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i'm FINALLY ready to buy! i bet some AVSers i've bugged are glad to hear it lol.

lots of nice folks around here and elsewhere have made recommendations (thank you Marafice!) and i tried to configure this around those.
i really have no idea what i'm doing lol, so please look this over and see if everything is compatible or if i have too much of one and not enough of the other ect. i'm buying it today.
a list of my specific needs and goals follow the build. and i'm getting the 4GB 670 gpu because after reading this...

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1407295-whats-your-vram-usage-with-mods/page__p__21483399#entry21483399

i see that lotsa texture mods really eat up VRAM.
i'm an old fella and health conditions would make this tough for me to builds so this is all getting built at Microcenter.

http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx
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NZXT Crafted Series Phantom ATX Full Tower Gaming
http://www.microcenter.com/product/357935/Crafted_Series_Phantom_ATX_Full_Tower_Gaming_Computer_Case

Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz LGA 1155 Processor
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388575/Core_i7_3770K_35GHz_LGA_1155_Processor

ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Z77 ATX Intel Motherb
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388088/SABERTOOTH_Z77_LGA_1155_Z77_ATX_Intel_Motherboard

PC Power & Cooling 950 Watt Silencer MK II ATX Pow
http://www.microcenter.com/product/337657/950_Watt_Silencer_MK_II_ATX_Power_Supply

Cooler Master TPC-812 CPU Cooler
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388729/TPC-812_CPU_Cooler

EVGA 04G-P4-2673-KR GeForce GTX 670 Superclocked 4GB
http://www.microcenter.com/product/393433/04G-P4-2673-KR_GeForce_GTX_670_Superclocked_4096MB_GDDR5_PCIe_30_x16_Video_Card

Corsair Vengeance Series 16GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800)
http://www.microcenter.com/product/383618/Vengeance_Series_16GB_DDR3-1600_%28PC3-12800%29_CL10_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_%28Two_8GB_Memory_Modules%29

Crucial m4 CT256M4SSD2 256GB SATA 6.0Gb/s 2.5" Int
http://www.microcenter.com/product/364547/m4_CT256M4SSD2_256GB_SATA_60Gb-s_25_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_%28SSD%29_with_Marvell_Controller

Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB IntelliPower SATA
http://www.microcenter.com/product/378062/Caviar_Green_2TB_IntelliPower_SATA_6Gb-s_35_Internal_Hard_Drive_WD20EARX_-_OEM

Bytecc 6 Slot Internal 3.5" Flash Card Reader
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit OEM PC
LG Blu-ray Disc Internal Combo Drive
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Here are my answers to spedific usage:

Approximate Purchase Date: now!

System Usage pure gaming, dedicated to HDTV in family room

Major Concern: Heat, I want cool as I can afford while still being able to afford top tier performance. I have very little knowledge on how to achieve this. and running Skyrim at it's BEST!

Parts Not Required: monitor speakers kb mouse

Country: USA

Parts Preferences: Full Tower for possible tinkering later

Overclocking: possibly later

SLI or Crossfire: very open to this later as an upgrade

Monitor : Sony 55A3000 55" HDTV thru HDMI. i have an hdmi cord ran thru the floor, thru basement, into computer room. our home theater is in a big wall unit w/ bad airflow


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As I said in my PM, Very solid build, I'm personally not that fond of the Caviar Green but that has nothing to do with quality, I'd just prefer a slightly faster drive, but again, nothing wrong with them at all. And like I also mentioned, if you're worried about heat, add a 2nd fan to that cooler for a push-pull config with better airflow rate, and add a few case fans if there's room. Other than that, enjoy it, solid build, will run anything you throw at it, and will last you a good while, especially with a 4gb 670 in it.

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Build looks great, what Power supply are you going to use?

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power supply is listed up ther. i'd forgotten to bold it. it's PC Power & Cooling. kinda generic but good reviews. and i switched out that Western 2tb with this...
http://www.microcenter.com/product/340478/Deskstar_7K2000_2TB_7,200_RPM_SATA_30Gb-s_35_Internal_Hard_Drive_HD32000_IDK-7K
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PC power and cooling are not generic, they are some of the best supplies on the market. That Mk@ 950 is one of the best 950's on the market. I had one for quite a while, it would power anything even tri-sli 580s!

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PC power and cooling are not generic, they are some of the best supplies on the market. That Mk@ 950 is one of the best 950's on the market. I had one for quite a while, it would power anything even tri-sli 580s!

Agreed, PC P&C is one of the best, along with SilverStone

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ah, cool thanks. then that seems like a good deal even compared to the others available there like corsair
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From personal experience dealing with 3 faulty Asus Sabertooth z77's don't bother with them.

For one, the boot times are awful, the plastic thermal cover is junk, and for the price, you are getting a very feature-less motherboard except if you want it to do multi-gpu but there are still far better options out there.. You are better off getting an ASRock.

Also, if you are going to spend $80 on a fan based CPU cooler, do yourself a favor and get one of the Corsair H70/H80 coolers instead. Much better performance and very quiet if you get silent fans like a Cougar Vortex 120mm.
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From personal experience dealing with 3 faulty Asus Sabertooth z77's don't bother with them.
For one, the boot times are awful, the plastic thermal cover is junk, and for the price, you are getting a very feature-less motherboard except if you want it to do multi-gpu but there are still far better options out there.. You are better off getting an ASRock.
Also, if you are going to spend $80 on a fan based CPU cooler, do yourself a favor and get one of the Corsair H70/H80 coolers instead. Much better performance and very quiet if you get silent fans like a Cougar Vortex 120mm.

I've dealt with 3 or 4 Seagate hdd's that all died within months of purchase, doesn't mean they're all bad. I'm not saying you didn't get screwed over by faulty ones, not saying that at all, but it doesn't mean his would be.Also, last I checked, ASRock is a sub-corp of ASUS, formed in 2002, so he's still buying ASUS either way.

The fan I would agree on, however he doesn't have that choice, he's getting it built by Microcenter and it has to be made with what they have, so his choices are limited.

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Any half-witted individual can build a PC. You shouldn't limit your part selection by what they have as pre-built or custom setups at microcenter. Watch some videos, read some guides, and just dive right in. It is not hard to learn if you follow the manuals. And remember, you don't have to get everything from one store.

The number one issue with technology is that people refuse to learn. If you just open up to the possibility that you may scratch or plug something in wrong, then you will escape this need to inherently rely on other people for the answer.

You can build a computer yourself for cheap, and you can get the correct parts. Unless you are unable to hold a screw driver, or have abnormally large fingers, you are going to have no difficulty assembling a simple desktop computer. If you were talking about doing water cooling, it would be something else. But to go to such lengths as to have a guy in a store rip you off with a part that is inferior is just wrong.

It's to each his own. If you want something that looks a certain way, so be it. But just don't get into the mindset that somehow computers are this enigma that can't be solved any other way than reading mindless forum posts by people who may or may not have a clue.

Just pick what looks best to you and fits your budget. Grab stuff on sale and don't get suckered into buying someone else's dream machine.
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All good, just swap out that Caviar Green with something else that isn't one of those. Those aren't known for their reliability. Or one would say known for their unreliability. wink.gif

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Any half-witted individual can build a PC. You shouldn't limit your part selection by what they have as pre-built or custom setups at microcenter. Watch some videos, read some guides, and just dive right in. It is not hard to learn if you follow the manuals. And remember, you don't have to get everything from one store.
The number one issue with technology is that people refuse to learn. If you just open up to the possibility that you may scratch or plug something in wrong, then you will escape this need to inherently rely on other people for the answer.
You can build a computer yourself for cheap, and you can get the correct parts. Unless you are unable to hold a screw driver, or have abnormally large fingers, you are going to have no difficulty assembling a simple desktop computer. If you were talking about doing water cooling, it would be something else. But to go to such lengths as to have a guy in a store rip you off with a part that is inferior is just wrong.
It's to each his own. If you want something that looks a certain way, so be it. But just don't get into the mindset that somehow computers are this enigma that can't be solved any other way than reading mindless forum posts by people who may or may not have a clue.
Just pick what looks best to you and fits your budget. Grab stuff on sale and don't get suckered into buying someone else's dream machine.

We've all been over this in his previous thread (just a few down on the list), he has some health issues with his vision and hands that doesn't allow him to get in and build the thing himself. If you'd bothered to see that thread you'd realize such and wouldn't be calling him half-witted, or unable to hold a screwdriver. Believe me, we've all talked this over and he physically cannot build it himself (he's built comps before) so this isn't an option for him. He's getting it built by Microcenter, end of story.

At least 4 of us all tried to get him to buy the parts himself, and having talked extensively in PMs with him, this is his best option.

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Marafice got my back! thank you much my friend! no biggy tho. EVERY time i've seen someone mention having a pc built, there are these responses, so i expected it. that's why i explained my situation up front.

anyway, got this beast home and gotta say, Microcenter was a nice suprise. they had an actual labor day ssale start the night before i went in, and the salesman was quick to get me great deals. they even price matched Newegg! between that and the sale i saved about $200 more then i'd planned. they were out of that awesome deal on the Power & Cooling 950w PSU. so got a 850w Corsair. everything total, tax, build fees was lil over $2100. pretty good i think. cheaper than online builders i saw. oh they had OCZ refurbished 850w PSUs for...$9.95! got one for the helluvit

i'm a bit unsure on how these guys put it together tho. here's a pic...




all the picsi saw of those huge cpu coolers always had them mounted on the bottom. they put the mobo and cooler vertically on the side. they're really heavy and i'd rather have'em on the bottom. is it because of the case i chose (NZXT Phantom full case), and there's not enough room at bottom?

and i bought an extra 120 fan for the other side of the Coolermaster 812 CPU cooler, like you recommended Marafice, but they put it on the front panel of the case instead of on the cpu cooler. said there wasn't enough room on cooler because of the RAM being so close. and that they couldn't put the ram in the slot farther away because then the ram wouldn't work correctly. not sure if low profile ram woulda helped. i'm guessing the fan on front panel and the 2 fans in back (1 on cooler and 1 about an inch to the left) will still cause a push/pull effect. or would it have been better w/ that front fan placed on the cooler?

and the case has a 5 fan controller but they only have 3 connected. i understand one control because there's no fan there. but there's a control for that front fan and it's not connected. fan blows but desn't control or light up.
all in all, the case has incredible airflow! air blowin everywhere lol. Speedfan shows all temps at idle around 26-30C (cores are like 2-6C. haven't gamed yet tho). except the 2TB harddrive. it's showing 0C. lil worried about that. is it because it has no data on it yet? installed incorrectly?

as always, thoughts greatly appreciated! and thank you much again Marafice!
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Looks like a beast man, definitely enjoy it. As for there being no temp reading on the HDD, I'm not 100% certain, but if there's nothing on it, or it hasn't been formatted, it's probably not doing anything, hence no heat other than whats in the entire case. Won't know till you put something on it

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i'm a bit unsure on how these guys put it together tho. here's a pic...

all the picsi saw of those huge cpu coolers always had them mounted on the bottom. they put the mobo and cooler vertically on the side. they're really heavy and i'd rather have'em on the bottom. is it because of the case i chose (NZXT Phantom full case), and there's not enough room at bottom?

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Are you referring to the orientation of the fan on the cpu cooler or the phyisical location of the motherboard mounted to the side of the case?

If you talking about the MB location there's no other way to do it. Unless you have a horizontal designed case. Your case is built to mount MB on the side. I'm assuming the fan on the CPU is pulling air and the back case fan is pushing air out, at least that's how it should be. If you're talking about advertising shots of the cooler, that's just how they are all done. It's easier to see dimensions and parts than when it's mounted and in use.

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The wire management isn't the greatest but it's a very solid build. The inside looks good. Have fun with your new rig!!

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