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post #31 of 52 Old 08-27-2012, 05:02 AM
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I like this list but replace the motherboard with a newer Z77 chipset.
Like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821
And if you're getting a full size case then replace the low profile heatsink with this Noctua, only $10 more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018
Also consider RAID-0 SSD's for the full 'bad-ass' effect. biggrin.gif
Have fun!

Agreed with both of those changes, worth it for sure.

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you sit back and take that drink Marafice my friend. you certainly deserve it! thanks again everyone. i certainly think that Z77 is a welcome addition.
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yes there are $4000 computers but the returns really diminish.
Why do you want a 2600K, I own one and I own 2 2500Ks, save $100 and get the 2500K it wil OC right to the 2600K levels and will perform just as well in games. I put them all to 4.0 ghz on air with the stock heat sink and stock thermal paste. No voltage changes not a single problem. These things tend to OC better than ivy bridge, the big gains in ivy bridge where in the on chip GPU (HD4000) so if you are about to buy a nice GPU you arent going to care about that GPU performance so the over clock on the sandybridge part is a better buy for performance than the ivy bridge parts.
PubFiction, not sure what the 2600k and 2500k is lol. I guess the CPU?
There’s been a bit of a bump in the road tho…Microcenter doesn’t have all the recommended parts (boo). And they said they can’t order in from other Micros (I’d be using the Ohio – Cincinnati/ Sharonville store exclusively if ya wanna look at their inventory). Now they DID tell me that I can get parts from elsewhere (Newegg, Amazon) and they would use them in the build, so that’s good if there’s some part I just gotta have that they don’t. also they give a 90 day warranty on the built unit itself, and I get all the packaging and warranties from the individual parts, and the rebates and free game (Borderlands 2) promos I get too. AND they’ll work w/ me on prices if they’re higher than Newegg. Like that! Because they’re like $50 more on the EVGA 4GB 670 Superclocked card (Marafice, the last card you linked to is outta stock so was thinkin of going w/ that evga).
So I’ve put together a list of Microcenter stuff that I think might be comparable. See what ya think…
Case – I’m not sure here at all. I figure it’s gotta be a full size. Maybe this, tho it’s more than wanted to spend. http://www.microcenter.com/product/338051/HAF_X_Full_Tower_ATX_Gaming_Computer_Case


Power Supply – TOTALLY not sure here. could really use help here. don’t wanna scrimp on this. They got a Fatal1ty 1000w that might be good deal. Couple Gold certs. I dunno. Help!
http://www.microcenter.com/product/365788/Enthusiast_Series_TX850M_850_Watt_High_Performance_Modular_ATX_Power_Supply
http://www.microcenter.com/product/382334/LEPA_Series_850_Watt_ATX_Modular_Power_Supply




Motherboard – I think this is the same z77 mob
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388088/SABERTOOTH_Z77_LGA_1155_Z77_ATX_Intel_Motherboard

CPU – they got the same 17 and it’s a lot cheaper!
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388575/Core_i7_3770K_35GHz_LGA_1155_Processor


CPU Cooler – I’d like to get this recommended one but MC ain’t got it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=4003003&SID=28x0hi7pimi1
help on this please. MC have a comparable one?

RAM –this maybe? It has rebate
http://www.microcenter.com/product/382998/XMS3_Series_16GB_DDR3-1333MHz_%28PC3-10666%29_CL_9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_%28Four_4GB_Memory_Modules%29

SSD – They got the same and it’s cheaper!
http://www.microcenter.com/product/385838/830_Series_MZ-7PC256B-WW_256GB_SATA_60Gb-s_25_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_%28SSD%29_with_3-core_MCX_Controller


HDD – do I need a 2nd hdd?
now I have to admit, the lil woman kinda balked on the newest builds. She said since I’d been asking all along for a build that would play games at their best, and was getting builds for $1000-1300, she didn’t really think y’all could add that much to it lol. So in the interest of her not hating me for the next year, I wouldn’t mind cutting some costs a bit if possible. But I don’t wanna lower gaming quality much. I’m still gonna take advantage of her offer. So do I need a 2nd HDD? How’s it help in gaming. Like I keep all my currently played games and stuff on the main SDD, and stuff like old games, movies, ect on the 2nd? I usually deletes old games since I either have discs or can reinstall off Steam, and I make a backup of saves onto an external drive I have.

Oh and what’s RAID do? Does it help w/ gaming? I was reading that RAID -0 can be bad, in that if 1 HDD goes down you can lose all data.
anyway, thanks again for all your help. sorry to keep bothering, but we're sooo close now!


edit: dammit! didn't think about local tax. it's already up to like $130. maybe i should just buy a couple things at Microcenter and the rest off Newgg or Amazon (i build up points there). then i'd save tax. but it'd take probably 10 days to get it all in. wanted to get started ;(
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you sit back and take that drink Marafice my friend. you certainly deserve it! thanks again everyone. i certainly think that Z77 is a welcome addition.
PubFiction, not sure what the 2600k and 2500k is lol. I guess the CPU?
There’s been a bit of a bump in the road tho…Microcenter doesn’t have all the recommended parts (boo). And they said they can’t order in from other Micros (I’d be using the Ohio – Cincinnati/ Sharonville store exclusively if ya wanna look at their inventory). Now they DID tell me that I can get parts from elsewhere (Newegg, Amazon) and they would use them in the build, so that’s good if there’s some part I just gotta have that they don’t. also they give a 90 day warranty on the built unit itself, and I get all the packaging and warranties from the individual parts, and the rebates and free game (Borderlands 2) promos I get too. AND they’ll work w/ me on prices if they’re higher than Newegg. Like that! Because they’re like $50 more on the EVGA 4GB 670 Superclocked card (Marafice, the last card you linked to is outta stock so was thinkin of going w/ that evga).
So I’ve put together a list of Microcenter stuff that I think might be comparable. See what ya think…
Case – I’m not sure here at all. I figure it’s gotta be a full size. Maybe this, tho it’s more than wanted to spend. http://www.microcenter.com/product/338051/HAF_X_Full_Tower_ATX_Gaming_Computer_Case
Power Supply – TOTALLY not sure here. could really use help here. don’t wanna scrimp on this. They got a Fatal1ty 1000w that might be good deal. Couple Gold certs. I dunno. Help!
http://www.microcenter.com/product/365788/Enthusiast_Series_TX850M_850_Watt_High_Performance_Modular_ATX_Power_Supply
http://www.microcenter.com/product/382334/LEPA_Series_850_Watt_ATX_Modular_Power_Supply
Motherboard – I think this is the same z77 mob
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388088/SABERTOOTH_Z77_LGA_1155_Z77_ATX_Intel_Motherboard
CPU – they got the same 17 and it’s a lot cheaper!
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388575/Core_i7_3770K_35GHz_LGA_1155_Processor
CPU Cooler – I’d like to get this recommended one but MC ain’t got it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=4003003&SID=28x0hi7pimi1
help on this please. MC have a comparable one?
RAM –this maybe? It has rebate
http://www.microcenter.com/product/382998/XMS3_Series_16GB_DDR3-1333MHz_%28PC3-10666%29_CL_9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_%28Four_4GB_Memory_Modules%29
SSD – They got the same and it’s cheaper!
http://www.microcenter.com/product/385838/830_Series_MZ-7PC256B-WW_256GB_SATA_60Gb-s_25_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_%28SSD%29_with_3-core_MCX_Controller
HDD – do I need a 2nd hdd?
now I have to admit, the lil woman kinda balked on the newest builds. She said since I’d been asking all along for a build that would play games at their best, and was getting builds for $1000-1300, she didn’t really think y’all could add that much to it lol. So in the interest of her not hating me for the next year, I wouldn’t mind cutting some costs a bit if possible. But I don’t wanna lower gaming quality much. I’m still gonna take advantage of her offer. So do I need a 2nd HDD? How’s it help in gaming. Like I keep all my currently played games and stuff on the main SDD, and stuff like old games, movies, ect on the 2nd? I usually deletes old games since I either have discs or can reinstall off Steam, and I make a backup of saves onto an external drive I have.
Oh and what’s RAID do? Does it help w/ gaming? I was reading that RAID -0 can be bad, in that if 1 HDD goes down you can lose all data.
anyway, thanks again for all your help. sorry to keep bothering, but we're sooo close now!
edit: dammit! didn't think about local tax. it's already up to like $130. maybe i should just buy a couple things at Microcenter and the rest off Newgg or Amazon (i build up points there). then i'd save tax. but it'd take probably 10 days to get it all in. wanted to get started ;(

For those PSU choices, go with the Corsair, bit better build quality.

Since they don't have the Noctua cooler, I checked the store stock for the MC near you, and in terms of comparability with airflow, this was the closest, same price pretty much.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/365242/Frio_OCK_Universal_CPU_Cooler

You're going to want a 2nd hdd outside of the SSD.

Basically all you're going to put on the SSD is WIndows, your major programs, and the couple games you KNOW you're going to play for a while. You don't need to do a 2nd SSD, but you do want a regular hdd as a secondary to store music/media, other files, other games etc.

That ram is ok, but get DDR3-1600 at least, instead of that 1333. the price diff should be minimal (as in a few bucks)

Since they don't have the Raven (that sucks because that really is the absolute best for aircooling) I'd say an Antec Nine Hundred. That HAF is a great case, but it is pricey.

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Oh and what’s RAID do? Does it help w/ gaming? I was reading that RAID -0 can be bad, in that if 1 HDD goes down you can lose all data.

RAID-0 splits parts of data across two or more drives, allowing for faster transfer rates since data is read from and written to all of the relevant drives in a parallel configuration.

To be honest, RAID-0 with SSDs will generally provide minimal benefit with today's games. You would see large benefits with very large data transfers in workstation use, but modern games typically transfer relatively small amounts of data. A single SSD will already get you the minimal access times along with transfer rates that are more than capable for what games call for.

That said, I like RAID-0 with SSDs, especially now that TRIM commands can be enabled in such an array so as to preserve optimal performance. It's a nice way to get a next-generation storage solution.

Yes, RAID-0 does add a point of failure. However, it's easy to backup your Windows installation onto a separate hard drive, and good SSDs are regarded as being very reliable. If you are not at all comfortable with all of this, then disregard RAID-0.
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RAID 0 is for suckers, as you significantly more than double your chances of failure. RAID 1 gives you data redundancy, so if one drive fails you still have everything. It also gives you the same read-speed advantage of RAID 0, which is the important part.

RAID on an SSD at anything lower than the enterprise level is overkill. A setup with an SSD system drive and a pair of conventional HDDs in RAID 1 can be very nice though.
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ok folks, you're gonna hate me probably (please don't), but after wrackin my brain, on this and trying to coordinate parts from Newegg, amazon and microcenter...all going to Microcenter for them to build it...well it was just driving me nuts. seriously, my blood pressure was up and my head throbbing. laid down most of yesterday w/ one of the worst headaches i've ever had lol.

so i just stumbled upon IBuypower and started to configure a system. they have what looks like good Labor Day sales and upgrades going on so figured why not. well oddly, i think i've built a better machine (z79, 2 SDDS in RAID-1, water cooling, superclocked) for less than what we've been talkin here, considering it was gonna be $400-500 in fees, for Micro to build it, local tax, shipping ect. yes it would be a bit cheaper if i bought most parts from Amazon (and i'd get my amazon points but i still get some if i use that card to buy from ibuypwer), and took them to Micro for them to incorporate into the build, but i'd also have to wait probably 2 weeks before all parts came in. thing is i'm still pretty PC ignorant so not sure if i made a good build. could y'all check it, and maybe correct mistakes, add or subtract things that i missed?

for example, i don't care about ibuypower. just stumbled on it. if there's a better online builder than maybe configure something there. i really don't want water cooling but it's all the option i had there. be nice if i could bring the price down a bit, as this is only gonna be used to play games. that's it. i have PS3 for Blurays, and the old computer for surfing, work. so if y'all could take a look and see what ya think. click the SPOILER....
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Labor Day Intel X79 Special
1 x Case ( NZXT Phantom Full Tower Gaming Case - Black )
0 x Case Lighting ( None )
0 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction ( None )
0 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion ( None )
1 x Processor ( Intel® Core™ i7 3820 Processor (4x 3.60GHz/10MB L3 Cache) - Intel Core i7 3820 )
1 x iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( PowerDrive Level 1 - Up to 10% Overclocking )
1 x Processor Cooling ( Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-2011] - Standard 120mm Fan )
1 x Memory ( 16 GB [4 GB X4] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - G.Skill Ripjaws X )
1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 - 4GB - EVGA Superclocked - Core: 1046MHz - Single Card )
1 x Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by AMD or NVIDIA )
1 x Free Stuff ( [FREE Game Download] - Borderlands2 - Free with purchase of NVIDIA GeForce GTX660Ti )
1 x Free Stuff ( [FREE] - Bluetooth 4.0 / Dual Band 802.11n WiFi Expansion Card )
1 x Motherboard ( ASUS P9X79 LE -- 2x USB 3.0 )
1 x Power Supply ( 750 Watt - Corsair CMPSU-750TXV2 - Free Upgrade to 850 Watt Corsair CMPSU-850TXV2 ($20 Savings) )
1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 240 GB Corsair Force Series GT SSD - Dual 240GB Drives (240GB Capacity) - RAID 1 Data Security )
0 x Data Hard Drive ( None )
1 x Optical Drive ( [12X Blu-Ray] LG BLU-RAY Reader, DVD±R/±RW Burner Combo Drive - Black )
0 x 2nd Optical Drive ( None )
1 x Flash Media Reader / Writer ( 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer - Black )
0 x Meter Display ( None )
0 x USB Expansion ( None )
1 x Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
1 x Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
1 x Operating System ( Microsoft Windows 7 Professional + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-bit )
1 x Keyboard ( iBUYPOWER Standard Gaming Keyboard )
1 x Mouse ( iBUYPOWER Standard Gaming Mouse - Blood Red )
0 x Monitor ( None )
0 x 2nd Monitor ( None )
0 x Speaker System ( None )
0 x Video Camera ( None )
1 x Advanced Build Options ( Tuniq TX-2 High Performance Thermal Compound - The best interface between your CPU and the heatsinks )
1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Achieve exceptional airflow in your chassis )
1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Basic Pro Wiring )
0 x Case Engraving Service ( None )
1 x Warranty ( 3 Year Standard Warranty Service )
1 x Rush Service ( Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) - No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days )


thanks again!
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ok folks, you're gonna hate me probably (please don't), but after wrackin my brain, on this and trying to coordinate parts from Newegg, amazon and microcenter...all going to Microcenter for them to build it...well it was just driving me nuts. seriously, my blood pressure was up and my head throbbing. laid down most of yesterday w/ one of the worst headaches i've ever had lol.
so i just stumbled upon IBuypower and started to configure a system. they have what looks like good Labor Day sales and upgrades going on so figured why not. well oddly, i think i've built a better machine (z79, 2 SDDS in RAID-1, water cooling, superclocked) for less than what we've been talkin here, considering it was gonna be $400-500 in fees, for Micro to build it, local tax, shipping ect. yes it would be a bit cheaper if i bought most parts from Amazon (and i'd get my amazon points but i still get some if i use that card to buy from ibuypwer), and took them to Micro for them to incorporate into the build, but i'd also have to wait probably 2 weeks before all parts came in. thing is i'm still pretty PC ignorant so not sure if i made a good build. could y'all check it, and maybe correct mistakes, add or subtract things that i missed?
for example, i don't care about ibuypower. just stumbled on it. if there's a better online builder than maybe configure something there. i really don't want water cooling but it's all the option i had there. be nice if i could bring the price down a bit, as this is only gonna be used to play games. that's it. i have PS3 for Blurays, and the old computer for surfing, work. so if y'all could take a look and see what ya think. click the SPOILER.... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Labor Day Intel X79 Special
1 x Case ( NZXT Phantom Full Tower Gaming Case - Black )
0 x Case Lighting ( None )
0 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction ( None )
0 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion ( None )
1 x Processor ( Intel® Core™ i7 3820 Processor (4x 3.60GHz/10MB L3 Cache) - Intel Core i7 3820 )
1 x iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( PowerDrive Level 1 - Up to 10% Overclocking )
1 x Processor Cooling ( Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-2011] - Standard 120mm Fan )
1 x Memory ( 16 GB [4 GB X4] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - G.Skill Ripjaws X )
1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 - 4GB - EVGA Superclocked - Core: 1046MHz - Single Card )
1 x Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by AMD or NVIDIA )
1 x Free Stuff ( [FREE Game Download] - Borderlands2 - Free with purchase of NVIDIA GeForce GTX660Ti )
1 x Free Stuff ( [FREE] - Bluetooth 4.0 / Dual Band 802.11n WiFi Expansion Card )
1 x Motherboard ( ASUS P9X79 LE -- 2x USB 3.0 )
1 x Power Supply ( 750 Watt - Corsair CMPSU-750TXV2 - Free Upgrade to 850 Watt Corsair CMPSU-850TXV2 ($20 Savings) )
1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 240 GB Corsair Force Series GT SSD - Dual 240GB Drives (240GB Capacity) - RAID 1 Data Security )
0 x Data Hard Drive ( None )
1 x Optical Drive ( [12X Blu-Ray] LG BLU-RAY Reader, DVD±R/±RW Burner Combo Drive - Black )
0 x 2nd Optical Drive ( None )
1 x Flash Media Reader / Writer ( 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer - Black )
0 x Meter Display ( None )
0 x USB Expansion ( None )
1 x Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
1 x Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
1 x Operating System ( Microsoft Windows 7 Professional + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-bit )
1 x Keyboard ( iBUYPOWER Standard Gaming Keyboard )
1 x Mouse ( iBUYPOWER Standard Gaming Mouse - Blood Red )
0 x Monitor ( None )
0 x 2nd Monitor ( None )
0 x Speaker System ( None )
0 x Video Camera ( None )
1 x Advanced Build Options ( Tuniq TX-2 High Performance Thermal Compound - The best interface between your CPU and the heatsinks )
1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Achieve exceptional airflow in your chassis )
1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Basic Pro Wiring )
0 x Case Engraving Service ( None )
1 x Warranty ( 3 Year Standard Warranty Service )
1 x Rush Service ( Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) - No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days )
thanks again!

Heard good and bad about Ibuypower, so I can't really comment. However I can comment on that build list, that's definitely good on the hardware front, though I'm not 100% on that processor, but since it looks like you went with Socket 2011, your only other real choice was a $570 processor, so in this case you're ok. I notice you went with Dual SSD's in Raid-1, not bad, but you're going to miss having extra space, trust me.

Did a slight tweak to that build list, comes out to about $2100 but you're getting a bit better for that extra cash.
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Case
Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Gaming Case Black
Case Lighting
None
iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction
None
iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion
None
Processor
Intel® Core™ i7 3820 Processor (4x 3.60GHz/10MB L3 Cache) - Intel Core i7 3820
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive
None
Processor Cooling
Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-2011] - ARC Dual Silent High Performance Fan Upgrade (Push-Pull Airflow)
Memory
16 GB [4 GB X4] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - G.Skill Ripjaws X
Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 - 4GB - EVGA Superclocked - Core: 1046MHz - Single Card
Video Card Brand
Major Brand Powered by AMD or NVIDIA
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 LE -- 2x USB 3.0
Power Supply
750 Watt - Corsair CMPSU-750TXV2 Free Upgrade to 850 Watt Corsair CMPSU-850TXV2 ($20 Savings)
Primary Hard Drive
240 GB Intel 520 SSD - Single Drive
Data Hard Drive
3 TB HARD DRIVE -- 64M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Optical Drive
[12X Blu-Ray] LG BLU-RAY Reader, DVD±R/±RW Burner Combo Drive Black
2nd Optical Drive
None
Flash Media Reader / Writer
None
Meter Display
None
USB Expansion
None
Sound Card
3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card
Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) 64-bit
Monitor
None
2nd Monitor
None
Speaker System
None
Video Camera
None
Case Engraving Service
None
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty Service
Rush Service
Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) - No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days
Free Stuff
1 x [FREE Game Download] - Borderlands2 Free with purchase of NVIDIA GeForce GTX660Ti
Advanced Build Options
1 x Tuniq TX-2 High Performance Thermal Compound The best interface between your CPU and the heatsinks

Man if I lived near you I'd build it for you easily, Hate to see you spend money you don't have to to have someone else build it.

I'll have to take a look for other places to build that have decent prices, most places cost an arm and a leg.

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Save yourself a couple hundred bucks and skip the RAID-1. Just have the SSD backup onto the harddrive.

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Yeah, no RAID 1 on the SSD. Get a regular harddrive instead of a second SSD for your Steam library. 240GB total storage in a modern system is silly. Glancing at my Steam folder, it's like 400GB all by itself.
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yeah i wish u was close to lol. this is drivin me nuts. if you don't drink, i'd buy ya dinner! lol

i changed my original build too, before i saw your latest. kinda want a full size case because after this whole thing, if i need to upgrade down the road, i think i'll try it myself if not too extensive. and the extra room in the full case will give my trembling hands some room.
do ya think i need a 4gb gpu? they have a special to upgrade from a 2gb 660 to a 3gb 660. thought i'd take advantage if it's a good card for my Skyrim purposes. saves like $250

Questions...

i'm not sure on the motherboard i chose tho. is it good
i play w/ this hooked to a Sony HDTV via HDMI. this thing have HDMI out connections?
what are "expansion systems", flash media reader, and meter display...and do i want them lol?

yeah i think i'm gonna look around at other places. Cyberpower, Digitalstorm, and AVA. because i really wasn't wanting watercooled. oh and is this 2011 socket build better than the z77? Sandy bridge or IVY?
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see, thank you. that's what i mean. i don't know this stuff. because i thought when i had the RAID in there (going from recommendations on bottom of 1st page) , i was getting 2 SSDs and that that would be plenty of storage.
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yeah i wish u was close to lol. this is drivin me nuts. if you don't drink, i'd buy ya dinner! lol
i changed my original build too, before i saw your latest. kinda want a full size case because after this whole thing, if i need to upgrade down the road, i think i'll try it myself if not too extensive. and the extra room in the full case will give my trembling hands some room.
do ya think i need a 4gb gpu? they have a special to upgrade from a 2gb 660 to a 3gb 660. thought i'd take advantage if it's a good card for my Skyrim purposes. saves like $250
Questions...
i'm not sure on the motherboard i chose tho. is it good
i play w/ this hooked to a Sony HDTV via HDMI. this thing have HDMI out connections?
what are "expansion systems", flash media reader, and meter display...and do i want them lol?
yeah i think i'm gonna look around at other places. Cyberpower, Digitalstorm, and AVA. because i really wasn't wanting watercooled. oh and is this 2011 socket build better than the z77?
my newer build... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Labor Day Intel X79 Special
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1 x Case Lighting ( Cold Cathode Neon Light - Green )
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1 x Memory ( 16 GB [4 GB X4] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - G.Skill Ripjaws X )
1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti - 3GB - EVGA Superclocked - Core: 980MHz - Single Card )
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see, thank you. that's what i mean. i don't know this stuff. because i thought when i had the RAID in there (going from recommendations on bottom of 1st page) , i was getting 2 SSDs and that that would be plenty of storage.

If it saves you $250, go ahead and get the 3gb 660. it should be more than enough for now.

Dont worry about HDMI on the motherboard, you won't be using it, you'll be using the HDMI on the video card, so don't fret about that.

Expansion systems, you don't need, unless you REALLY want to monitor your fans and temps with an LCD on the case. The card reader is essentially useless these days since you can connect the device that's using the card, via USB anyway. It's all just extra fluff cost.

As for the case, that's all up to you, go with what you want/like.

Also... save yourself $6 bucks and take their crap mouse and keyboard off lol. You said you have your own already, so drop theirs. I also see speakers on there, if this is for a HT, you wont need them right? Drop them, also the APC Surge Arrest unless you REALLY want/need that.

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Yeah, no RAID 1 on the SSD. Get a regular harddrive instead of a second SSD for your Steam library. 240GB total storage in a modern system is silly. Glancing at my Steam folder, it's like 400GB all by itself.

Yeah. That's what I'd do too. Get a HUGE harddrive so I can install all the games.

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yeah i wish u was close to lol. this is drivin me nuts. if you don't drink, i'd buy ya dinner! lol
i changed my original build too, before i saw your latest. kinda want a full size case because after this whole thing, if i need to upgrade down the road, i think i'll try it myself if not too extensive. and the extra room in the full case will give my trembling hands some room.
do ya think i need a 4gb gpu? they have a special to upgrade from a 2gb 660 to a 3gb 660. thought i'd take advantage if it's a good card for my Skyrim purposes. saves like $250
Questions...
i'm not sure on the motherboard i chose tho. is it good
i play w/ this hooked to a Sony HDTV via HDMI. this thing have HDMI out connections?
what are "expansion systems", flash media reader, and meter display...and do i want them lol?
yeah i think i'm gonna look around at other places. Cyberpower, Digitalstorm, and AVA. because i really wasn't wanting watercooled. oh and is this 2011 socket build better than the z77? Sandy bridge or IVY?
my newer build...
thanks!
see, thank you. that's what i mean. i don't know this stuff. because i thought when i had the RAID in there (going from recommendations on bottom of 1st page) , i was getting 2 SSDs and that that would be plenty of storage.

If you're getting the 660 nVidia, I strongly recommend the 3gig version if there is one even. The 660 has three 64bit memory controlers and youll get more consistent bandwidth and memory coverage if you even out how the memory is allocated. Lol, this is something super simple that is often neglected when choosing a video card. So if there is a 3gig version of the 660, get that one. Not the 2 or 4 gig.

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thanks Scott! they do indeed have a 3gb option for the 660, which i added. but is the 660 that much worse than the 670? seems like a good free upgrade if it's not much worse than 670.

and i'm most confused by 2 things...why they aren't offering any good aircooling options (other online builders are the same way)? always heard water was an expensive option but seems like they're pushing it for cheap. i'd rather not have it.

and also confused on the harddrives. thought the free upgrade from ADATA 120GB SSD to 256gb was good, so i made both the primary and data storage this 256gb SSD. but should i go w/ 1 SSD and 1 3TB regular hardrive instead?
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There isn't a leaping by bounds upgrade from the 660 to the 670 but that really depends on what game you are playing and at what settings. There's too much to go into so you'll have to do your own homework on that. It's easy to search and look up benchmarks comparing ALL the videocards out now.

I'm not really all that experienced with watercooling but it isn't that expensive so maybe they just get a deal on the gear or have some guy that does that for the company. I don't know. One option would be to get all stock cooling if possible and just adding the higher end air cooling gear yourself. It's not hard to do.

Yeah, you'll want one SSD as your main to hold the OS and major programs and use a large hard drive to store all your large data. I had only mentioned getting dual SSD's and stuff because for a moment it sounded like you were going all out on this system. wink.gif

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welp i'm tryin to go "all out" Scott lol. as best i can anyway. hell i saw a pc that STARTED at $8400 at Digitalstorm today. crazy. i thought only NASA lol
anyway, rung a lil more dough outta the wife so came up w/ couple more builds. look 'em over if you would please. i'm lost w/ this Sandy versus Ivy bridge stuff. not sure i've matched up cpus and mobos well. tweaks, advice, money savings as always appreciated!

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so what ya think on the graphic cards?
2 gtx 660 3gb in SLI
1 670 4gb spuerclocked
1 680 2gb superclocked
or i guess even a AMD 7970 3gb? it's $130 cheaper but is it as fast as the gtx 600s?
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Whew. Those are WAY overpriced for what you're getting, imho but... they aren't "bad" at all. Both will be equally serviceable to play all the games you want to play.

My personal opinion... I'd go for either of the single card options but that's just me. Not going SLI saves space, thermal output, power requirements, overall system complexity and game compatibility all for mostly 20% extra frames.

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thank you!
really that overpriced? because for instance, that evga 670 4gb superclocked is $525 there, and $469 at newegg (it was $499 just days ago). i also compared a bit, and i took the builds recommended in posts #26-30 and priced them at newegg, amazon, and microcenter. getting the parts where they were cheapest. then added in Microcenter's fee to build (it was on sale for $150 but is now $200), adding in a small amount of shipping, and a nice chunk of local tax, and it came to just about what i'm seeing these builds at IBuypower go for. i believe it was about $2200. and seems like they have some decent deals. free upgrade to Ripjaw memory, and free upgrade to Corsair 850 psu (which i just realized i still had the 1050 watt psu checked in the z77 build so chose the 850 now it's down to $2144!). and Microcenter only gives a 90 warranty on their build (i get the packaging and warranties from the parts tho), while IBP gives a 3 year.

so whatya think of the Gigabyte Sniper mobo? same price as ASUS Sabertooth but the Sniper is setup for 3 way SLI. don't know i'd ever use it but want to futer-proof if i do.

oh and the harddrives...do i have to much? 256gb SSD and a 3TB data storage.
and the free upgrade from ADATA 120 gb SSD to 256gb sounds good, but is ADATA a decent SDD?
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If you aren't the kind of person to build your own machine, then SLI is not for you. In the same vein, fiddly ATI drivers aren't for you either. Stick with a single Nvidia card. Your life will be better for it.
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If you aren't the kind of person to build your own machine, then SLI is not for you. In the same vein, fiddly ATI drivers aren't for you either. Stick with a single Nvidia card. Your life will be better for it.

Exactly. I agree fully though AMD seems to be better these days with drivers than in the past. Still, I'd stick with one card which ever brand you go with.

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thank you!
really that overpriced? because for instance, that evga 670 4gb superclocked is $525 there, and $469 at newegg (it was $499 just days ago). i also compared a bit, and i took the builds recommended in posts #26-30 and priced them at newegg, amazon, and microcenter. getting the parts where they were cheapest. then added in Microcenter's fee to build (it was on sale for $150 but is now $200), adding in a small amount of shipping, and a nice chunk of local tax, and it came to just about what i'm seeing these builds at IBuypower go for. i believe it was about $2200. and seems like they have some decent deals. free upgrade to Ripjaw memory, and free upgrade to Corsair 850 psu (which i just realized i still had the 1050 watt psu checked in the z77 build so chose the 850 now it's down to $2144!). and Microcenter only gives a 90 warranty on their build (i get the packaging and warranties from the parts tho), while IBP gives a 3 year.
so whatya think of the Gigabyte Sniper mobo? same price as ASUS Sabertooth but the Sniper is setup for 3 way SLI. don't know i'd ever use it but want to futer-proof if i do.
oh and the harddrives...do i have to much? 256gb SSD and a 3TB data storage.
and the free upgrade from ADATA 120 gb SSD to 256gb sounds good, but is ADATA a decent SDD?

I don't know much of ADATA and I wouldn't put one in my machine. For SSD's, I'd go with: Intel, Crucial and/or Samsung. Other brands have been noted to be rather unreliable however in general SSD's seem to improving in this area as of recent.

Yes, 256gig OS and 3TB data is an awesome combo. In fact, my next machine will have just that arrangement.

I'm so used to (and rather enjoy) building my own computers. It's really easy but I'm a techno savvy dude and have built computers my whole life. That being said, building a computer these days is much easier than it was back in the Win95/98SE days by a LONG shot. Even WinXP. Win7 is awesome and standards in computer parts has much improved over the years. If you can follow instructions well and aren't worried about going cross-eyed looking into the inside of a computer then I'd save some dough and build... but that's me. Heh, you're going to pay more for the equivalent computer if it's put together by a "professional" and then packaged and shipped and all that. It's your money, whatever you're comfortable with will be the way to go. You have the specs listed many, many times now. It's time for you to decide on a package. Then order and enjoy. It's time. smile.gif

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oh yes, i've expected to pay extra for the "pro" build and shipping. you just stated that they were "WAY" overpriced so i thought you meant they had crazy unreasonable mark ups.

well i did state in the very 1st post, that i'm an old fella and have health conditions that have just killed my eyes regarding small, close up stuff AND my hands tremble. that coupled with no knowledge of computers whatsoever...well just thought i wasn't the best man for the job lol. i've always been a DIYer all my life, and usually succeeded at the task. but there was always a cost too. time and money in research, preparation, and fixing mistakes. more than once have i worked on my car or house only yo have to spend double to fix mistakes.

i understand you telling me to "poop or get off the pot" (can we cuss on this board lol?), and that this thread has gotten long, but it did start out as upgrade-to-buy part build new-to online build, so it's evolved. guess it's kind of a process. i do apologize if this has rambled on too long in your opinion. i have Paypaled a bit of compensation to folks around here and elsewhere that've taken the time to instruct me, so as not to be too very much of a pain in the tukus.

buuut as it just so happens, i AM about ready to crap in the pot, and really only have 1 last question...

out of the 2 builds, what's the general consensus on which folks favor more? the x79 Sandy bridge tech or the z77 Ivy? as in which is the better tech? is one on it's way out. is one being favored more by the manufacturers. that sorta thing. i figure that out and i think i'm ready to bite. i just wanna future-proof this as much as possible so i don't have to @#$% with it again and can avoid asking for help with it. i've whittled some more things down. after finding out what a TB was realized i really didn't need a 3TB hdd. the Dell we,ve had has 600gb and it's never been filled past about 60-70% lol.

so again, many thanks to you all for your time and advice, and sorry if this has become an eyesore
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I'd still recommend a large hard drive simply because games continue to get larger in size and when you get this computer you may find that you are playing more games and want them installed. biggrin.gif

No worries on the stuff I said about not being able to put it together. Not everyone can but some people convince themselves that they can't and I try to encourage against that if possible. Lol, I'm kind of a control freak and I just like to know what goes into the stuff I have so I feel more comfortable in general with putting something together. And sorry for coming off pushy. Wasn't meaning to.

The x79 is about one generation back for chipsets so it's still new-ish. It's been around for about a year. The z77 is the newest/current generation of chipset and for the most part just has new features and supports some of the newest standards. They are both rather equal in the general sense of things but the main differences is that the x79's seem better for those guys who want a crazy hardcore, uber bad-ass system with 3-4 videocards, beyond 16gigs memory, blah blah blah and are going to be more expensive overall even though it's not the newest chipset. The motherboard's themselves will be in the $250-500 range on average where as the z77's will be $100-$300 range. They aren't worse, just....different. Both are recommended for gaming and either one will not have any more performance over another all by itself.

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I was just at my local Memory Express picking up some air dusters and they will install your entire system for $80 full tested and warranty for 3 years on everything. I can't believe what some of these online places are charging to install.
Also a great air cooling case is the Switch 810. Tons of options for fan and water cooling id the mood should ever strike you lol

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