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post #451 of 1142 Old 09-13-2012, 08:04 AM
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Anyone watching the NYC event? The crowd is dead... They're really having a hard time getting any feedback from the audience. To add to what BD2003 said:

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Wii U launches in the U.S. on Sunday, November 18th. The basic bundle will sell for $299, the deluxe bundle for $349.

$299 Basic Set (white)
Wii U console
One GamePad
Sensor bar
8GB SSD
HDMI cable

$349 Deluxe Set
Wii U console
One GamePad
Sensor bar
HDMI cable
Charging stand
Console stand
32GB SSD
Nintendo Land game disc


Quote of the day: "We've never been able to realize this level of realism before on a Nintendo platform.".



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From IGN:
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Sounding like SMBU is more of a Mario Bros. party game too. Not just levels and worlds, but mini-games with objectives and other modes.
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Alright, I'm in for the Black one. redface.gif


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That's about $50 too much for each sku.

I'm sure I"ll buy the premium anyway though.
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Anyone watching the NYC event? The crowd is dead... They're really having a hard time getting any feedback from the audience.

I only caught the end but the Activision guy got nothing. I thought maybe it was just him.
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That's about $50 too much for each sku.
I'm sure I"ll buy the premium anyway though.
Ditto and ditto. Even though, dammit, I wanted a white one. But I swear to god, the charging cradle alone is almost enough reason to go premium for me, since I'm sure they'll charge at least $20 for it separately. Cradles are super convenient for my 3DS and Harmony remote. And well, I bet I'd run through 32GB of storage pretty fast if my 40GB PS3 was any indication. Seems petty not to include the console stand in the basic version, though.

Any word on separate Gamepad pricing yet? My guess is $100.

Hooray for including an HDMI cable in even the "basic" bundle, though. Does that mean even the general public is smartening up to $50 cables?
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$300/$350. $350 version comes packed with nintendo land.
...the $350 version also comes with a still-to-be-detailed digital subscription plan of some sort--very similar to PlayStation Plus.

And as (the smart ones among us) suspected, each sku only comes with the Gamepad. No Wii Remotes or Pro Controllers anywhere in sight. wink.gif

I dunno what's worse, that or the price. Any word on how much the extra gamepad costs?

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I dunno what's worse, that or the price. Any word on how much the extra gamepad costs?
I don't think they've said how much the various peripherals will cost in the US. In Japan, an additional GamePad will cost roughly $175 a piece. The Pro Controllers are around $75. But you also have to keep in mind that the Yen is strong against the dollar. So that might translate to something more like $150 for an additional GamePad, and $60 for the Pro Controller. That's roughly in line with Nintendo's own suggestions over the past year.

For me, there was nothing surprising in any of this. Price, pack-ins, etc., are all about what was predicted. The only true surprises for me were the subscription service (which hasn't yet been detailed for the US or Europe) and the exclusivity of Bayonetta 2 to Wii U.

The only two launch titles I'm interested in are Rayman Legends and The Wonderful 101, so I'll probably wait six months or so before jumping in. I imagine that the first six months will be filled with a lot of multiplatform ports of games that have been on 360/PS3 for 6-12 months already.

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I dunno what's worse, that or the price. Any word on how much the extra gamepad costs?
I don't think they've said how much the various peripherals will cost in the US. In Japan, an additional GamePad will cost roughly $175 a piece. The Pro Controllers are around $75. But you also have to keep in mind that the Yen is strong against the dollar. So that might translate to something more like $150 for an additional GamePad, and $60 for the Pro Controller.

Yeah $150 is the most likely given the Japanese numbers, but man....I can get a kindle fire that has far more tech packed in for that much.

I guess it's easier to drop the price than raise it. They can rake it in at the start from all the early adopters, then apologize and lower the price soon thereafter.

Is it coming with an 8GB SD card, or are they soldering a NAND chip on the motherboard and calling it an SSD?

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So that wasn't much... big thing for me and I'm sure some others is that there was NO mention of Nintendo Network functionality, given that we're ~2 months from launch seems a bit concerning. Also interesting that NSMBU wasn't given a date, and the 'launch window' is officially Nov 18 - March '13, which includes 50 games (one of which is a delayed Pikmin 3.)

highlights from the live blog:

TVii:


TVii can be personalized to each member of the house
Nintendo TVii is free, comes packed into each console
It'll let you control your DVR
Access to TiVo content as well as Amazon Prime
On demand streaming via Hulu Plus or Netflix
You can get Twitter feed while watching, as well as share what you're watching


Some Games:

Lego City Undercover
"Think GTA meets kid-friendly Lego Universe", same info we saw at E3 essentially



NSMBU
The game includes a map with a wholly interconnected world. A lot of levels and secrets to uncover, as well as a Boost Rush Mode, racing to complete four scrolling levels.



Nintendoland
Make your own assumptions,



Bayoneta 2
Bayoneta 2 will be a WiiU exclusive and published by Nintendo



Nano Assault Neo (eShop)



And a few others mentioned:


The Wonderful 101 (formerly Project P-100)

Black Ops 2
007 Legends
Wipeout 3
Pikmin 3 (delayed)
Trine 2
Ben 10: Omniverse
Rise of the Guardians
Family party
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Sonic All-Stars Racing
Zumba Fitness Core
Epic Mickey 2
Toki Tori 2

Full launch window list: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
505 Games Funky Barn
2K Sports NBA 2K13
Activision Publishing, Inc. 007™ Legends
Call of Duty®: Black Ops II
TRANSFORMERS PRIME™
Wipeout 3
Skylanders Giants™
Cabela’s Dangerous Hunts 2013
Rapala Pro Bass Fishing
Capcom Monster Hunter™ 3 Ultimate
D3Publisher Rise of the Guardians: The Video Game
Ben 10: Omniverse™
Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade
Disney Interactive Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
Electronic Arts Mass Effect™ 3
Madden NFL 13
EA SPORTS™ FIFA Soccer 13
Frozenbyte Trine 2™: Director’s Cut
Gaijin Games Runner2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien
Majesco Entertainment Zumba® Fitness Core
Maximum Games Jett Tailfin™
NAMCO BANDAI Games America Inc. TEKKEN TAG TOURNAMENT™ 2 Wii U Edition
TANK! TANK! TANK!™
Nintendo Nintendo Land™
New Super Mario Bros.™ U
NINJA GAIDEN™ 3: Razor’s Edge
SiNG PARTY™
LEGO® City: Undercover
Wii Fit™ U
Game & Wario™
Pikmin™ 3
The Wonderful 101™
SEGA Aliens: Colonial Marines™
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed
Shin’en Nano Assault Neo
Tecmo Koei America Corporation WARRIORS OROCHI® 3 Hyper
THQ Darksiders® II
Wheel of Fortune®
JEOPARDY! ®
Two Tribes Toki Tori 2
Ubisoft Assassin’s Creed® III
Just Dance® 4
Marvel Avengers™: Battle for Earth
Rabbids® Land
Sports Connection™
Your Shape®: Fitness Evolved 2013
ZombiU™
Rayman Legends®
Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment Scribblenauts™ Unlimited
Game Party Champions
Batman: Arkham City™ Armored Edition
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I don't think they've said how much the various peripherals will cost in the US. In Japan, an additional GamePad will cost roughly $175 a piece. The Pro Controllers are around $75. But you also have to keep in mind that the Yen is strong against the dollar. So that might translate to something more like $150 for an additional GamePad, and $60 for the Pro Controller. That's roughly in line with Nintendo's own suggestions over the past year.


That's what the internet is saying:
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Those GamePads will also be available standalone for 13,440 yen, which could see American gamers paying around $173 for the luxury of a spare.

The Wii U pro controllers are priced at 5,040 yen ($65) each, while the Wiimote will continue to be priced at 3,800 yen (around $50), now in a range of colors.

Likewise, the nunchucks will come in three color palettes. The GamePad charging stand will also be available to buy separately -- setting you back around 1,870 yen -- around $25. Naturally, there's going to be some international variance in these prices so we'll be updating once we get those global prices cemented.

Can't wait to see what Nyko comes out with by Christmas time... I'd bet they're all over this
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Okay, Nintendo just did an excellent job of talking me out of getting one at roll out. Even if the presentation had been exciting, which it wasn't, and even if the basic bundle had been more compelling*, which it wasn't, the price alone is enough to slow my ambitions. Add the dud presentation and the dud bundles, and my ambitions come to a complete halt.

$300 for an incomplete set that doesn't even have a Wii U game to play. So, I buy it and play old Wii titles? Uh, why?

From June 2012:

"You're talking price and I'm talking value," Fils-Aime said. "What I'm saying is that, it's going to have a fantastic value. Value defined is what you get - all of these great new experiences for what you pay is going to be absolutely competitive."

Well to me "all these great experiences for what you pay" would include something to play. That would add a little value to my $300.

Let's see: what did I learn today?

Overpriced, boring, and incomplete. Yes, that sums it up.


* The $350 bundle is more compelling, but overpriced. The $300 incomplete bundle makes no sense to me at all, except as a cynical throw-away to make the $350 bundle look like a bargain.

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And Reggie looked like he needed a laxative...

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Gamestop is taking preorders, instore and online. I preordered the Deluxe version online just to be safe.
(rumors say the preorders are today only and when they run out, that is it until launch...)

I may not be thrilled with the pricing, but it is less than I paid for the Wii back in 2006.


And one last tidbit, Black Ops 2 is running at 1080p 60fps on the Wii U based on what I heard (hopefully they didn't just mean upscaled to)

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None of it looks particularly bad though. It all just looks...ok. The price isn't completely outrageous like the ps3, the software exclusives look decent, the gimmick could be kinda neat, the online will probably function correctly.

There was absolutely no magic or excitement there though. It's just...ok. They needed standing ovation and they got polite applause.

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NSMBU looks like a spiritual successor to Super Mario World, which is enough to get me excited.

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if New Super Mario Bros U was available at launch I probably wouldn't think twice about preordering. Right now, though, I'm 50/50. Coming into the morning I was sure I was going to preorder, but I thought it'd be $50 cheaper and that we'd get a date on the only game they have announced I'm super interested in.
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if New Super Mario Bros U was available at launch I probably wouldn't think twice about preordering. Right now, though, I'm 50/50. Coming into the morning I was sure I was going to preorder, but I thought it'd be $50 cheaper and that we'd get a date on the only game they have announced I'm super interested in.

Wait, thats not a launch title? And there's no date? What about pikmin?

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Wait, thats not a launch title? And there's no date? What about pikmin?

Pikmin is "launch window" so probably early next year, but NSMBU should be there at launch.
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The only game confirmed for launch in the US is Nintendo Land (it is packed in with the deluxe bundle) NSMBU is a confirmed Japanese launch title so I fully expect it to be there day one.

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Gamestop is taking preorders, instore and online. I preordered the Deluxe version online just to be safe.
(rumors say the preorders are today only and when they run out, that is it until launch...)
I may not be thrilled with the pricing, but it is less than I paid for the Wii back in 2006.
And one last tidbit, Black Ops 2 is running at 1080p 60fps on the Wii U based on what I heard (hopefully they didn't just mean upscaled to)

I grabbed one. I can't believe they charge that much for shipping though. Hopefully Amazon will put it up and I can grab it there instead.
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I'll give them this much: The games look smooth, the framerates were nice, and the worlds for the first party games all have that Nintendo feel about them... but I just can't get excited for anything I'm seeing yet, certainly nothing even remotely approaching where I was prior to Wii's launch.

It really does feel like the 3DS all over again, lots of 'meh' concepts presented with no energy for what could be a fun innovation. There's nothing that's a day one or "hype level 1000" in the whole launch window for me.


Nintendoland Trailer, BTW:


And I'm still laughing (in a good way) at the costumes for TekkenU (everything past 0:43)
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Oh my god. I'm pretty much over Tekken, but Tekken Wii U? Day one. That looks hilarious, and you know, it's actually pretty interesting to see ridiculous Nintendo concepts like the super mushroom applied to such a different property.
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I see people type NSMBU but my brain keeps thinking MSNBC. So I can watch news on my WiiU?
Are the pro controllers wireless?
Bayonetta 2, aah so thats where you went exclusive. I see how it is now. frown.gif
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Hopefully Amazon will put it up and I can grab it there instead.

Amazon never had pre-orders for the 3DS XL, and only sold a handful of the units a couple days after release. In fact, Amazon barely carries any Nintendo hardware first-hand anymore - they rely on 3rd party sellers. So the guess is there's some friction between U.S. Amazon and Nintendo of America.

I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon never has the Wii U console for pre-order. But they do list New Super Mario Bros U as a November 18 release w/ pre-order.


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I think this was confirmed long ago, but it's nice to have it re-reconfirmed that we wont' be forced to buy Nintendo 500MB Fun Drives or something:
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The Nintendo Wii U may only have 8 to 32GB of internal memory, but the company's taking a decidedly open approach to expanding that memory: add your own. "You can plug in a full-on three terabyte hard drive if you want. I'll love you as a digital consumer," Nintendo America CEO and president Reggie Fils-Aime told us during a post-press conference investor Q&A. Much like Sony's PlayStation 3, the Wii U allows for expansion of memory via USB, whether that memory be Flash or otherwise. Fils-Aime explained that, with the continuously dropping price of memory, there was little reason to offer pricing for the Wii U -- available in $300 and $350 -- tied to an evolving hardware model.
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Bayonetta 2, aah so thats where you went exclusive. I see how it is now. frown.gif
Kinda hope activating spells and such in Bayonetta just involves drawing bigger and bigger boobs on the touchscreen.
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Speaking solely for myself, I was pretty happy with the presentation. Yes, I wish it was less expensive, but it's not outside of the realm of reason, for me. Support for the Wii stuff I already have is expected, but good. Being able to get some use out of my old 500GB USB external drives? Useful.

The TVii stuff was actually pretty exciting, to me. Being able to have a universal remote that can control and interact with my TiVo and Netflix account? And has wikipedia and imdb connections built right in? It's nice to know Nintendo heard about the internet, finally. And the split-screen playing of BLOPS? In my house, that would be a BIG win. As would being able to play on the screen while the rest of the family watches TV.

I have to say, if I didn't have a 360 or PS3, the lineup for the Wii U would be pretty compelling. I mean, there are some nice 3rd-party games there, some of which are big titles. Assassin's Creed 3, Mass Effect 3, Black Ops 2, Darksiders 2? All games I intend to purchase or HAVE purchased. Sadly for Nintendo, I've already bought or pre-ordered for the 360. But that could change in the future, especially for games that I don't intend to play with friends.


As always, of course, the real question is all the stuff NIntendo DIDN'T tell us.
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Bayonetta 2, aah so thats where you went exclusive. I see how it is now. frown.gif
Platinum Games is pushing Wii U pretty hard with two major exclusives. Surprising, considering how poorly Mad World sold.

Then again, big sales numbers aren't really Platinum's "thing." biggrin.gif

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amazon is listed in the retailers section on the Nintendo site, FWIW.

http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/buynow/
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Yeah, being able to use your own drive is definitely a plus. I'd still have preferred an internal solution where you can BYOD like the ps3, but it's still better than the arbitrarily limited Xbox 360 nonsense.

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amazon is listed in the retailers section on the Nintendo site, FWIW.
http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/buynow/

Amazon is also listed as a seller of the 3DS on Nintendo's site, but that console and the Wii are only available via 3rd parties on Amazon - albeit sometimes "fulfilled through Amazon".

I'm not saying the Wii U console won't be available for pre-order on Amazon's U.S. site, but something strange has been going on lately between these two companies, so I'm somewhat skeptical. I learned my lesson with the 3DS XL and pre-ordered the Wii U at Gamestop today.


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