since release. My middle-aged body is starting to tell me I need sleep. biggrin.gif

With Respawn saying that new game modes are coming, and the eventual release of DLC maps, I don't see the TF train slowing down anytime soon. I will admit that the screen tearing is starting to bother me, but I'm hoping they release a performance patch at some point.

Unless they adopt a COD-style developer rotation, I wouldn't expect to see a new TF game every year. I'm guessing we'll see TF2 on X1/PS4 in 2016 at the earliest.

I expect the opposite. Especially considering the console sales delta.

There is no story arc, no major voice acting, no single player. The assests are done. Titanfall2 could largely just essentially be a large DLC type expansion. That could make it come quick.

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"competition is good, people who love games need to support both platforms and continue to make sure that there's a market for both"

This has been busted so many times that it isn't funny anymore. Give this a read, it might help you understand that you don't need to support every platform and even if two of the three dropped out that gaming could be just fine, because competition would still exist.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=101528891

If you truly believe what you posted, go buy a Wii U and support Nintendo, they are running themselves into the ground and could use the help preventing that since they don't seem to care.


"But at this point, sales aren't a huge deal. It won't really matter until a couple years down the line. It was the same way last gen, and it got so bad here that they made a sticky thread banning sales talks and "trolling" by people with no interest on the playstation subforum."

Tell that to the investors at Microsoft who have been demanding that Xbox funding be cut off for years due to a lack of profits. They will be demanding answers at the quarterly meeting if Xbox failed to move what was projected. (And what Sony managed to move for that matter)

And Nintendo sure could use the sales numbers, they will be dropping to third place in the US once the March NPDs release, the Wii U is tracking below the Gamecube, heck, it is tracking below the Dreamcast now. That is NOT a good sign for them.

This goes back to my point above, and it is the result of competition. Sony released a console that gave developers and consumers exactly what they wanted, Nintendo and Microsoft did not. Now they either need to adapt or die off. If they do fail and leave Sony alone, they still have to compete against Steam, Mobile and any potential competition that could show up. If they get full of themselves (like Nintendo did in the NES and SNES era, or like in the PS2/early PS3 era that Sony hopefully learned a lot from) then someone will come along and dethrone them, that is how competition works.

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I expect the opposite. Especially considering the console sales delta.

There is no story arc, no major voice acting, no single player. The assests are done. Titanfall2 could largely just essentially be a large DLC type expansion. That could make it come quick.

Nobody wants this. I'm looking at you, Halo 3: ODST, which always felt like a cheap cash-grab to me.
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My guess is that Titanfall 2 will have a full single player that is offline (the market for this is way to big to ignore) and feature 6-8 new maps with a another 6-8 of the favorites from the first game reworked to fit whatever they add. My guess is that they have been working on #2 since they were locked as an exclusive. The singleplayer mode was probably cut earlier in development and will be revisited for the followup.

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My guess is that Titanfall 2 will have a full single player that is offline (the market for this is way to big to ignore) and feature 6-8 new maps with a another 6-8 of the favorites from the first game reworked to fit whatever they add. My guess is that they have been working on #2 since they were locked as an exclusive. The singleplayer mode was probably cut earlier in development and will be revisited for the followup.
They were always exclusive, with the original plan being a 12 month exclusive, because they didn't have time to do other versions anyway. I really doubt they suddenly found resources to start work on a single player mode while trying to get the first game to ship.

I agree they will likely add a single-player mode, make some advancements to multiplayer, call it Titanfall 2 and ship it multi-platform. I just doubt they started any development work on it as early as you're suggesting. (Maybe some high-level producer/designer type stuff, story writing for a single-player campaign story, whatever... stuff that wouldn't interfere with resources required to ship the title).
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The original plan was for full multiplatform, that is why they went with source, for easy PS3 support. (This is before Microsoft was selling devs on next gen)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-titanfall-tech-analysis

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I'm a little puzzled as to why so many people are so concerned about TF's performance in sales, etc. Each console is going to have their moments and I think it shows that whatever people tout about specs in a system - it always comes down to the games that are available. Why wouldn't you want TF to do well when it'll only mean that publishers will only bust their butt to outdo it on the PS4 - that is if it needs to be outdone. Maybe because I do own both systems I feel indifferent but the overwhelming concern about the sales numbers, shipped numbers, etc. I think is not warranted. I'm actually excited for what's to come... which for me is The Show 14. wink.gif

For me I want the third parties to stop selling out title exclusives. Not all of us buy all consoles at launch, so having access to games from the get go is preferred. IF a title or IP is owned by a console maker that is fine, and drives a desire to own said console; but when it is simply just to screw over your competition it makes it tough on some of us with tight pocketbooks. Most of us eventually own all consoles that interest us, but we may not have access to a certain title, whether it becomes hard to find or in the case of online only, loses its servers. We look for sales to get a feel for what a company is likely to decide with future title releases.

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That would be nice. Then people can buy a system based on what is important to them. Best Graphics and gameplay get a PS4, using a gamepad with screen for controller get a Wii U or using Kinect get a Xbox One. After that, then each system of course would have its first party exclusives still.
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Bayonetta 2 is a third party exclusive done right, a game that would not be made without a major company funding it.

Titanfall is an exclusive done wrong, paying to keep it off of other platforms. Almost all of the bad will Titanfall has is due to this. Hopefully that hasn't caused permanent damage to the IP when it finally does go multiplatform.

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Bayonetta 2 is a third party exclusive done right, a game that would not be made without a major company funding it.

Titanfall is an exclusive done wrong, paying to keep it off of other platforms. Almost all of the bad will Titanfall has is due to this. Hopefully that hasn't caused permanent damage to the IP when it finally does go multiplatform.

I doubt the majority of gamers know any of the details as to why Halo or Titanfall is only on the Xbox One.

Sure I'd love to see Metroid, Mario, Halo, etc hit the PS4 but it is what it is.
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Bayonetta 2 is a third party exclusive done right, a game that would not be made without a major company funding it.

Titanfall is an exclusive done wrong, paying to keep it off of other platforms. Almost all of the bad will Titanfall has is due to this. Hopefully that hasn't caused permanent damage to the IP when it finally does go multiplatform.

I'm sure it'll be fine. They're only cranky cause they want it and can't have it.
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I'm sure it'll be fine. They're only cranky cause they want it and can't have it.

They are cranky because they were told they could have it then Microsoft said oh no you don't.

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They are cranky because they were told they could have it then EA said oh no you don't.
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Microsoft wrote the check, EA cashed it and passed the word on.

That phrase can also mean eff this eff you, not really a phrase to use thanks to the double meaning.

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Microsoft wrote the check, EA cashed it and passed the word on.

That phrase can also mean eff this eff you, not really a phrase to use thanks to the double meaning.
I am pretty sure you know what it means, since you got what I was saying. People can be mad at MS all they want, but the fact is EA accepted the deal. Everyone just needs to get over it. 3rd party exclusives have been around for a long time. In fact, when indie devs were lining up to put their games out on the ps4, you didn't hear anyone complaining about that here, but all of a sudden it's a huge problem because a highly anticipated game is exclusive to the Xbox.

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I am pretty sure you know what it means, since you got what I was saying. People can be mad at MS all they want, but the fact is EA accepted the deal. Everyone just needs to get over it. 3rd party exclusives have been around for a long time. In fact, when indie devs were lining up to put their games out on the ps4, you didn't hear anyone complaining about that here, but all of a sudden it's a huge problem because a highly anticipated game is exclusive to the Xbox.

Very different situation and you know it. Sony isn't preventing any of those games from releasing on other platforms, Microsoft's own parity clause is.
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They are cranky because they were told they could have it then Microsoft said oh no you don't.

Actually it was not initially intended to be on consoles and the only reason it ended up on Xbox is due to MS paying for it.

It was never in production for all platforms from what has been stated.

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Actually it was not initially intended to be on consoles and the only reason it ended up on Xbox is due to MS paying for it.

It was never in production for all platforms from what has been stated.

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Already disproved that a few posts back. Source was chosen to make the PS3 version easier to make, that was before next gen consoles were being shown to devs in any form.

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I am pretty sure you know what it means, since you got what I was saying. People can be mad at MS all they want, but the fact is EA accepted the deal. Everyone just needs to get over it. 3rd party exclusives have been around for a long time. In fact, when indie devs were lining up to put their games out on the ps4, you didn't hear anyone complaining about that here, but all of a sudden it's a huge problem because a highly anticipated game is exclusive to the Xbox.

 

Even though they've been around so long we just accept it, 3rd party (or even 1st party) exclusives are a pretty raw deal for gamers.

 

The part that should really make you mad about Titanfall being exclusive to MS is that the money for that deal came from your XBL gold sub. They say its for servers and all that...but PC gamers are playing for free on those very same servers.


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Already disproved that a few posts back. Source was chosen to make the PS3 version easier to make, that was before next gen consoles were being shown to devs in any form.


It was stated to be pc only initially, by Vince Zampella, and was never in production for all platforms as I stated.

The implication that it was in production for PS4 and MS pulled the plug is simply not accurate regardless of the reasons for picking the Source engine. wink.gif

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Even though they've been around so long we just accept it, 3rd party (or even 1st party) exclusives are a pretty raw deal for gamers.

The part that should really make you mad about Titanfall being exclusive to MS is that the money for that deal came from your XBL gold sub. They say its for servers and all that...but PC gamers are playing for free on those very same servers.

Then it definitely doesn't make me mad. At least I know that my subscription is paying for something other than access to multiplayer.

I still don't see how it is a raw deal for gamers. Each gamer determines which console they are going to initially go with knowing that there are going to be exclusives that their choice keeps them from playing. I have not seen a single posting on the XBOX side complaining about the missing out on Playstation exclusives. With Titanfall there are two systems you can play on. Xbox (one/360 someday or PC). Yes Microsoft has the bankroll to buy exclusivity. Sony could have done it. Maybe they tried and got out bid. I don't know but they had the oppurtunity.

Then there are those "people" that buy all the consoles and don't HAVE to worry about missing out. You know who you are and I think you stink...biggrin.gif
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Then it definitely doesn't make me mad. At least I know that my subscription is paying for something other than access to multiplayer.

I still don't see how it is a raw deal for gamers. Each gamer determines which console they are going to initially go with knowing that there are going to be exclusives that their choice keeps them from playing. I have not seen a single posting on the XBOX side complaining about the missing out on Playstation exclusives. With Titanfall there are two systems you can play on. Xbox (one/360 someday or PC). Yes Microsoft has the bankroll to buy exclusivity. Sony could have done it. Maybe they tried and got out bid. I don't know but they had the oppurtunity.

Then there are those "people" that buy all the consoles and don't HAVE to worry about missing out. You know who you are and I think you stink...biggrin.gif

 

You'd have gotten titanfall anyway, the money just went to closing the door on other people. 

 

I know it's the status quo, but it still annoys me to no end that I need to have multiple consoles but just one blu-ray player. Not to mention the software is incompatible, and worst of all, the friends lists are incompatible. I could literally be playing titanfall on the same physical server as you, and because I'm on PC and you're on console, there's a completely arbitrary and impenetrable barrier between us. 

 

If gamers spent half the time they do on waging the console war and instead demanded those barriers came down, it would be a win for everyone. I know that's an unrealistic fantasy because it probably doesn't even occur to people that software/network compatibility is even possible....but it's a nice thought, isn't it?


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