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Where do you see the transfer rate?

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With the PS3, hit the green triangle to get the on screen menu and then hit the icon with the letter i in it (far right side).

Or just press the Select button.
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I freakin' LOVE it! I tested out X-MEN 3 and LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD tonight and both sounded fantastic! I can finally see now why people were always raving about the LFODH soundtrack being awesome, before this update it didn't sound anything special to me but now......YOWZA, DTSHDMA is rockin'!!!!!!!!! The only thing the PS3 is lacking for me to make it the perfect system is bitstreaming. If it could (I don't know if it's even possible due to hardware) then I wouldn't have to ever worry about getting another Blu-Ray player.

Hi-Def is where it's at
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Oldschool if you like those try out the newer fox titles. Mr/Mrs Smith is the best HD disc ever for audio. Sunshine and 28 Weeks Later sound a lot better too.

To be honest Live Free doesn't sound that much different. And X3s sound is unimpressive, The Ratner effect. Flyboys doesn't benefit from the higher res that much either.

The plane ripping apart in Cast Away is more immersive. And Day After Tomorrow sounds like a film with a budget(it should).

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I think we need to get a list going of the discs that have problems with DTS-MA/HR 7.1 mixes. If there is one, I must have missed it. If someone wants to start one, here's what I've got so far.

I've tested the following:

Saw IV - Shows DTS-MA 7.1 on PS3 and shows all 8 lights on my receiver.
Shoot Em Up - Shows DTS-MA 7.1 on PS3 and shows 6 lights on my receiver. Sounded VERY flat.
Condemned - Shows DTS-HR 7.1 on PS3 and shows 6 lights on my receiver.

I'm going to test House of 1,000 Corpses now.

Something is not right here with some of the 7.1 mixes. Those who said they experienced 7.1 from Shoot em Up better check again. Make sure your receiver isn't taking your side speakers and mixing them into the rears...

On a positive note, Live Free or Die Hard sounded great in DTS-MA 5.1!
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re: the missing rear channels in some 7.1 discs.

I am adding this because I didn't see a note of explanation in this thread.

According to FilmMixer, the problem is with the PS3 dts-MA decoder. Some New Line discs such as Pan's Labyrinth flag the rear surrounds using the new DTS-HD Multiple Speaker Playback Configuration labels. The labels are part of the spec, but the PS3 decoder doesn't know what to do with them. The PS3 recognizes them as 7.1 channels and reports that on its display. But, it doesn't put them into the PCM channels for transmission. So, the data arriving at the AVR is only 5.1.

There's more explanation in the PS3 Firmware 2.3x thread starting on page 8.
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re: the missing rear channels in some 7.1 discs.

I am adding this because I didn't see a note of explanation in this thread.

According to FilmMixer, the problem is with the PS3 dts-MA decoder. Some New Line discs such as Pan's Labyrinth flag the rear surrounds using the new DTS-HD Multiple Speaker Playback Configuration labels. The labels are part of the spec, but the PS3 decoder doesn't know what to do with them. The PS3 recognizes them as 7.1 channels and reports that on its display. But, it doesn't put them into the PCM channels for transmission. So, the data arriving at the AVR is only 5.1.

There's more explanation in the PS3 Firmware 2.3x thread starting on page 8.

Thank you sir! Seems like this DTS issue deserves it's own thread.
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I don't have many DTS-MA titles (I've been actively avoiding them), but I did check out Kingdom of Heaven last night. The improvement in sound quality is definitely noticeable in my system. The dialog was more crisp and easier to understand, especially in scenes with a lot of ambient sound. The surrounds were more noticeable, and the LFE in the battle scenes was more dramatic. Check out the sounds of the horses in the cavalry charges, and, of course, the catapults during the siege of Jerusalem.

A big winner for the PS3.
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Thank you sir! Seems like this DTS issue deserves it's own thread.

I'm wondering if it would be possible to consolidate all discussion of the 7.1 DTS issue into one thread. While it's no doubt frustrating for those who are experiencing it, it's threatening to take over every PS3/BD discussion here at AVS. And, forgive the frankness, most of us don't have the problem because we don't have 7.1 systems and even if we do, as I understand it, it affects only New Line discs.
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Huh? In the end:

Dolby TrueHD == DTS-HD MA == PCM

There is no difference between any of them, as they should all yield the SAME resolution as the studio master. Besides, TrueHD and DTS-HD MA both get decoded to PCM before D/A conversion and amplification, so they literally are the same. Your ears must be playing tricks on you.

Despite the theoretical equality of the lossless codecs, I also hear a difference. TruHD is at the bottom. DTS HD MA is at the top.
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Despite the theoretical equality of the lossless codecs, I also hear a difference. TruHD is at the bottom. DTS HD MA is at the top.

There is nothing theoretical about it, both DTS HD MA and TrueHD are mathematically lossless to the original PCM master that they are encoded from.
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Despite the theoretical equality of the lossless codecs, I also hear a difference. TruHD is at the bottom. DTS HD MA is at the top.

What are you basing your findings on? I don't think there's any movie out there w/ both a True HD and a DTS-HD MA soundtrack. You can't just compare codecs w/ different movies, there has to be a control.

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Close Encounters features a DTS HD MA and TrueHD soundtrack
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The bass hits a lot cleaner and harder with full MA. The Jets and firebombing in 28 Weeks Later just makes the entire room shake now. I was surprised that the difference was that great.

Just watched this last night as my DTS MA HD test... WOW!!!

Yes, the jets and firebombing were incredible... way more than the core track, which was already good.

New sh*t has come to light...
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Oldschool if you like those try out the newer fox titles. Mr/Mrs Smith is the best HD disc ever for audio. Sunshine and 28 Weeks Later sound a lot better too.

To be honest Live Free doesn't sound that much different. And X3s sound is unimpressive, The Ratner effect. Flyboys doesn't benefit from the higher res that much either.

The plane ripping apart in Cast Away is more immersive. And Day After Tomorrow sounds like a film with a budget(it should).



I think I disagree with everything you just said, but this is a matter of opinion and I respect yours, but Mr/Mrs Smith best disc ever for audio? I would not even put that disc as one of the better ones

I would put LFoDH and X3 above all the other movies you listed and 28 weeks later 3rd for audio.

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I'm wondering if it would be possible to consolidate all discussion of the 7.1 DTS issue into one thread. While it's no doubt frustrating for those who are experiencing it, it's threatening to take over every PS3/BD discussion here at AVS. And, forgive the frankness, most of us don't have the problem because we don't have 7.1 systems and even if we do, as I understand it, it affects only New Line discs.

Agreed.

However, Lionsgate has fallen victim to this bug as well. Condemned didn't light up 7.1, and that was a 7.1 DTS HR track. I need to check House of 1000 corpses. I didn't get a chance to do it last night.
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I like my with an espresso & a robusto cigar....

+1, but my wife would castrate me if I smoked a robusto in the house!!
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Love it. Played Kingdom of Heaven. Bit rate was running from low 3 to low 4. Sounded great. More expansive and deeper than the core track. Can't wait to hear more tracks.

+1 for the sound of Kingdom of Heaven. I have some 40 bd's, only one that has dts-hd ma!! have several dd 1.0 tho!!
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I still have not done the update and moved the PS3 into the theater.

This weekend is not looking all to good either for it. Thanks for all the impressions on it as this definetly gives me some incentive to make that change.
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Just watched this last night as my DTS MA HD test... WOW!!!

Great !

I started a new poll here on this subject ...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1020025



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As a UK owner, I'm delighted.

Just waiting for the new Sony STR-DG920 to be released on these shores now.
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FYI: The DTS-HR soundtrack (not MA) of Stargate sounds excellent. It doesn't help the transfer much, but I could finally hear the way it was meant to be heard yesterday and if you have it, it's worth checking out.

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There is nothing theoretical about it, both DTS HD MA and TrueHD are mathematically lossless to the original PCM master that they are encoded from.

So then what keeps someone using PCM off the PS3 over Optical need to get a new HD receiver and HDMI cables? Help me understand this part because I need a new receiver and need to know which way I should go.

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So then what keeps someone using PCM off the PS3 over Optical need to get a new HD receiver and HDMI cables? Help me understand this part because I need a new receiver and need to know which way I should go.

Because over optical you're limited to 2 channel PCM?
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FYI: The DTS-HR soundtrack (not MA) of Stargate sounds excellent. It doesn't help the transfer much, but I could finally hear the way it was meant to be heard yesterday and if you have it, it's worth checking out.

Ah, good one to check out thanks. I can't remember all the titles that use DTS.
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I am loving it... still going through some of my "older" movies and rewatching them to experience the new sound again.


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Something is not right here with some of the 7.1 mixes. Those who said they experienced 7.1 from Shoot em Up better check again. Make sure your receiver isn't taking your side speakers and mixing them into the rears...

Are you saying that 7.1 shows up in my ps3, 7.1 shows up in my receiver, yet i'm not getting 7.1 playback? Tried shoot 'em up last night and it sounded great. not flat at all. and yes to 7.1 playback. PS3-> onkyo 705 using hdmi. did manual set up on hdmi audio to select 7.1 playback. again, until you select 7.1, you won't get 7.1 only 5.1.
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What are you basing your findings on? I don't think there's any movie out there w/ both a True HD and a DTS-HD MA soundtrack. You can't just compare codecs w/ different movies, there has to be a control.

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Close Encounters features a DTS HD MA and TrueHD soundtrack

If that's the case, then I stand corrected. Happy comparing!

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I tried comparing bitstreamed dts-HD MA with my Toshiba XA2 HD DVD player and the PS3 passing PCM after converting it from dts-HD MA and it's really hard to to tell if there is a difference between them at all. I expected this, of course, but I thought maybe the bitstreamed might be more dynamic because of the processing going on inside the receiver. You would need to do an A/B comparison on both players and with the same movie and listen very close to see if there are any subtle differences. Without going through this entire thread, has anybody been able to tell a difference between the two with a Samsung or the new Panasonic BD player with an Onkyo for example? It's nice to see dts-HD MA light up on my Onkyo 905, but PCM is better than Dolby Digital and dts core. It's nice to unlock the HD audio on all the great Fox flicks.
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well I just did some comparisons with live free or die hard, Its not a huge diffrence like DD to true HD but noticeable. I didn't notice it as much in the bass but more in the discrete sounds. Its an awesome addition to have.

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