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We've got a Steam thread. Now that I'm going to pick up an iPad 2 tonight for the living room, I figured we could use an iOS thread.

http://toucharcade.com/2011/03/10/ip...chmark-results

Anyone else picking up an iPad 2? Or already have an iOS device? I started out with a 3rd gen iPod Touch tough that I bought on a whim one day in November 2009. I liked the thing so much that I grabbed another one for my girl a week later. She liked it so much that we both grabbed iPhone 4's in September, as soon as we knew what the 4th gen iPod Touch consisted of. We skipped the iPad the first time, as my iPod was still pretty new at the time, but also because I just wanted to wait for version 2. The lack of cameras on the first one seemed lame, and it just felt a little bulky.

Anyway, iPad 2 releases tonight, and since I use my phone around the house enough, I figured it was time to grab a tablet for the couch.

iOS in general is a very slick mobile operating system. Having played with both Windows Mobile 6.5 and Android, iOS is still worlds ahead in usability. Windows Phone 7 made great strides in throwing away the old Windows CE code that WinMo was based on, growing alot as a touch interface, but with that shift came a lack of software to run on the thing. If I have a major complaint with iOS, it's that iTunes very much shows it's age, and feels as if it is an MP3 player with a bunch of stuff grafted on to it. Specifically, the complete lack of a usable purchase history eats at me every time I have the question of "Did I already buy this?".

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Oh, and I'm playing Tiny Wings and Infinity Blade right now. The first is a great casual game perfectly matched to the touch interface. The second is a beast of a tech demo, Unreal 3 running on a mobile device. It's beautiful, and has a pretty damn good game hidden underneath that beauty!
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How is iOS worlds ahead of android?

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Not the point of the thread.
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I picked up a 64G iPad at launch. I have had an iPhoen since the iPhone 3 first came out. It may be a tiny bot bulky but I do not mind and I do not miss a camera at all. I may pick up an iPad 2... will think about it more after I see them in action.

They may seem expensive but when I look at what I spent on my PSP ($300) and then paid $30-$40 on games... UGH. I have some pretty amazing games on my iOS devices and I almost only buy on .99 sales.

FPS on my iPhone are far better controlling than anything I every played on my PSP or DS.

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The cameras on the Ipad 2 are crap, just as bad as the ones on the ipod touch 4th gen. Ok for facetime or a picture mailed to a cell phone, but nothing else at all.

I'm tempted to pick up an ipad2 and get rid of my ipod touch 3G, maybe even my ipod touch 4G.....not sure....decisions, decisions....

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Maybe you guys could get AVS to start a "portable" forum (been thinking about this)? This doesn't really fit in with the HTPC gaming forum all that much.

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Well, with a $9.00 IR emitter any "touch" device from apple is a Pronto Remote so.....oh wait that doesn't apply at all :P

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"The cameras on the Ipad 2 are crap, just as bad as the ones on the ipod touch 4th gen. Ok for facetime or a picture mailed to a cell phone, but nothing else at all."

You're missing the point then. Cameras on the iPad are important for Facetime, but more so for augmented reality software, not for saving memories. We all have 5MP in our pockets attached to our phones for memories.

"This doesn't really fit in with the HTPC gaming forum all that much."

'Cuz we stay soo on topic here, right? If the PSP belongs in the Playstation section, and the DS belongs in the Nintendo section, then portable PCs belong in the PC section. Besides, it's not like I'm taking up valuable bits that could be used on other topics here. Maybe you haven't noticed, but this isn't exactly the most active section on AVS. If you're going to go ahead and dictate that HTPC talk is the only thing allowed here, then you're going to end up with about three active users real quick. Really, how many of us here have actual HTPCs? Isn't that idea a little 2005?

"I have some pretty amazing games on my iOS devices and I almost only buy on .99 sales"

Yes! Hi again, Frank. You've written in to In Game Chat before, huh?

What are you playing right now? The volume of extremely good quality product available on the platform for $5 or less is amazing. It's also pretty shocking how often the big publishers get it so very wrong, spitting out a cut-down console port for $7-10, and then never updating the product beyond it's original release.

On the other hand you have the Minigores and Angry Birds of the platform constantly spitting out updates and expanded content, all included in the original price. It's as if the smaller guys are really paying attention to the Valve business model. Support the product with years of free content, and you can't help but sell billions of copies as your user base sells your product to their friends for you.
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Why not just a general tablet section? Dave is right, this has nothing to do with HTPC's

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Some casual games work great on the large iPad screen - Cut the Rope HD for instance. I just picked up Dungeon Hunter 2 HD on sale for $0.99, so I'm about to give that a whirl.

But for the most part I find the iPad a bit too big and heavy for handheld gaming. I can't bring myself to replace my iPad with iPad2, although those TouchArcade reports are tempting!

EDIT: Damn, for a buck, Dungeon Hunter 2 HD is a great buy!
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Daver brings up a good point. TouchArcade is my primary source for iOS gaming news. You just have to internally filter out their overzealous nature. It's as if they are afraid to piss off any publishers, therefore losing access. For new regarding awesome sales and whatnot though? They are fantastic!

http://toucharcade.com/

And I must have missed $1 Dungeon Hunter 2 HD. I only see DH1, and I already have that for iPhone.
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I just looked at Dundeon Hunter 2 HD also. Was going to get it but @ $6.99 now I'll wait.

I have the iPod Touch 3rd gen model and liked it so much when it was time for a phone I picked up an iPhone 4 at launch. Got a 32GB iPad Wi-Fi and use it more than any of the others now. Great for a quick game at lunch or to use browsing the internet while watching sports. Really enjoy the heck out of mine.

Playing Madskills Motocross right now and Reckless Racing. Picked up a few other demos and will get into thiose over time. Just picked up the DVD Profiler App for it and synched it with my collection on the PC.

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Dark Nebula 2 is a freebie for a limited time.

Well worth a download. Even looks great on iPad in 2x mode.
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Playing Dark Nebula 2 right now on my phone. It's one of those titles that makes great use of the platform's input strengths, relying on tilt motion. It's always nice to see devs avoid on-screen button sprites.
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Not the point of the thread.

Then why'd you bring it up?
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"The cameras on the Ipad 2 are crap, just as bad as the ones on the ipod touch 4th gen. Ok for facetime or a picture mailed to a cell phone, but nothing else at all."

You're missing the point then. Cameras on the iPad are important for Facetime, but more so for augmented reality software, not for saving memories. We all have 5MP in our pockets attached to our phones for memories.

"This doesn't really fit in with the HTPC gaming forum all that much."

'Cuz we stay soo on topic here, right? If the PSP belongs in the Playstation section, and the DS belongs in the Nintendo section, then portable PCs belong in the PC section. Besides, it's not like I'm taking up valuable bits that could be used on other topics here. Maybe you haven't noticed, but this isn't exactly the most active section on AVS. If you're going to go ahead and dictate that HTPC talk is the only thing allowed here, then you're going to end up with about three active users real quick. Really, how many of us here have actual HTPCs? Isn't that idea a little 2005?

"I have some pretty amazing games on my iOS devices and I almost only buy on .99 sales"

Yes! Hi again, Frank. You've written in to In Game Chat before, huh?

What are you playing right now? The volume of extremely good quality product available on the platform for $5 or less is amazing. It's also pretty shocking how often the big publishers get it so very wrong, spitting out a cut-down console port for $7-10, and then never updating the product beyond it's original release.

On the other hand you have the Minigores and Angry Birds of the platform constantly spitting out updates and expanded content, all included in the original price. It's as if the smaller guys are really paying attention to the Valve business model. Support the product with years of free content, and you can't help but sell billions of copies as your user base sells your product to their friends for you.

Or you you could own a Droid X and have an 8MP camera.
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dysfuntion: The definition of "can't see the forest for the trees". Getting stuck on little details, completely missing the point a bit, aren't you?

You have a Droid X I take it? You like it? Good! I'm glad. Android will absolutely be the largest OS on the planet real quick. Since you seem to be intent on picking out details though, let's go ahead and cover a couple.

Usability? Well, Android works well enough as a phone, browser and PDA. It's a bit of a Linux geek toy, but it works. Until you want to install an app at least. Then you have the horrible problems of "Do I get it from the store? The developer's website?", "Does it work on my device? Has it ever even been tested on it?". Yeah, Android runs on a lot of things, but with that variety in hardware has come a headache in software, and a greatly increased chance of programming for the lowest common denominator. Companies can throw all the fancy input tools and performance hardware that they want in to a handset, but devs are going to be targeting the Droid 1 for years, guaranteeing that newer hardware never gets used to it's full capability. All of this boils down to a pretty crap experience for the end user, when compared to the alternative. Windows Phone 7 suffers from a similar problem, except that it actually has a pretty fantastic interface and a proper app store. Unfortunately it will take a good 2 years to get a reasonable catalogue of software built up for the thing. Even then, the handset variety will be too great for targeted development, resulting in the Android problem of "everybody gets software made for a three year old phone".

Camera resolution? I wasn't talking about any specific device when I said "We all have 5MP in our pockets attached to our phones", that's just the average resolution these days on a phone. But hey, if you want to talk about specific models, hands down the iPhone 4's 5MP camera beats the crap out of the Droid X' 8MP camera. Megapixels mean roughly nothing, and haven't meant anything in any type of non-SLR camera since we passed the ~3MP range. The software behind the 4's camera is fantastic, but more importantly the CCD is rather large for a phone. You won't find a better quality camera on a phone. It's not best camera ever made, nor is it even as good as your average $150 point-n-shoot.

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I got an iPad 2 on launch day and have been enjoying it. I waited to see what the Xoom would be like, and it just wasn't ready for primetime. Plus, I mainly want a tablet for gaming and entertainment purposes as well as quick web browsing. Since the app store has so many games, many being free or on sale for 99 cents, it was a no-brainer.

I got the black 64GB wi-fi only version and use my HTC Evo's hotspotting feature to get unlimited data usage for a set price as opposed to trying to figure out AT&T's or Verizon's pricing/data structure. Plus, I can get 4G in some areas around DC. Woohoo.

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I figured this would happen... The iPad2 does 1080p with HDMI out... And the Real Racing 2 HD game will take advantage of that by turning the iPad into a controller with a readout, while the actual racing is output to a big screen via HDMI.

This is cool.. Want.
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Problem is, its not wireless...so its a steering wheel with an HDMI cord dangling off one side. Cool, yes. Practical? No. :P

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Problem is, its not wireless...so its a steering wheel with an HDMI cord dangling off one side. Cool, yes. Practical? No. :P

Wireless would be ideal, but its still pretty damn cool for a device that costs about what I used to pay for a video card.

Maybe someday it can stream 1080p wirelessly to an Apple TV box?
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Well, lets think about this. The new HDMI Output works with the 4th Gen Ipod Touch, the Iphone4 and the ipad2 (does it work with ipad 1?). I have an ipad2 on order and I already own a touch.

What they need to do is make the ipad2 a console: Ipad2 with dongle attached to TV with HDMI, running real Racing 2 at 1080p output to PC.

Ipod/iphone connected to ipad2 via bluetooth link.

Wow, Apple just snuck themselves into the console market huh

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Video will already stream wirelessly from the iPad to AppleTV. It's not much of a stretch to see that coming the games in the next iOS update, if it isn't already there.
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Nevermind. AirPlay came to apps with iOS 4.3. You'll see games wirelessly streaming to a $100 ATV fairly soon I'd think.
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....the only way it can do that is via Bluetooth right, since you can't 'broadcast' over wifi from an ipod or anything.....and bluetooth doesn't have the bandwidth to handle HD streams.....but I agree, they are onto something.

Ipad2 to TV with an iphone or ipod touch connected via bluetooth as the virtual controller. I can see that being developed big time and leveraged.

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From what I can tell AirPlay doesn't care if it's a BT or wifi connection. It's just a protocol layered on either. So, wifi AirPlay from iPod to ATV should handle HD just fine. I just don't know if it's implemented in that fashion yet in anything.
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....the only way it can do that is via Bluetooth right, since you can't 'broadcast' over wifi from an ipod or anything.....and bluetooth doesn't have the bandwidth to handle HD streams.....but I agree, they are onto something.

Ipad2 to TV with an iphone or ipod touch connected via bluetooth as the virtual controller. I can see that being developed big time and leveraged.

Or it could use Airplay via an Apple TV 2 as dlj suggested. I'm not sure this would work very well to be honest. When I stream video from my ipad to the ATV the controls on the ipad lag quite a bit. What I mean by that is if I hit play or pause on ipad screen it takes a couple of seconds for the event to happen on the TV.

The other problem is that today Airplay is just a simple server that serves encoded video & audio to the end device to decode and display. It doesn't do anything more than that, which is a pretty big impediment to the low latency needed for gaming. I guess your idea of wiring the ipad2 to the TV and using BT or wifi to control it with an iphone/itouch makes the most sense.
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I think I'm just confused, since I don't own an AppleTV thingie and I'm really not "Mr. Apple Tech" even on my ipod touch and upcoming ipad2.

So you can stream movies from the AppleTV to the Itouch and the Ipad, and you can also stream in reverse? from the ipad/itouch to the TV?

Ok ok...wait...so I'm guessing this means both of these devices are connected via Wireless LAN right? It doesn't work device to device, it works device to your wireless router to your device. Or does the AppleTV have a built in WiFi setup all its own?

Can't be bluetooth, not enough bandwidth for streaming video (or barely audio as anyone with stereo bluetooth headphones will tell you) but I'm just confused on the tech part.

I use an app called Air Video Server that I think its the greatest thing since pre-cubed cheese....stream and on-the-fly convert any video I have to my ipad/ipod...$2.99 and I can now stream to those two devices, and then with the HDMI dongle I can stream to a TV, my projector, etc. I thought AIRPLAY was just for...uh...audio and apple-purchased video from itunes?, or am I thinking of something else).

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I think I'm just confused, since I don't own an AppleTV thingie and I'm really not "Mr. Apple Tech" even on my ipod touch and upcoming ipad2.

So you can stream movies from the AppleTV to the Itouch and the Ipad, and you can also stream in reverse? from the ipad/itouch to the TV?

Ok ok...wait...so I'm guessing this means both of these devices are connected via Wireless LAN right? It doesn't work device to device, it works device to your wireless router to your device. Or does the AppleTV have a built in WiFi setup all its own?

Can't be bluetooth, not enough bandwidth for streaming video (or barely audio as anyone with stereo bluetooth headphones will tell you) but I'm just confused on the tech part.

I use an app called Air Video Server that I think its the greatest thing since pre-cubed cheese....stream and on-the-fly convert any video I have to my ipad/ipod...$2.99 and I can now stream to those two devices, and then with the HDMI dongle I can stream to a TV, my projector, etc. I thought AIRPLAY was just for...uh...audio and apple-purchased video from itunes?, or am I thinking of something else).

It's via wifi, so to your router then to the ATV. No ad-hoc in the ATV.

It's not for playing to the ipad/ipod/iphone. It's for going from those devices to the ATV. However, there is an app called Airview that turns your iOS device into an airplay endpoint (there are also a couple of apps by Erica Sadun that turn an Mac into an airplay receiver). The ATV has no ability to initiate a stream, however, so this would be for going from a Mac or other iOS device to your device. Airplay with iOS 4.3 (and 4.2/4.2.1 on the ATV) allows any application to tie into the airplay API to send video to the ATV. The problem I mentioned earlier is that airplay is just an HTTP server that sets up a stream to the end device, sending the encoded audio/video and letting the end device decode it. So I don't think games will be able to utilize airplay unless there are some pretty drastic changes made to it.

I also think that Air Video is a really great app. With iOS 4.3, the latest version of Air Video, and the latest beta of Air Video Server, you can also start a video playing on your iDevice and then airplay it to your ATV, which is pretty sweet. Before that I had to use Erica Sadun's OSX app that let me manually select a file to play and airplay it from my MBP. It's much more convenient having this ability built into the iOS app.

Also, bluetooth is fine for audio. I've got the bluetooth adapter for my Pioneer receiver and it works great, with one huge caveat. Multiple BT devices in close proximity to each other (where only one is streaming to my receiver) seem to interfere with each other. If I turn off the BT in my iphone and ipad and use my MBP to stream while all are sitting within a couple of feet of each other, for example, it works really well. If I have the BT in the other devices on (and not in use), they seem to interfere if I wake them up to do something.
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