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Anyone Else Going with Haswell-E?

Haswell-E chips and X99 motherboards will apparently be officially launched next week. Some motherboards have been revealed, two of them so far being microATX. One of the microATX boards is an ASRock, which I refuse to even consider since it has the ridiculous "Fatal1ty" branding.

Initial DDR4 prices are of course quite high, though 2400 MHz modules are cheaper than I expected. The timings are quite loose when compared to DDR3 sticks, but the methods of interfacing with the CPU should still make DDR4 faster.

One of the main attractions of X99 is future-proof storage connectivity using PCIe 3.0 x4 M.2 for ultra high bandwidth, ultra low latency SSDs, and the ample CPU lanes will accommodate multiple of such devices without eating too much into what is wanted for discrete GPUs. Adapter cards will of course be necessary for more than one M.2 SSD in most cases.

So are you guys buying into Haswell-E and X99, or will you wait for something else down the road?
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Haswell-E chips and X99 motherboards will apparently be officially launched next week. Some motherboards have been revealed, two of them so far being microATX. One of the microATX boards is an ASRock, which I refuse to even consider since it has the ridiculous "Fatal1ty" branding.

Initial DDR4 prices are of course quite high, though 2400 MHz modules are cheaper than I expected. The timings are quite loose when compared to DDR3 sticks, but the methods of interfacing with the CPU should still make DDR4 faster.

One of the main attractions of X99 is future-proof storage connectivity using PCIe 3.0 x4 M.2 for ultra high bandwidth, ultra low latency SSDs, and the ample CPU lanes will accommodate multiple of such devices without eating too much into what is wanted for discrete GPUs. Adapter cards will of course be necessary for more than one M.2 SSD in most cases.

So are you guys buying into Haswell-E and X99, or will you wait for something else down the road?

Part of me wished I waited on buying my 4790K, but it's looking like the affordable has-e is going to be hobbled in terms of PCI-E lanes. Besides, nvme drives aren't readily available yet, ddr4 is crazy expensive and games can barely fill 4 cores as it is.

Given all that I think I can appreciate x99 from a distance...maybe I'll step up to skylake-E in a few years. Future proofing is only for people afraid of upgrading, and I can hardly imagine anyone considering Haswell-E fits into that category.

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The 5820K's gimped PCIe 3.0 lane layout is still plenty for me. I'm more of a low-level enthusiast who just wants the most powerful CPU that around $400 can buy along with the best single-GPU card for around $500, and of course extra lanes for future storage solutions.

If the leaked price of $389 for the 5820K is correct, then that is an easy premium to pay for 6 cores/12 threads and 12 more PCIe lanes than regular Haswell, even when accounting for extra costs with regard to DDR4 and the motherboard. I think we are on the verge of putting those extra CPU cores to some good use in games.
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My thinking is along he same lines as bd. I have a 3770K and see very little reason to upgrade based on current performance so I'm going to wait for Skylake/Cannonlake in 2016. By then, prices should drop and we should have better standards/integration (USB 3.1 etc).
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The 5820K's gimped PCIe 3.0 lane layout is still plenty for me. I'm more of a low-level enthusiast who just wants the most powerful CPU that around $400 can buy along with the best single-GPU card for around $500, and of course extra lanes for future storage solutions.

If the leaked price of $389 for the 5820K is correct, then that is an easy premium to pay for 6 cores/12 threads and 12 more PCIe lanes than regular Haswell, even when accounting for extra costs with regard to DDR4 and the motherboard. I think we are on the verge of putting those extra CPU cores to some good use in games.
Yeah, I think the price for the processor is reasonable, compared to a 4790K....as long as it overclocks to a similar level. Otherwise you'll still be lagging behind due to the slower cores. Lots of benchmarks have proven that over the years. It's mainly the DDR4 that I'm opposed to. Prices are literally double already inflated DDR3 prices. It's hard to justify that from a gaming perspective vs. throwing that money at a better GPU.

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I got the 5960x on the way to me now, just waiting to see what board I want. Looks like so far the Asus WS board is in the lead but I want to see a few tested before I make up my mind.
Ram is going to be the kingston hyper when it hits, as I use it in everything and have had excellent luck over the last 10 years. Only going for 16 gig 2800 at first and will update to 4000-4600 x 32gig kits when they come out next year.
Also gonna get a M2 SSD! No power cables!!!!! I wish it had 4 slots and you could clear some serious clutter!

It's pretty much a gaming only rig but I need a reason to get everything into my STH-10 case thats just sitting there empty for the last 4 months waiting!
I knew you would be getting it. Your processor alone is probably more than half the cost of my entire projected X99 build.

I went with an Intel 5820K, Corsair H100i cooler, 16GB (4x4) of GSkill DDR4 2400 RAM, and an ASRock X99M Extreme4 motherboard (which I hope doesn't turn out to be a piece of crap).

I'm still waiting for the Lian Li PC-V359 case to be for sale here in the US. I have two Crucial MX100 512GB SSDs that I will be using for the time being; my plan is to add a high capacity x4 M.2 SSD and use it as the primary drive while putting the MX100s in RAID-0.

Thinking about it some more, I might give in and go SLI again when Maxwell comes out. I wish there were high quality large displays that had GSync. I've seen the effect of GSync in person and it is everything it's cracked up to be.
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I thought the ROG swift was supposed to be pretty good? I know it's a TN panel, but it's supposedly one of the best ever.

Man, if not for the price of DDR4 I'd regret not waiting on Haswell-E instead of the 4790K. I'm surprised how well it's overclocking.

Speaking of RAID SSDs though...I'd recommending using windows software raid (dynamic drives) instead of the intel software raid. I had nothing but trouble with it...I'd update my bios, and the damn array would break.

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I knew you would be getting it. Your processor alone is probably more than half the cost of my entire projected X99 build.

I went with an Intel 5820K, Corsair H100i cooler, 16GB (4x4) of GSkill DDR4 2400 RAM, and an ASRock X99M Extreme4 motherboard (which I hope doesn't turn out to be a piece of crap).

I'm still waiting for the Lian Li PC-V359 case to be for sale here in the US. I have two Crucial MX100 512GB SSDs that I will be using for the time being; my plan is to add a high capacity x4 M.2 SSD and use it as the primary drive while putting the MX100s in RAID-0.

Thinking about it some more, I might give in and go SLI again when Maxwell comes out. I wish there were high quality large displays that had GSync. I've seen the effect of GSync in person and it is everything it's cracked up to be.

I want a G-sync sooooo bad but I want a 30" at least. I just want something that is a clear upgrade and a 30" (or bigger) 120hz G-sync is the ticket! lol

I also sold my x79 for a awesome buck! I got $950 for my RIVE, 3930K and 64 gigs ram, so this upgrade will end up being just over 1K for everything.... Not to bad!

I'm also officially off the HDD wagon, my system is all SSD's now. I've got the same mx100 512's as my gaming drives and 1 x 1tb 840 evo. Everything else is on the NAS server. Now all I need is to decide on a M2!

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I ended up getting a Asus x99 WS-E for my board from newegg.ca an hour ago. I loved the color and generally like WS boards layouts. Now I just need to find a pcie-x4 M.2 and need kingstons ram to come out! I can now use my Soundcard without the lanes switching to 8x!

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I ended up getting a Asus x99 WS-E for my board from newegg.ca an hour ago. I loved the color and generally like WS boards layouts. Now I just need to find a pcie-x4 M.2 and need kingstons ram to come out! I can now use my Soundcard without the lanes switching to 8x!
It looks like it won't be until next year that we start seeing the proliferation of blazing fast x4 M.2 SSDs.

This will be my first personal PC build without a sound card. I will use HDMI from the graphics card for 7.1 gaming, and USB to my Denon DA-300 DAC for bit perfect two-channel music.

I've had a lot of fondness for discrete audio hardware, so it is tough to move on. My first personal PC build with a hardware-accelerated sound card had a Diamond Monster MX300, which I loved and still do for nostalgia's sake. My final PC build with a sound card utilized an Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD. That is a great piece of hardware that is now largely part of a bygone era.
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Ya, not to many choices for M.2 x4 cards.... man they will be insanely fast! 1700 R 1400 W is crazy!

As for the SC, ya I guess they are not as popular as they once were. I use the headphone amp on my ZxR and it's quite good. If I was using digital, I'd not have a SC but as it stands, I use analog for my Edifier S550, so the SC sounds better than onboard.

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It looks like it won't be until next year that we start seeing the proliferation of blazing fast x4 M.2 SSDs.

This will be my first personal PC build without a sound card. I will use HDMI from the graphics card for 7.1 gaming, and USB to my Denon DA-300 DAC for bit perfect two-channel music.

I've had a lot of fondness for discrete audio hardware, so it is tough to move on. My first personal PC build with a hardware-accelerated sound card had a Diamond Monster MX300, which I loved and still do for nostalgia's sake. My final PC build with a sound card utilized an Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD. That is a great piece of hardware that is now largely part of a bygone era.


Yeah, it's too bad, I'd still buy them if hardware acceleration was still a thing. I wonder where we'd be with audio now if creative hadn't sued Aureal out of existence.

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Lol, my resolve is starting to waver....these 5820Ks are OCing as well as 4790Ks.

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If you have a Micro Center near you, it's $299. O_o

Yeah, that's what's getting me....I just upgraded to DC like two months ago. But after selling off my CPU, mobo and ram the upgrade will cost me like $100 or so, assuming I bought the cheapest ram. 4790K ain't a slouch, but half that chip is dedicated to a GPU I'll never use.

Lol honestly, the main thing holding me back is the attitude I'm gonna get from wifey for spending another weekend building a rig.

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Where and how do you sell your parts?
craigslist, ebay?
You sell them individually or as a whole?

I've never considered selling my old hardware. It's either been put up in a closet or given to a family member.

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Where and how do you sell your parts?
craigslist, ebay?
You sell them individually or as a whole?

I've never considered selling my old hardware. It's either been put up in a closet or given to a family member.
I usually give craigslist a go for a week or two since there's no fees and its straight cash, but if it doesn't sell I put it up on ebay.

I can't imagine how I'd keep up with this stuff unless I was constantly reselling. It completely changes everything....I don't care about the price of hardware, only price minus resale value of my current gear. Upgrading from a i5-3670 to a i7-4790K was only like 50 bucks since I sold my old mobo/CPU for just a hair less than retail, and bought the new stuff at crazy microcenter discount.

So right now on ebay:
used 4790K = $320
used maximus VII hero = $180
used 24GB DDR3-1600 = $180
total = $680 - $80 in fees = $600

At MC/Newegg
5820K = $300
MSI X99S SLI Plus = $230
16GB DDR4 2400 = $230
mobo bundle discount = -$40
tax = $40
total = $760

$160 for an upgrade is a hell of a lot easier to swallow than $760! It's really only the fees and DDR4 that's killing me here. If I can sell the stuff locally and wait a few weeks for DDR4 prices to settle a bit I can probably get it into the double digits.

Same deal when the GTX 980 comes out....after selling my 770, it'll prob only cost me $200 or so.

If you're really, really patient and can wait for huge deals on slightly older midrange stuff, while reselling your gear for normal market value, you can basically keep a running upgrade going without spending a penny.

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Yeah, the 5820K overclocks look promising. Even the "duds" seem to be hitting well over 4GHz. I will be very happy with anything in the 4.3 - 4.6GHz range.

I found a place that sells the Lian Li PC-V359, so I will now just be waiting for Nvidia's Maxwell cards before putting this thing together.
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That's a lot of new tech at once. I'll wait a bit since I fear the valley of the shadow of blue screen.
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I can't imagine how I'd keep up with this stuff unless I was constantly reselling. It completely changes everything....I don't care about the price of hardware, only price minus resale value of my current gear.
I'm the same as bd. I almost always resell my old hardware (I donate to family members sometimes as well). It greatly reduces the cost of the new hardware. Even if I were to sell my fairly old 7970GHz, I'd still get abut $150 for it. That's a nice chunk of change to put towards a new card.

I use ebay myself. The fees do suck, but I haven't had the best experiences on Craigslist.
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My 3930K + 16 GB DDR3 2133 MHz + GTX TITAN are kicking along just fine.
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That's a lot of new tech at once. I'll wait a bit since I fear the valley of the shadow of blue screen.
At least hardware return is a headache-free process.

Red flames of death, on the other hand, could be a problem. I'll be keeping my fire extinguisher very close.
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Maybe I'll try and sell my 960. I don't think I can trust my area for craigslist. I'll have to dust off my ebay account.

I've only been using it as a web browser since I got the 4690 anyway.

Do you guys have better luck selling the cpu and mb separate or as a combo?

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After much deliberation, I ordered the Samsung XP941 M.2 to go with the system. I was seeing some insane prices in NA but ended up getting it from RamCity in Aus for under 300$ CDN shipped for the 256GB version (it's only for my OS and some programs, all games are on my samsung 1GB pro) Of course after getting my chip and board I needed a rad mount for my STH-10 case, as I got another 360 Rad to put in. 2 x 420's and 2 x 360's should do the trick.
Was going to go Acrylic with this build but man, I've got over 1500$ in tube fittings..... I decided to just not bother for now. When the new super nvidia cards hit later next year, I'll go acrylic in the parts you can see but I've never worked with it before and I'd want it all to be mint, so I'll need some practice with my bends before I do my rig.

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Maybe I'll try and sell my 960. I don't think I can trust my area for craigslist. I'll have to dust off my ebay account.

I've only been using it as a web browser since I got the 4690 anyway.

Do you guys have better luck selling the cpu and mb separate or as a combo?
Separate, always. You'll get less and limit your market if you bundle.

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Separate, always. You'll get less and limit your market if you bundle.
Yep. Same.

The only thing I might bundle is a spare game/game code I have lying around with the hardware.
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Red flames of death, on the other hand, could be a problem. I'll be keeping my fire extinguisher very close.
I read of a couple of reviewers who had an X99 board go up in a bit of smoke, one by MSI and another by ASUS. Just two incidents so far that I know of, but in these times you usually don't read about these incidents at all from reviewers.

The GTX 970 and 980 rumors look good. Their power efficiency at the level of performance is almost difficult to believe.
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I read of a couple of reviewers who had an X99 board go up in a bit of smoke, one by MSI and another by ASUS. Just two incidents so far that I know of, but in these times you usually don't read about these incidents at all from reviewers.

The GTX 970 and 980 rumors look good. Their power efficiency at the level of performance is almost difficult to believe.

I've seen benches from them, but not power numbers....where did you see that?

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I've seen benches from them, but not power numbers....where did you see that?
Quite a few sites have been spreading a rumor about TDP numbers for the two cards. The stock 970 is rumored to have a TDP of just 150W while the stock 980 is said to be at 170W.

Here's one site's reporting of it: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/40080/...nce/index.html
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