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Hey guys. I'm building a new gaming desktop. Last time I did this was about 7 years ago, so as you can imagine some things have changed. I really haven't kept up with the latest, but this is what I am looking at.

Tell me what you think. Is this going to run all the games I wanna play for a while? Anything you would change?

Also, I have a radeon 6850 in this build that is crossfire ready. Will I be able to add a second 6850 in the future with this particular motherboard? It says 2 16x pci express slots, but they are 8x when both are used. Is that okay?



ASUS P8P67 PRO (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$189.99 -$53.00 Instant $136.99


Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
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CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TW3X4G1333C9
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XFX HD-685X-ZDFC Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
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Western Digital Caviar Black WD5002AALX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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Tell me what you think. Is this going to run all the games I wanna play for a while? Anything you would change?

The build looks great. Assuming your display is 1920x1080, you will achieve at least high quality visual settings with most modern games.

You might want to bump up the RAM to 8GB since DDR3 prices will likely not be this low for long. For about $30 more, you can get this kit with an existing discount.

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Also, I have a radeon 6850 in this build that is crossfire ready. Will I be able to add a second 6850 in the future with this particular motherboard? It says 2 16x pci express slots, but they are 8x when both are used. Is that okay?

Your chosen motherboard supports CrossFireX, so you will be able to use two 6850s.

The difference between x8/x8 and x16/x16 bandwidth for CrossFireX or SLI with today's cards is absolutely miniscule. I think the site Tom's Hardware has a particularly good write-up on this that contains benchmark results.
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Thanks for the info. I may go ahead and up the ram like you suggested.

I've got a crap monitor at the moment, but I'm gonna ask for that as a birthday gift at around the same time I get the PC.

Would dual 6850's even be necessary for a while? I've got my eye on BF3 late this year, that's why I want to be able to keep my options open.

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Cooler Master PSUs are not that great. I have had good luck with Corsair Series. (about 40 or so builds now) Always buy more power than you think you need. It will lead to a more stable system in the long run and last a few upgrade cycles.

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Remo, I just built mine a few weeks ago. I wouldn't go SLI right off the bat. I have no clue about the Radeon cards but my nvidia 580 has played everything I've thrown at it with max settings on my 1080p tv.

Good luck with your build and take your time!

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I'd also grab a different power supply. I look at either corsair Blackssr has linked
or this is also a great supply. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703030

I know they are a bit more money but IMO if it takes saving up for another month to get the better one? thats the way to go. A good supply is the foundation of any system.

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I'd also grab a different power supply. I look at either corsair Blackssr has linked
or this is also a great supply. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703030

I know they are a bit more money but IMO if it takes saving up for another month to get the better one? thats the way to go. A good supply is the foundation of any system.

PC Power and Cooling is now owned by OCZ. QC is not what they used to be. I swore by their PSU back in the day, but since OCZ stepped in your mileage will vary.

Sort of like when Dell purchased Alienware. Straight down hill after that.
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Our failure rate for PC P&C is only .7% at the store I build rigs for (lowest of all our ps supplies by 4%). thats even after the OCZ merger. The OCZ rep told me that OCZ didn't do anything to the pc brand and bought them for their OEM business (but in reality who knows for sure). Plus they have the 7 year warranty.

I personally like the corsair gold and HX series and the newer antec ones. Zippy would be the one of, if not best supplies IMO but are expensive and we don't sell them because no one would buy them lol IF PC would make a good modular design I'd have them up there with Corsair (VX550, TX750 & 850, HX1000 are Channel west and the rest of the lines are seasonic)

The PC P&C turbo 1200 is a monster of a supply with 100A on it's single monster rail LOL (it was made by Win-tact but now apparently once stock runs out, it may be a seasonic like their other supplies)

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Okay. I'll look into those other power supplies. I'm in no real hurry, so I'm planning on taking my team and hopefully finding some of these during some sales or something. I'm trying to stay under a thousand because my company gives no interest loans up to $1000 to us for computers.

With my current build plus an OEM Windows 7, I should be able to stay right under $1000 before tax.

Edit: About the i7, when I was reading comparisons on the i5 and i7 the price they had listed was a pretty big difference. Looking at newegg though, shows they are only about $40 apart, so I may look into that also. From what I read, both can be overclocked easily though.

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Remo, I just built mine a few weeks ago. I wouldn't go SLI right off the bat. I have no clue about the Radeon cards but my nvidia 580 has played everything I've thrown at it with max settings on my 1080p tv.

Good luck with your build and take your time!

Your 580 is at least 2x as powerful as a 6850, maybe more.
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Nice build, I'd go with a Z68 motherboard and probably a 5850 video card, which many people don't know is slightly faster than a 6850 and can be had for about $149. There is really no need to step up to a I7-2600k for gaming. The cpu does very little once you get to the I5-2500k. You are better off putting the money in a faster card.

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Nice build OP...

I think right now one 6850 card is good for now... just make sure whatever mother board and power supply you get will support dual cards (Crossfire) in the future...

By the time BF3 comes out I'm sure the prices for 6850 cards will drop and you can pick up another one at a lower price to crossfire...and enjoy the game in its full eye candy with dual 6850s... which would only make sense if you plan to game at 1920x1200 or higher resolutions.

The 6850 supports 3D 1080P and HD Audio Bitstreaming and the 5850 does not (correct me if I am wrong).


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So I decided to just completely throw out my old build (and budget). I figured that I don't do this very often and I want to make sure this one will last and is upgradable. Besides, if I'm not happy with the performance, no matter how much it costs, I'm not going to feel like it's worth it.

Here's my new build http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=12999334. Comes in at $1300 and that includes windows 7 and a monitor. This if final for sure. I'm just buying piece by piece when I see parts go on sale. I stuck with the i5 2500k processer. With everything I've read, it's easy to overclock and outperforms an i7 after it's overclocked. The Radeon 6950 is easily flashed to a 6970 and even has a reset button if you screw it up.

I'm thinking for Christmas I may buy myself a second 6950 if needed and an 80gb SSD.

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So I decided to just completely throw out my old build (and budget). I figured that I don't do this very often and I want to make sure this one will last and is upgradable. Besides, if I'm not happy with the performance, no matter how much it costs, I'm not going to feel like it's worth it.

Here's my new build http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=12999334. Comes in at $1300 and that includes windows 7 and a monitor. This if final for sure. I'm just buying piece by piece when I see parts go on sale. I stuck with the i5 2500k processer. With everything I've read, it's easy to overclock and outperforms an i7 after it's overclocked. The Radeon 6950 is easily flashed to a 6970 and even has a reset button if you screw it up.

I'm thinking for Christmas I may buy myself a second 6950 if needed and an 80gb SSD.

Why 7 Pro? I would ditch Pro, get Home and get the i7 2600K. You save about $ 45.00 on Pro and you can add $ 40.00 and get the best CPU out right now.
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So I decided to just completely throw out my old build (and budget). I figured that I don't do this very often and I want to make sure this one will last and is upgradable. Besides, if I'm not happy with the performance, no matter how much it costs, I'm not going to feel like it's worth it.

Here's my new build http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=12999334. Comes in at $1300 and that includes windows 7 and a monitor. This if final for sure. I'm just buying piece by piece when I see parts go on sale. I stuck with the i5 2500k processer. With everything I've read, it's easy to overclock and outperforms an i7 after it's overclocked. The Radeon 6950 is easily flashed to a 6970 and even has a reset button if you screw it up.

I'm thinking for Christmas I may buy myself a second 6950 if needed and an 80gb SSD.

That price is almost exactly what I paid (with a monitor) for my recent build (also an i5 2500k). I got a 6950, but not one that could be flashed to a 6970, and I think it is running great so far for me. Be careful, as I guess a lot of newer 6950s can't be flashed.

Edit: Also, you may want to see if any of your components are available in combo deals (I bought most of my build through a combo deal newegg had). Like this combo gets you $25 off the Windows 7 you have and the motherboard you have.
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That price is almost exactly what I paid (with a monitor) for my recent build (also an i5 2500k). I got a 6950, but not one that could be flashed to a 6970, and I think it is running great so far for me. Be careful, as I guess a lot of newer 6950s can't be flashed.

Edit: Also, you may want to see if any of your components are available in combo deals (I bought most of my build through a combo deal newegg had). Like this combo gets you $25 off the Windows 7 you have and the motherboard you have.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.652890

I actually bought the case and Windows7 through a combo deal. I just wish it was easier to search for combo deals on the components you want. That part of the site isn't put together very well.

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I actually bought the case and Windows7 through a combo deal. I just wish it was easier to search for combo deals on the components you want. That part of the site isn't put together very well.

I usually go to a particular product that I want, and then scroll towards the bottom. If there are combos it shows one, and then has a link to more combos with the product to browse.

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Why 7 Pro? I would ditch Pro, get Home and get the i7 2600K. You save about $ 45.00 on Pro and you can add $ 40.00 and get the best CPU out right now.

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Pro is nice because you can use it to do software raid zero your game and media drives. I wish I went for PRO in the first place.

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Most modern mainboards have raid built in so that is a not a factor. The only advantage to Pro is the ability to log onto a domain based network. For a gaming machine it is a wasted $60.00. I would have put the money towards the 2600K instead of getting the 2500 series with is an inferior CPU. I even think Home has Windows backup also.
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I agree that pro is a waste of $ for a gaming machine. If you got it for cheap though, then thats all good.

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The only reason I got pro was because of the combo deal. With the combo, I got it for the same price as home. I didn't see any combo deals I could use for home.

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Got all of my parts in last night. I also went ahead and bought a 120gb ssd.

Had a couple of frustrating moments. First, I was about to put on my cooler master heat sink and realized they shorted me one very important nut. Without it I couldn't mount the bracket on one corner and the thing was very wobbly. I went to Home depot and of course they had screws in the place they were supposed to have the metric nut so I had to go to lowes. Worked out in the end but very frustrating.

The second is when I had everything put together and was about to plug my monitor in and realized that I didn't put that metal labeling plate in the back of the case where the motherboard ports stick out. FACEPALM. I didn't go back in and put it in because I had everything installed and tied down and it would have been a major pain. Just kind of rigged it to stay on from the back of the case.

Got windows loaded and my video drivers installed but by the time I was finished I was too tired to mess with anything else. I will say I'm glad I got the SSD. The clean windows 7 boots in 3 seconds and one of those seconds is the bios screen giving you the opportunity to push a button.

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Got all of my parts in last night. I also went ahead and bought a 120gb ssd.

Had a couple of frustrating moments. First, I was about to put on my cooler master heat sink and realized they shorted me one very important nut. Without it I couldn't mount the bracket on one corner and the thing was very wobbly. I went to Home depot and of course they had screws in the place they were supposed to have the metric nut so I had to go to lowes. Worked out in the end but very frustrating.

The second is when I had everything put together and was about to plug my monitor in and realized that I didn't put that metal labeling plate in the back of the case where the motherboard ports stick out. FACEPALM. I didn't go back in and put it in because I had everything installed and tied down and it would have been a major pain. Just kind of rigged it to stay on from the back of the case.

Got windows loaded and my video drivers installed but by the time I was finished I was too tired to mess with anything else. I will say I'm glad I got the SSD. The clean windows 7 boots in 3 seconds and one of those seconds is the bios screen giving you the opportunity to push a button.

I'll let you guys know how it runs a couple games later.

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I went with the Intel 510 which is a sata3. I had it narrowed down between that and the Vertex 3 but from pro reviews they usually recommended the Intel because of reliability and small scale read times.

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I went with the Intel 510 which is a sata3.

Good choice. The Intel SSDs are plenty fast, and they seem to have the greatest percentage of positive user experiences.
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Vertex 3 and Corsair force 3 are using the new sandforce controller. What a disaster. Corsair now has a formal RMA for all the new force series 3 drives (mine included of course) and my Vertex 3 went dead for the third time!!!!!! 3 RMA's and I'm never buying a ocz or corsair drive again. Looks like a firmware problem but if they are recalling drives, may be something more to it.

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Just wanted to give a quick update for anyone interested in building a similar system.

I downloaded the Witcher 2, which everyone is saying is one of the prettiest games to come out in a long time and will push your system more than any other game out (maybe even Metro 2033). I downloaded it last night and played it for about a half hour on my lunch break today.

I put the graphics settings all on their max value (except for ubersampling, even people running sli cards aren't running that well) and I get about 50fps which is more than playable and a min of 30 on the really intense parts. Game looks gorgeous too.

Only changes I've made is I overclocked my cpu to 4.2mhz from 3.5. I was going to try to unlock the shaders in the 6950, but after reading most people don't see more than 1-3 fps difference and it's just not worth it to me.

I'm still planning on adding a second 6950 around the time BF3 comes out. From everything I've read, the crossfire on 6900 series works very well and gives you almost double the performance of a single card.

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