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I was just looking at Vega and the compute power is really good, especially for the price.

These cards might wind up being heavily used by content creators and people who are really into the mining. I guess right now the big one is no longer bitcoin but is ethereum or something like that?

I don't really follow it...
Ethereum is the new coin that is get mined by the masses. Rumour that it will mine really good like 3X regular Rx580. Awww man these are gunna be hard to find if true.
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I think you meant 1070 not the 1080 (thread title).


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These cards are now being reported as being up to 4x better at mining operations than current consumer cards.......so the whole 'yeah its sort of as good as Nvidia' gaming argument is effectively moot at this point, nobody will be getting these cards any time soon and if you do get one, you'd be a *fool* not to immediately flip it to someone who's mining.

I almost never advocate scalping, but in this case I suggest buying and dumping the weaker product and using the profit to pick up that 1080 Ti, which will do you right for years to come

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I think you meant 1070 not the 1080 (thread title).
But then how would he get people to look at yet another one of his spammy Youtube videos?

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But then how would he get people to look at yet another one of his spammy Youtube videos?
He's got 5 threads on the first page ALONE about Vega, can we get them cleaned up to 1 thread? Please?
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Asus is apparently working on a dual Vega 64 card.

600W GPU sounds pretty impressive and scary for thermals....

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Disappointing. The price/performance is at or below the 1080, which has been out for a year. The big selling point is FreeSync and that's about it.

On the other hand, rumor has it that this will be a monster for currency mining. So they will sell. But availability for gamers will be terrible. So that's more bad news.

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Where to buy RX Vega 64 on launch day @ MSRP!


One day away from official release and benchmarks. Many sites are charging well over MSRP!!! Are miners gunna wipe theses cards out too?
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Is anyone going to spend $599 on this thing for games? I am sure the compute mining is incredible but 1080s are getting to $450 with rebates


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Is anyone going to spend $599 on this thing for games? I am sure the compute mining is incredible but 1080s are getting to $450 with rebates


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That is the right question. And the answer is NO IMO. When they hit $399 and drivers perfected...gamers will be all over them. In fact...if I do a new build with Vega in 2018, I'll look seriously at cross firing two 56's instead of one 64...if the 56 hits $199. I expect the price fall on Vega to be quick...starting in 2018. Or it will be slow adoption for gaming IMO. Especially if the 1080 drops to $399 or less. JMHO.
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Are miners gunna wipe theses cards out too?
Perhaps. I say let those miners have them all until AMD gets serious again about competing with Nvidia on the gaming front.
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Perhaps. I say let those miners have them all until AMD gets serious again about competing with Nvidia on the gaming front.


If the Volta rumors are true then unsure how amd competes come ces

As one of the 20 people who like vr there is plenty of room for 3-4x more GPU power

I actually think amd could compete by releasing a card version of the Xbox GPU - baking the dx12 in hardware for critical bottlenecks was brilliant .


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That is the right question. And the answer is NO IMO. When they hit $399 and drivers perfected...gamers will be all over them. In fact...if I do a new build with Vega in 2018, I'll look seriously at cross firing two 56's instead of one 64...if the 56 hits $199. I expect the price fall on Vega to be quick...starting in 2018. Or it will be slow adoption for gaming IMO. Especially if the 1080 drops to $399 or less. JMHO.
I dunno if miner snatch em up no price drop in near future.
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Perhaps. I say let those miners have them all until AMD gets serious again about competing with Nvidia on the gaming front.
From some leaked benchmarks looks like a OC vega 56 beats GTX 1080 stock card.. If true this is good and Waterblock on Vega 56 would yield even higher results. I wan't to see the numbers on Liquid Vega 64 and AIB cards.
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From some leaked benchmarks looks like a OC vega 56 beats GTX 1080 stock card.. If true this is good and Waterblock on Vega 56 would yield even higher results. I wan't to see the numbers on Liquid Vega 64 and AIB cards.


They are trying to beat a 1.5 year old design and helping to heat the planet. It's not impressive at that price

Again i wish it was a souped up.dx12 killer like.the Xbox one X


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They are trying to beat a 1.5 year old design and helping to heat the planet. It's not impressive at that price

Again i wish it was a souped up.dx12 killer like.the Xbox one X


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couple hours to benchies - looks like I'll be hanging with my 390X a little longer based on leaks - no value for gamers - pricing/availability usually pretty bad in Cdn
I usually upgrade when i can double performance across the board - running a 27 2560 x 1440 ips FreeSync

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I usually upgrade when i can double performance across the board - running a 27 2560 x 1440 ips FreeSync
Your comment nails it! In a nutshell...what is the incentive to change your entire system for this. It will be competing with bargain basement priced AMD 480X-580X...which are much better values. You can just plop either onto your board (in single or crossfire array) and game away on any 1080p-1440p-4k x 2k monitor (Freesynch or non). Vega is just not rubbing my rhubarb right now. Especially considering how amazingly Team Xbox fully muscle upped the Jaguar in Xbox 1X to perform nearly at that standard on a 4k HDTV panel! There's just way too much life & potential left in today's GPU's, Mobo's, Memory to change over IMO. Especially since the real meaningful changes and improvements need to happen with monitors anyway.
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Your comment nails it! In a nutshell...what is the incentive to change your entire system for this. It will be competing with bargain basement priced AMD 480X-580X...which are much better values. You can just plop either onto your board (in single or crossfire array) and game away on any 1080p-1440p-4k x 2k monitor (Freesynch or non). Vega is just not rubbing my rhubarb right now. Especially considering how amazingly Team Xbox fully muscle upped the Jaguar in Xbox 1X to perform nearly at that standard on a 4k HDTV panel! There's just way too much life & potential left in today's GPU's, Mobo's, Memory to change over IMO. Especially since the real meaningful changes and improvements need to happen with monitors anyway.
Yup... I'm on team Red but this just doesn't do it for me. I can get a 1080 Gigabyte Aurus from Amazon.com up here to Canada for about $200 less than I'd pay for a Vega 64 that will run WAYYYY hotter and pulls an incredible amount of wattage (500 from what I've read from some reviews). I'll wait for 3rd party custom rx 56 cards, and if they're not a compelling value I'll have to go team green on this one . At least my Ryzen 5 1600 has been incredible.
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Yup... I'm on team Red but this just doesn't do it for me. I can get a 1080 Gigabyte Aurus from Amazon.com up here to Canada for about $200 less than I'd pay for a Vega 64 that will run WAYYYY hotter and pulls an incredible amount of wattage (500 from what I've read from some reviews). I'll wait for 3rd party custom rx 56 cards, and if they're not a compelling value I'll have to go team green on this one . At least my Ryzen 5 1600 has been incredible.


Looks liek 1080 prices have gone up in the USA. I got mine about 6 months ago (pallit overclock RED edition to look amd ish ) for $450 after rebate. Lowest on Newegg is $509 now


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Your comment nails it! In a nutshell...what is the incentive to change your entire system for this. It will be competing with bargain basement priced AMD 480X-580X...which are much better values. You can just plop either onto your board (in single or crossfire array) and game away on any 1080p-1440p-4k x 2k monitor (Freesynch or non). Vega is just not rubbing my rhubarb right now. Especially considering how amazingly Team Xbox fully muscle upped the Jaguar in Xbox 1X to perform nearly at that standard on a 4k HDTV panel! There's just way too much life & potential left in today's GPU's, Mobo's, Memory to change over IMO. Especially since the real meaningful changes and improvements need to happen with monitors anyway.

Miners have saved the AMD GPU side - sadly (as a gamer) performance did not really matter to them this cycle-
have sold out everything for months regardless-
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Based on the benchmarks + power requirements coming out today, the best I can say about AMD's Vega is that it likely isn't made entirely of toxic, rare metals mined by enslaved orphan children.

...probably....

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Based on the benchmarks + power requirements coming out today, the best I can say about AMD's Vega is that it likely isn't made entirely of toxic, rare metals mined by enslaved orphan children.

...probably....
I wouldn't go that far.. the rx 56 benchmarks show a lead over the 1070, and will cost $100 less (if we can ever get our hands on them). The Rx 64 on the other hand is a much less compelling proposition for sure.

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I wouldn't go that far.. the rx 56 benchmarks show a lead over the 1070, and will cost $100 less (if we can ever get our hands on them). The Rx 64 on the other hand is a much less compelling proposition for sure.

And for what it's worth, I can all but guarantee something you already own has been made by children
Agreed, Vega 56 is a much better option.

I am curious how gaming performance will improve when software that is optimized for Vega can OC it better(all reviews I have read say it is probably software) and also game drivers are optimized better.

I will say these look to be better "all rounders" compared to the Nvidia offerings for their compute performance but not sure much of the general public will benefit from this unless there are some other things up AMD sleeve like the rumor about their own PhysX competitor...

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I agree, actually, that $400 56 makes sense in several lights, I can't get past the heat and power required to reach those numbers however, I mean that really feels wrong in 2017......the hammer approach Brute-Forcing those frames with heat and power.
But you know, I do gotta give props to AMD for delivering something solid.

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Imagine the heat and power for these guys mining.
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Imagine the heat and power for these guys mining.
Mining has always been a dangerous trade. I would set my rig up in a cave to complete the experience.
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I agree, actually, that $400 56 makes sense in several lights, I can't get past the heat and power required to reach those numbers however, I mean that really feels wrong in 2017......the hammer approach Brute-Forcing those frames with heat and power.
But you know, I do gotta give props to AMD for delivering something solid.
I haven't seen any information regarding the pricing on the 56 but apparently with the 64, there is a big fiasco with how AMD messaged the MSRP.

Apparently the $499 for the 64 was a promotional price for the first batch and for early adopters. Now that those have all sold out, the true MSRP is $599, $100 more than a 1080.

It is commendable that the 56 against the 1070, and the 64 against the 1080, they trade blows depending on workload. What isn't though is how they handled the pricing messaging.

They released these cards long after the competition, sure they trade blows but the drivers are not there yet, the are louder and significantly more power hungry than the competition as well. One site measure a 110 - 150w difference at the wall using the same build with a Pascal card vs Vega.

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Yep, the 56 now has an MSRP of $500 and is selling for MSRP+. Did AMD just decide to collude with retailers to scalp their own product because demand is higher than expected?


.....I'll just leave this here......

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