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Please help me in choosing the right (better?) 7600 GS card.
Right now, I have 2 choices:

- PNY 7600 GS 512MS AGP

- eVGA e-Geforce 7600 GS

Both cards are fairly similar. The only main difference between the two is in the memory:
- PNY has 512MB DDR-SDRAM (specs says it has 540 MHz effective, and 8.64GB/Sec. Memory Bandwidth)

-eVGA card has half that (256 MB) RAM, but it is DDR2 RAM. The specs says:
800 MHz (effective)
12.8 GB/s Memory Bandwidth

Now, should I go for speed (eVGA) or more memory (PNY)?

I have not upgraded my video card since the Geforce 5500 FX days (so slow...) and would like to pick a good AGP card to get it over with (since I am not planning to move to PCIe anytime soon).

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Please help me in choosing the right (better?) 7600 GS card.
Right now, I have 2 choices:

- PNY 7600 GS 512MS AGP

- eVGA e-Geforce 7600 GS

Both cards are fairly similar. The only main difference between the two is in the memory:
- PNY has 512MB DDR-SDRAM (specs says it has 540 MHz effective, and 8.64GB/Sec. Memory Bandwidth)

-eVGA card has half that (256 MB) RAM, but it is DDR2 RAM. The specs says:
800 MHz (effective)
12.8 GB/s Memory Bandwidth

Now, should I go for speed (eVGA) or more memory (PNY)?
I think 512 MB of RAM is wasted on the 7600 GS and 'tis also slower memory. The benefits of 512 MB of RAM proly won't be realised in such a slow card.
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i agree. You should look into getting the 6800 series. They have some really sweet 6800 series cards for AGP.

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Really? Thanks! I will check out the 6800 cards then.
It's just that the 7600GS is within my budget, and I thought 7600 (at least it's a Geforce 7 series) would perform better than a G6 series card.

Thanks for the answers.
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Really? Thanks! I will check out the 6800 cards then.
It's just that the 7600GS is within my budget, and I thought 7600 (at least it's a Geforce 7 series) would perform better than a G6 series card.

Thanks for the answers.
Yeah, check out the PNY Verto GeForce 6800 Ultra.

I have been doing a bit of research and this looks to be the value performance card to get if you have AGP 8x, at least it is the one I am thinking seriously about. If I am way wrong here I am welcometo feedback as well.

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Sorry if I am asking the same question ....does Geforce 6800 support DirectX9.0c?
I was reading the specs for 7600GS the other day and there are so many 'features' found on 7600GS (DirectX9.0 Shader Model 3.0, nVidia CineFX 4.0....etc.)

Also, one of my buddies suggest me to wait for 7600GT (AGP). I searched around the net and it seems that it's available in Japan and Australia...probably soon in the US. Should I wait for that?

Thanks for your help again.
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Sorry if I am asking the same question ....does Geforce 6800 support DirectX9.0c?
I was reading the specs for 7600GS the other day and there are so many 'features' found on 7600GS (DirectX9.0 Shader Model 3.0, nVidia CineFX 4.0....etc.)

Also, one of my buddies suggest me to wait for 7600GT (AGP). I searched around the net and it seems that it's available in Japan and Australia...probably soon in the US. Should I wait for that?

Thanks for your help again.
When the 6800 was introduced it didn't support Shader 3.0 out of the box, but it was always meant to and subsequent driver releases have added that support.

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When the 6800 was introduced it didn't support Shader 3.0 out of the box, but it was always meant to and subsequent driver releases have added that support.
6800 and most/all series 6 Nvidia cards supported SM 3.0 out of the box. I had 6800Ultras and 6800GT's. Thats what they had over the comp ATI cards at that time (9700/9800 and 800 series) that didnt have SM 3.0.

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I think 512 MB of RAM is wasted on the 7600 GS and 'tis also slower memory. The benefits of 512 MB of RAM proly won't be realised in such a slow card.
Very true. Most games are targetted for 256mb vram. There's no point loading all the textures into memory but the GPU isn't fast enough to process them. I would pick up a faster GPU with 256mb over a slower GPU with 512mb. Especially for gaming. The 512mb will be good for rendering software that requires large buffer for textures.
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Really? Thanks! I will check out the 6800 cards then.
It's just that the 7600GS is within my budget, and I thought 7600 (at least it's a Geforce 7 series) would perform better than a G6 series card.

Thanks for the answers.

The AGP 7600 GT should be out any day now. I would suggest waiting for that. Similar performance to a 6800 GT with lower power consumption and a smaller card with less heat.
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6800 and most/all series 6 Nvidia cards supported SM 3.0 out of the box. I had 6800Ultras and 6800GT's. Thats what they had over the comp ATI cards at that time (9700/9800 and 800 series) that didnt have SM 3.0.
Please note that I said..... When it was "introduced" ---- read the c-net review, it clearly backs up what I said.

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Thanks for all the recommendations!
I guess I am narrowing my choices down to :PNY Verto GeForce 6800 Ultra or the new 7600 GT (anyday now)

Has anyone heard a release date for the 7600 GT AGP? Am I expecting 2 wks? 2 months?

Thanks!
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Thanks for all the recommendations!
I guess I am narrowing my choices down to :PNY Verto GeForce 6800 Ultra or the new 7600 GT (anyday now)

Has anyone heard a release date for the 7600 GT AGP? Am I expecting 2 wks? 2 months?

Thanks!
If I get the 6800 soon, ill report back here as to how it performs. If you go with one before I do myqq, let me know how it goes.

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Wireless: Just curious, but where are you planning to get your 6800 Ultra from, and what price is it going to be?

I'm also looking for an AGP replacement card for an X800XL that quit on me a few weeks ago, but it's been very difficult finding a good deal.

I checked newegg and it looks like the only 6800 card they have is the GT, and the cheapest one is $175.00.

For $25 more you can get a recertified 7800GS from newegg, which will give you a big boost over the 6800U in most applications.

I've been keeping an eye on ebay as well, and it looks like most of the 6800GT/U cards are going for ~$200, so it seems like it might be worth it to spend the extra $25 to get a current card, rather than dropping $200 on a slower card that's already 1.5 generations old...

This really is a horrible time to be shopping for performance AGP parts, especially when you consider that you could pick up a 20 pipe 7900GT PCI card for the same price as a slower 16 pipe 7800GS AGP...
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Definately a sucky time to have to re-buy an AGP part...because the high end boards are still in demand, their prices remain high. I didn't even know you could find an ultra board these days. I think the best bang for the buck is the 6800GT, if they still make them. Last time I looked all I saw ere 6800XT's or something, and I think those are crippled GT's.

I wouldn't buy a GS board refurbed....unless it had a bulletproof return policy.

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I recently upgraded to a eVga 7600 GS (pcie) and have to add that my benchmarks show that it performs slightly better than my eVga 6600 GT (AGP). Its still a decent card, just falls short of my expectations.To make a long story short I think I'll be buying myself a nice 7600 GT (pcie) soon.

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7600gs512 PC-Express... is that any good?

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7600gs512 PC-Express... is that any good?
PCI Express is soon to be the next videocard standard replacing the well known AGP type cards. This will mean you will need a motherboard that supports PCI Express (PCIE) to use these type videocards.

The 7600GS is a decent budget card but there is better for dollars more, for example the Radeon X800 XL which outshines the 7600GS. Also dont rule out the 7600/7800 GT models which are the top performers using the nVidia chipset.

All in all your best bet is the PCIE type cards, you should consider upgrading your motherboard if you havent done so yet because its inevitable and the future (for now).

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Yeah, why are you asking about PCI-Express videocards, I thought this thread was about AGP parts?

PS: PCI_Express isn't soon-to-be the standard, it *is* the standard, and has been for at least 16 months now.....most manufacturers ceased to make mid-range and up motherboards with AGP for some time now.

The problem is that chips haven't gone very far in the past 3 years or so.....so even those of us with lowly P4's still have viable machines for gaming, when paired with the right AGP videocard.

Now, we're a bit SOL when it comes to upgrade paths for AGP parts. The Manufacturers know there isn't alot of competition in the high-end AGP part arena anymore, so they can keep the prices artificially high.

For what you'll pay for a 7800GS AGP you could get a 7900GT that is at least 2 times as fast across the board......

And the last time I checked, most PCI-E motherboards dont have sockets for 478pin chips, so us intel guys need to upgrade our processors too. *sigh*.

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The Leadtek AGP 7600 GT from Overclockers is listed as being available in 1-3 days:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...ics_Cards.html
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Now, we're a bit SOL when it comes to upgrade paths for AGP parts.
That's an understatement. I could barely walk when I left Futureshop with my new 7800GS last week :eek:

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For what you'll pay for a 7800GS AGP you could get a 7900GT that is at least 2 times as fast across the board......
And this was the main reason for my discomfort. I knew I was getting completely screwed on this card in terms of price/performance, but unfortunately the only other option was a completely new system, and since my current CPU/MB is still going strong with current games, I wasn't prepared to drop any cash on a new conroe box until at least next summer.

Also I noticed that the 7600GT AGP link is a UK website. Does anyone know if those cards are even going to be released in North America? There was also a nice Gainward AGP card that came out recently and was based on the real 7800GT core (all 20 pipes), but it was only ever made available in the UK...

If anyone gets there hands on a 7600GT AGP please let us know, I'd be very interested to see how it matches up with the 7800GS.
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I just saw over at Newegg that the ATI 850PRO XT or...god whatever they're calling it...now has a $50 rebate, bringing it down into the $170 range.....that, I believe, is the ATI part that was battling with the 6800GT's.....although I could be wrong, ATI has more names for their parts than I can keep track of :P

I believe that card runs at about the same level as a 6800GT (or the 7800GS).......Street, did your card come with a receipt? is that something that you might be interested in or are you just gonna stick with your purchase?

PS: hows the card perform??

With the overclockability of the medium range Core-2 Duos on air being pretty amazing, and prices not being too bad...I'm thinking about taking the plunge. I keep trying to justify it to myself by saying "I AM driving a 1080p monitor now" :)
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7600GT in 1 - 3 days!!! That's exciting news!
I hope the card will be release in the US at around the same time!

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I did some more sniffing into this card...I dont understand why people are so excited about it. Its running fear at 30fps at low detail??? I mean sure its a budget card and all, and I suppose for alot of folks just being able to RUN FEAR is a good thing, but......I dunno....if I had to breathe life into my AGP slot, is the 7600 really the answer?

Sure you'll get some ok scores in HL2, Q4, Prey probably.....but usually when I buy a card I expect it to have some legs....this card looks like it grinds to a screeching halt at FEAR and anything coming down the pike.

Have I mis-read?

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I did some more sniffing into this card...I dont understand why people are so excited about it. Its running fear at 30fps at low detail??? I mean sure its a budget card and all, and I suppose for alot of folks just being able to RUN FEAR is a good thing, but......I dunno....if I had to breathe life into my AGP slot, is the 7600 really the answer?

Sure you'll get some ok scores in HL2, Q4, Prey probably.....but usually when I buy a card I expect it to have some legs....this card looks like it grinds to a screeching halt at FEAR and anything coming down the pike.

Have I mis-read?
I think you're possibly confusing it with a 6600 GT.

The 7600 GT does quite well in Fear as you can see http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/xfx_76...x/page_4.shtml

getting an average of 75 fps at 1024x768 at high detail in Fear ( 50 fps at maximum detail).

The only thing it struggles with is Oblivion, but then all nVidia cards struggle in the outdoor areas in Oblivion.

'tis roughly equal in performance to a 6800 GT and supports all the PureVideo features of the top end cards including high def bad edit correction and high def inverse telecine ( content adaptive ).
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And since Headrusch is currently running a 6800GT the 7600GT probably won't be much of an upgrade. If you look at the benchmark results on this site you'll see that the 7600GT is actually a bit slower than the 6800 Ultra, especially at higher resolutions with AA/AF, and I've heard that a lot of 6800GT's can hit Ultra speeds without too much trouble ;).

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Ah, I screwed up my cards :)

I thought we were talking about the 7600 *GS*......the 7600GT is, yes, nice.

I thought we were talking about the 7600GS in AGP form that everyone is waiting on, all my comments were directed about that card, not the GT.

Sorry for the confusion.

My 6800GT is more stable under WinXP than it was under 2000 Pro, but some games are INTOLERANT. HL2 requires me to keep the card around 410/1.1Ghz.

ARe they making a 7600GT in AGP form!?

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I just replaced my old 9600 pro (fan was dead, excuse to go higher :) ) with an xfx 6800xt with 256mb ram and a 256bit bus (the $6 difference at newegg is worth it compared to the 128bit :p ) got it for $136 and oblivion and fear both actually look good now :D
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ARe they making a 7600GT in AGP form!?
Yes. It should start shipping in the UK within the next couple of days.
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