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post #91 of 165 Old 01-24-2014, 03:47 PM
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My setup is in my sig.

Been playing on a 120" screen for 3 years now. Can't go back to anything smaller biggrin.gif.

Nice setup man, looks great. 120" is big!

Looks like you're getting a lot of light bounce from the ceiling. Addressing that would deepen those blacks even further. In my projector setup I was getting a lot light from the ceiling as well.

 


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Oh man... making me want to break down and go projection asap... Gotta hold out for the summer. Not quite sure how I will manage it in my new place but I have a few ideas.

Going from 70" to 100"+ should be a nice upgrade. (Aiming for 120" but I may spring for Black Diamond if I can manage it, size would take a hit if I did. The room is fairly bright in the day with little light control)

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Yep, nothing like a BIG screen at home. I run a 133" and at times it's a bit too immersive eek.gif if you know what I mean.

Gaming at these sizes is a whole other experience versus even a large tv, we have a 50" Plasma and a 60" LED LCD and the 133" DLP projection is far more entertaining.

I also have a 100" screen in my game room and the 133" makes the 100" seem small, so go as big as your room/seating distance allows so you don't waste money changing out screens (in order to go bigger).


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Oh man... making me want to break down and go projection asap... Gotta hold out for the summer. Not quite sure how I will manage it in my new place but I have a few ideas.

Going from 70" to 100"+ should be a nice upgrade. (Aiming for 120" but I may spring for Black Diamond if I can manage it, size would take a hit if I did. The room is fairly bright in the day with little light control)

Seriously, I would no go with a projector in the room you described. You have people on this forum complaining how the light from the controller washes out the image, so you can imagine what real light sources can do. If you do go down that road, then you might be better served to invest the money you were going to spend on the screen, and use it towards making the room more projector friendly.

 


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Seriously, I would no go with a projector in the room you described. You have people on this forum complaining how the light from the controller washes out the image, so you can imagine what real light sources can do. You would be better served to invest the money you were going to spend on the screen, and use it towards making the room more projector friendly.

Place is a rental with a very open floor plan, I can't do much. Black Diamond or a similar tech would fix that for less than the upcoming Vizio 120" and would transition to future projectors.

My only other option is to rig a drop down screen in front of my 70" and switch between them, and that would be tricky with how the ceiling is set up.

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Indeed the room has a tremendous impact on the end result but if an ideal room was required the number of people enjoying front projection would be a mere fraction of what it actually is. wink.gif

Now if ambient light cannot be controlled then you either go the distance to make it work or you only use it at night. The number of people that are actually seeing their display's full potential is relatively small and the number with an ideal room is even smaller.

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Place is a rental with a very open floor plan, I can't do much. Black Diamond or a similar tech would fix that for less than the upcoming Vizio 120" and would transition to future projectors.

My only other option is to rig a drop down screen in front of my 70" and switch between them, and that would be tricky with how the ceiling is set up.

Always a series of compromises when dealing with HT.

My room was super light, big windows, white walls and ceiling... pretty much the worst environment ever for a projector. I got away for years using my projector mostly at night, but even at night the blacks were only light gray at best because of all of the reflected light off the white surfaces. Eventually I minimized the reflected light and I have good blacks without turning my living room into a man cave.

A screen, no matter how expensive it is, will not fix the problem of there being too much light in the room. Light washes out the image.

If your room is like mine was, then you'll be equally amazed how awful the projector looks during the day, and how great it looks at night.

 


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Have you seen Black Diamond in action before? It does wonders for a brighter room, I just don't know if it is worth the $$$$ to get it. A 110" screen would cost as much as my Sharp 70" did. That is my biggest hold up, justifying that cost.

Here is a demo.
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Yep, other than screen texture the BD screen does some amazing things in a non-ideal (white walled non light controlled) room.

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Have you seen Black Diamond in action before? It does wonders for a brighter room, I just don't know if it is worth the $$$$ to get it. A 110" screen would cost as much as my Sharp 70" did. That is my biggest hold up, justifying that cost.

Here is a demo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2ODjC01J1M

Yes I've seen the videos, I was contemplating getting one for my light room. Obviously the screen helps, but not enough IMO. I takes a severely washed out image and transforms it into a poorly washed out image. The blacks in those videos are light greys, which is passable for some content, but definitely not ideal for others.

Televised sports generally look fine washed out because they're so well lit, but generally not the case for gaming or movies. I play mostly shooters, and any loss of detail negatively affects gameplay. It is very difficult to play competitively if the image is washed out, and it looks like the BD will only give you a better looking washed out image - which doesn't cut it.

Personally I have 2 gaming systems, as I avoid playing on the projector during the day. Only because I don't want to play in a dungeon when it's nice and sunny out.

You might want to see about demoing a projector in your space, so you have an idea of how it looks in the am and pm. I wonder if BD has any material samples they offer for demo?

Good luck, man.

 


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Yes I've seen the videos, I was contemplating getting one for my light room. Obviously the screen helps, but not enough IMO. I takes a severely washed out image and transforms it into a poorly washed out image. The blacks in those videos are light greys, which is passable for some content, but definitely not ideal for others.

Televised sports generally look fine washed out because they're so well lit, but generally not the case for gaming or movies. I play mostly shooters, and any loss of detail negatively affects gameplay. It is very difficult to play competitively if the image is washed out, and it looks like the BD will only give you a better looking washed out image - which doesn't cut it.

Personally I have 2 gaming systems, as I avoid playing on the projector during the day. Only because I don't want to play in a dungeon when it's nice and sunny out.

You might want to see about demoing a projector in your space, so you have an idea of how it looks in the am and pm. I wonder if BD has any material samples they offer for demo?

Good luck, man.

Yeah, it just sounds like a setup that isn't going to work with a projector. You'll end up spending a ton of money to get a meh image. Just buy a chair on wheels and roll it closer to a flat panel if you want a bigger image.

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Yeah, it just sounds like a setup that isn't going to work with a projector. You'll end up spending a ton of money to get a meh image. Just buy a chair on wheels and roll it closer to a flat panel if you want a bigger image.

You know as well as I do that doesn't work. tongue.gif

I'll figure it out as I get closer to the time, I've still got a few months.

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Took a couple quick craptastic quality pics of my 110 ' living room set up ..... defeinitley my favorite room in the house wink.gif

Had to throw the PS4 on a makeshift spot under the screen due to the lack of a extension cable for the Playstation Camera, she'll move to the little rack next to the couch when and if they release one.


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Looking into light control, it shouldn't be too difficult, I need two curtains that look fitting for the room that block the daylight. Something to cover the window on the door and maybe something to block the window in the nearby hall and kitchen.

After that I just need out work out projector placement and throw distance for a 120" screen, shouldn't be too hard.

Does DLP offer similar motion performance to Plasma? That is easily the thing I have missed most since going LCD.

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PEN,

If you can get away with the generally more limited placement flexibility of DLP it is excellent regarding motion handling and you'll usually see better response time (lag) with DLP (there are LCD based exceptions of course).

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Looking into light control, it shouldn't be too difficult, I need two curtains that look fitting for the room that block the daylight. Something to cover the window on the door and maybe something to block the window in the nearby hall and kitchen.

After that I just need out work out projector placement and throw distance for a 120" screen, shouldn't be too hard.

Does DLP offer similar motion performance to Plasma? That is easily the thing I have missed most since going LCD.

It's better than LCD, but not as good as plasma. There's no ghosting per se, but there's still motion artifacts because of pixel persistence. It looks similar to the OLED vita.

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Looking into light control, it shouldn't be too difficult, I need two curtains that look fitting for the room that block the daylight. Something to cover the window on the door and maybe something to block the window in the nearby hall and kitchen.

After that I just need out work out projector placement and throw distance for a 120" screen, shouldn't be too hard.

Does DLP offer similar motion performance to Plasma? That is easily the thing I have missed most since going LCD.

I don't know if this will help you but when I was a single dude I had a junior one bedroom with lots of windows in my 'living room'. Behind my red velvet curtains which were placed behind my flat panel (which looked great and worked well for sound) I used two plastic roll-down window coverings specifically designed for darkening rooms. Basically, they were a shade of grey (vs. white) and were heavier than your typical roll-down/pull-down shaded. They were down all the time and you never saw them because the red drapes covered them. This worked very, very well for me and was an inexpensive solution.
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New Optoma HD131xe projector and 106" fixed frame screen. The picture of the media closet is pre-PS4 and PS3.





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New Optoma HD131xe projector and 106" fixed frame screen. The picture of the media closet is pre-PS4 and PS3.





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Hey, nice setup! Are those Infinity IL30s or IL40s? I have the IL40s. I've had them for I think around 13 years now. I kinda wish they would die already, so I could buy something new, but I'm having a hard time just giving or throwing them away as they still work and sound good. I also picked up a refurbed Infinity C360 center speaker from the Infinity E-bay store, for like $125 dollars or so, when I decided to go 5.1 and eventually 5.2. I had the orignal light grey grills like you do, but the kids had greased and stained them all up. I was able to get a new pair of charcoal grills direct from Infiinity, for I think around $40.

How long have you had those...buy them new?
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Hey, nice setup! Are those Infinity IL30s or IL40s? I have the IL40s. I've had them for I think around 13 years now. I kinda wish they would die already, so I could buy something new, but I'm having a hard time just giving or throwing them away as they still work and sound good. I also picked up a refurbed Infinity C360 center speaker from the Infinity E-bay store, for like $125 dollars or so, when I decided to go 5.1 and eventually 5.2. I had the orignal light grey grills like you do, but the kids had greased and stained them all up. I was able to get a new pair of charcoal grills direct from Infiinity, for I think around $40.

How long have you had those...buy them new?
I've had them since around 2001. Bought everything in my home theater at the time new from Circuit City when I worked there for 60% off. They are the IL30s I think. I had a matching center but I got a great deal on an Alpha center and sub. I'd get the grills if I cared enough (and I almost do.) I hope mine don't die! They still sound great. I'd have to spend a lot of money to get better sounding speakers.
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This shows a PS3 but has been replaced with a PS4. Combination kids playroom and home theater room.
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A few quick shots from my phone(low quality)...

Display: Infocus IN82 dlp projector
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Finally got pics of my meager setup. The room limits me. not much i can do with it and i'm exploring options in cable control. So many cables...

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