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Great review of the 1500 Robert George.
As someone who recently returned my Panny 5K I wanted to say thanks for taking the time to post it.

On a side note, how is the 1500's performance with 1080i? My display is a Pioneer 720 HD and anything I run for awhile will be component 1080i.
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On a side note, how is the 1500's performance with 1080i?

Sorry, can't say. I've only used the player in 1080p mode through HDMI. I expect there will be more comments on this area of performance as more people get a hold of one of these players.
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Thanks for the info McGriddle. Now I have to wait for Walmart to put the unit on the shelve. I also have the 5271 and am anxiously waiting to watch blu-ray.

No problem, jxk. I think that this player is a winner for the 5271.
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Merci, FFF.

Robert, Nice work on the detailed review. I currently own the 1400 model, which with the latest FW updates has been flawless for me so far. I am bitstreaming everything to an onkyo 705, and using 24p output to my 46" Sammy LCD.

It sounds like the benefits over the 1400 are relatively minimal - although all sound "nice to have" - eg ejecting the tray quickly after power on, quicker loading times, profile 1.1/2.0 and so on. I thought one of the big features of this next generation was going to be onboard DTS-MA decoding, but looks like the 1500's audio capabilities are the same as the 1400 - apart from the re-encode to DTS which is nice for those who dont have a HDMI AVR i suppose, but not something i need/care about. Not that i care about onboard DTS-MA decoding either, since my AVR can do the decoding, but it's interesting since i thought this was one piece of functionality that would be an obvious enhancement for the next generation - although dropping the multi channel analog outputs, i suppose that cuts down a good percentage of the customer base that could have used onboard decoding of DTS-MA anyway. At least these "ommissions" have reflected well on the price of the 1500 - yes it is missing analog outputs, DTS-MA decoding and so on, but it seems to be priced well, and more and more people will be getting capable AVRs, so the decision may prove to have been a good one.

It will remain to be seen whether the 1500 is a more "consistent" performer than the 1400 though, as there is seemingly alot of quality control issues with the 1400 - some of us like me have an absolutely flawless experience, while others are plagued with dropouts, issues and faulty players. So let's hope they have improved things on that front...



Can you please let us 1400 owners know how the 1500 behaves when you pause a disc and leave it? The 1400 "stops" the disc after 5 minutes of pause, which is a real pain when it's a movie that doesnt properly resume (due to java, advanced authoring and so on). The 1400 also powers itself off after some time of inactivty (possibly an hour or more) - which caused me to have to set my turn off macro to Play-Wait-PowerToggle, simply to handle the case where the player turns itself off, but the remote still thinks it is on. This works fine, but i would be interested to know whether the 1500 retains these "features" or not.
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yes-boot time is ~30 seconds to start of playback and the 1500 is twice as fast as the 1400's

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qz3fwd, since you have a (and even two) 1400, could you compare the boot duration? Just to have a confirmation that it's really faster? I read probably here that it's maybe twice faster, but I prefer to trust a real measurement Thanks in advance if you can do that for us! (I'm sure I'm not the only one interested by this)

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Ive been using a 1500 since wednesday. This is my first BR player but I use a lot at work on a daily basis(thing big box electronics store). I really like this player so far and am amazed at how awesome BR is in general bringing my home theater to life.

However, one thing Ive been noticing while watching different movies is an issue with my sound. There are times when I get a quick tick or skipping in the sound. Also, when theres very deep sound scenes like a crash or a boom, it seems that the sound level drops and then comes back up. Anyone else get this?
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I picked up a 1500 yesterday and I'll add a few comments for the thread....

This is my fourth personally owned standalone Blu-ray player, not including the PS3, which I have owned since it was first released. Additionally, I have had all but two of all Blu-ray players in my system for evaluation. Only the Samsung BD-P1200 and Panasonic BD10 have escaped my steely gaze . Of all the players I have owned and tested, only the Panasonic BD30 was good enough to last in my system more than a month. I recently sold the BD30 after some five months because I felt the newly updated PS3 was going to satisfy my needs and wants. After only a couple of weeks without a standalone player, I was already looking for another one. The PS3 certainly has its well documented strengths, but it is still not the same thing as a standalone player, and for someone that is not in any way into the gaming culture, the PS3 simply doesn't "feel" like a home theater component. With this as the basis for my comments, here is my take on the new Samsung BD-P1500.

For audio, I use the Denon AVR-4308ci receiver with a full 7.1 speaker configuration. The Denon is HDMI 1.3 with decoding of all advanced audio codecs. The 1500, like the Panasonic BD30 before it, is a simple single HDMI cable from player to receiver for a digital connection of all audio and video. All audio decoding is done in the Denon receiver, and the 1500 outputs all advanced codecs correctly. Although the newly updated PS3 now decodes DTS-HD MA audio, as well as TrueHD, I found that losing the ability to send the native audio bitstream to the receiver was one feature I missed most after getting rid of the BD30. You can spare me the "it's all PCM and all sounds the same" spiel. Most of the people that say this haven't listened extensively to both (PS3) player decoding and bitstreaming to a quality AVR. Not saying they're wrong, only saying they don't really know. Suffice to say, my stated preference is to send the native bitsteam audio to a receiver for the audio heavy lifting, at least with the gear I've used in my own system.

Video is primarily a Sony VPL-VW60 shooting on a 106" Dalite Cinemavision 1.3 gain white screen in a light controlled room. Also available is a 65" Mitsubishi WD-65831 DLP TV. Both accept 24p input, but only the Sony PJ refreshes at an even multiple of 24 (96 Hz). All critical viewing is on the Sony projection rig. No EDID issues with any of the components in this system. All 24p capable players I have used, including the new Samsung, have output 24p. In the case of the new Sammy 1500, I will point out that 24p output appears correct out of the box, unlike the previous 1400.

So, how does it look and perform? In a word, pretty damn good (okay, three words). Basic video performance on Blu-ray disc is easily top tier. The new Sammy is in the same class as the best Sonys, Pioneers, and the Panasonic BD30. Video quality among the best performing BD players is very, very close. While I would not necessarily say the 1500 is better than any other player I have seen, it is certainly no worse than the best I have seen. I would rate the overall HD video performance of the 1500 a half step above the PS3.

Strengths of the video section are excellent black level, sharpness and detail, color reproduction, and smoothness of the image. Shadow detail is as good as I have seen on my system, and perhaps the most visible improvement over the PS3, which seems a bit more prone to crushing detail in black by comparison. The 1500 does not lighten the image at all, there is simply a bit more dynamic range in the dark areas of an image. The exceptional range of black level also seems to add a bit more depth and dimensionality to the best transfers.

The 1500 is not lacking at all in sharpness and reproduction of fine detail, yet there is less "shimmering" in grainy images than I see with the PS3. This is very noticeable in the opening black and white sequence of Casino Royale. With the PS3, some parts of the image are "alive" with shimmering grain. This is still visible on the 1500, though noticeably less shimmering without loss of detail. More film-like, if you will.

On the "nuts & bolts" side, the 1500 is much improved over previous Samsung models in terms of disc loading and Java performance. Disc load times are between 45 and 65 seconds for Java discs and as quick as ~25 seconds for discs without the "benefit" of Java programming. Overall disc load times are slightly slower than the PS3 and about equal to the Panasonic BD30, which makes the 1500 one of the best standalone players in this regard.

One other note, Samsung has designed the player to spit out the disc drawer extremely quickly. With the player off, pressing the eject button results in tray eject in about 5 seconds (yeah, 5 seconds). I will add that the player continues to boot after the tray opens. The player isn't really ready to play for about 30 seconds after turn on. Menu navigation is very quick with no noticeable lag, even on Java heavy menus like Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer.

This being Blu-ray, BD Profile features are important now. The 1500 is final standard Profile 1.1 out of the box. The player does have an Ethernet port, ostensibly for firmware updates, but also allows Samsung to make the 1500 BD Live ready, as noted on the box, but not in the manual. A future firmware update will add full BD Live (BD 2.0) capability. Samsung has also included a dedicated "Bonusview" button on the remote to make accessing Profile 1.1 features on those discs that have them easier.

A couple of disc compatibility notes. Samsung does not claim compatibility with DVD+R media. However, I played a DVD+R and a DVD+R DL with not problems. The manual states the player will not play divx, avi, mpg, mov, wma, mp3, or jpeg content. I have verified the US model of the 1500 will not play PAL video as well.

Cosmetics are obviously a subjective topic, but for the record, I happen to very much like the approach Samsung has taken with the 1500. The front panel is completely flat and smooth and, except for the "Samsung" logo and a few button icons, totally black. This also makes it difficult to find the IR sensor for those (like me) that use stick-on emitters for a RF/IR remote control system. It's on the upper right side of the player face a couple of inches to the left of the button group.

Some will say the build quality is flimsy, and it is. The player is very light, about 6 lbs. This is what one should expect of a $399 Blu-ray player. Obviously, physical weight does not directly correlate to technical performance for a product like this. Just be happy you won't need help getting it out of the box .

Thanks for the review. How is the SD-DVD quality when compared to the BD30 or even an HD DVD player?
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Great review of the 1500 Robert George.
As someone who recently returned my Panny 5K I wanted to say thanks for taking the time to post it.

On a side note, how is the 1500's performance with 1080i? My display is a Pioneer 720 HD and anything I run for awhile will be component 1080i.


The P1500 performance on my 57F59 is excellent via 1080i and I actually prefer watching movies on my 57F59 RPTV then my Toshiba 47HL167. It's more film like and realistic.

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Ive been using a 1500 since wednesday. This is my first BR player but I use a lot at work on a daily basis(thing big box electronics store). I really like this player so far and am amazed at how awesome BR is in general bringing my home theater to life.

However, one thing Ive been noticing while watching different movies is an issue with my sound. There are times when I get a quick tick or skipping in the sound. Also, when theres very deep sound scenes like a crash or a boom, it seems that the sound level drops and then comes back up. Anyone else get this?

What is your sound system setup?


Also, make sure Settings>Audio> Dynamic Compression is "Off"... it is on by default.
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You are welcome Robert.

Thanks for the info qz3fwd!
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What is your sound system setup?


Also, make sure Settings>Audio> Dynamic Compression is "Off"... it is on by default.

Using 3808 with def-tech all around. Ill go check the settings, thanks for that!

EDIT: Ok so I changed the settings and the sound overall is much better. However, Im still getting the dropoff in sound. It happens at the exact same points every time I watch scenes over again. Im using Ratatouille as my reference movie for this situation.
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Thanks for the review. How is the SD-DVD quality when compared to the BD30 or even an HD DVD player?

I will have to do some more comparison testing in different modes, but I did look at a DVD last night on the 1500 in 1080p and thought it looked soft. I put the same disc into my HD-A35 set to 1080i (what I normally use to play SD DVD) and found it to be sharper and more detailed. This could be the (cheap) scaling in the 1500 and it may look better set to 1080i. I'll look into this a bit more tonight.
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Using 3808 with def-tech all around. Ill go check the settings, thanks for that!

EDIT: Ok so I changed the settings and the sound overall is much better. However, Im still getting the dropoff in sound. It happens at the exact same points every time I watch scenes over again. Im using Ratatouille as my reference movie for this situation.

Also.. try another/new HDMI cable..

Maker sure on your 3808 that the other digital inputs for that source are turned off (i.e. optical etc..) and HDMI is the only one selected.
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Great review and comments.

I've been using the BD30 for a while and I know you had, as well. While it sounds like the BD30 and Samsung are very, very close for PQ at 1080p/24 on BD, are there any subtle PQ differences you've been able to notice yet between these two units?

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What is your sound system setup?


Also, make sure Settings>Audio> Dynamic Compression is "Off"... it is on by default.

I think a new HDMI cable might do the trick too... Go for a cable that is rated at 10.2 Ghz/sec... The new audio codecs and High Def video pass a lot of info to the receiver at once...

http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=3831
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I think a new HDMI cable might do the trick too... Go for a cable that is rated at 10.2 Ghz/sec... The new audio codecs and High Def video pass a lot of info to the receiver at once...

http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=3831

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I picked up a 1500 yesterday and I'll add a few comments for the thread....

This is my fourth personally owned standalone Blu-ray player, not including the PS3, which I have owned since it was first released. Additionally, I have had all but two of all Blu-ray players in my system for evaluation. Only the Samsung BD-P1200 and Panasonic BD10 have escaped my steely gaze . Of all the players I have owned and tested, only the Panasonic BD30 was good enough to last in my system more than a month. I recently sold the BD30 after some five months because I felt the newly updated PS3 was going to satisfy my needs and wants. After only a couple of weeks without a standalone player, I was already looking for another one. The PS3 certainly has its well documented strengths, but it is still not the same thing as a standalone player, and for someone that is not in any way into the gaming culture, the PS3 simply doesn't "feel" like a home theater component. With this as the basis for my comments, here is my take on the new Samsung BD-P1500.

For audio, I use the Denon AVR-4308ci receiver with a full 7.1 speaker configuration. The Denon is HDMI 1.3 with decoding of all advanced audio codecs. The 1500, like the Panasonic BD30 before it, is a simple single HDMI cable from player to receiver for a digital connection of all audio and video. All audio decoding is done in the Denon receiver, and the 1500 outputs all advanced codecs correctly. Although the newly updated PS3 now decodes DTS-HD MA audio, as well as TrueHD, I found that losing the ability to send the native audio bitstream to the receiver was one feature I missed most after getting rid of the BD30. You can spare me the "it's all PCM and all sounds the same" spiel. Most of the people that say this haven't listened extensively to both (PS3) player decoding and bitstreaming to a quality AVR. Not saying they're wrong, only saying they don't really know. Suffice to say, my stated preference is to send the native bitsteam audio to a receiver for the audio heavy lifting, at least with the gear I've used in my own system.

Video is primarily a Sony VPL-VW60 shooting on a 106" Dalite Cinemavision 1.3 gain white screen in a light controlled room. Also available is a 65" Mitsubishi WD-65831 DLP TV. Both accept 24p input, but only the Sony PJ refreshes at an even multiple of 24 (96 Hz). All critical viewing is on the Sony projection rig. No EDID issues with any of the components in this system. All 24p capable players I have used, including the new Samsung, have output 24p. In the case of the new Sammy 1500, I will point out that 24p output appears correct out of the box, unlike the previous 1400.

So, how does it look and perform? In a word, pretty damn good (okay, three words). Basic video performance on Blu-ray disc is easily top tier. The new Sammy is in the same class as the best Sonys, Pioneers, and the Panasonic BD30. Video quality among the best performing BD players is very, very close. While I would not necessarily say the 1500 is better than any other player I have seen, it is certainly no worse than the best I have seen. I would rate the overall HD video performance of the 1500 a half step above the PS3.

Strengths of the video section are excellent black level, sharpness and detail, color reproduction, and smoothness of the image. Shadow detail is as good as I have seen on my system, and perhaps the most visible improvement over the PS3, which seems a bit more prone to crushing detail in black by comparison. The 1500 does not lighten the image at all, there is simply a bit more dynamic range in the dark areas of an image. The exceptional range of black level also seems to add a bit more depth and dimensionality to the best transfers.

The 1500 is not lacking at all in sharpness and reproduction of fine detail, yet there is less "shimmering" in grainy images than I see with the PS3. This is very noticeable in the opening black and white sequence of Casino Royale. With the PS3, some parts of the image are "alive" with shimmering grain. This is still visible on the 1500, though noticeably less shimmering without loss of detail. More film-like, if you will.

On the "nuts & bolts" side, the 1500 is much improved over previous Samsung models in terms of disc loading and Java performance. Disc load times are between 45 and 65 seconds for Java discs and as quick as ~25 seconds for discs without the "benefit" of Java programming. Overall disc load times are slightly slower than the PS3 and about equal to the Panasonic BD30, which makes the 1500 one of the best standalone players in this regard.

One other note, Samsung has designed the player to spit out the disc drawer extremely quickly. With the player off, pressing the eject button results in tray eject in about 5 seconds (yeah, 5 seconds). I will add that the player continues to boot after the tray opens. The player isn't really ready to play for about 30 seconds after turn on. Menu navigation is very quick with no noticeable lag, even on Java heavy menus like Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer.

This being Blu-ray, BD Profile features are important now. The 1500 is final standard Profile 1.1 out of the box. The player does have an Ethernet port, ostensibly for firmware updates, but also allows Samsung to make the 1500 BD Live ready, as noted on the box, but not in the manual. A future firmware update will add full BD Live (BD 2.0) capability. Samsung has also included a dedicated "Bonusview" button on the remote to make accessing Profile 1.1 features on those discs that have them easier.

A couple of disc compatibility notes. Samsung does not claim compatibility with DVD+R media. However, I played a DVD+R and a DVD+R DL with not problems. The manual states the player will not play divx, avi, mpg, mov, wma, mp3, or jpeg content. I have verified the US model of the 1500 will not play PAL video as well.

Cosmetics are obviously a subjective topic, but for the record, I happen to very much like the approach Samsung has taken with the 1500. The front panel is completely flat and smooth and, except for the "Samsung" logo and a few button icons, totally black. This also makes it difficult to find the IR sensor for those (like me) that use stick-on emitters for a RF/IR remote control system. It's on the upper right side of the player face a couple of inches to the left of the button group.

Some will say the build quality is flimsy, and it is. The player is very light, about 6 lbs. This is what one should expect of a $399 Blu-ray player. Obviously, physical weight does not directly correlate to technical performance for a product like this. Just be happy you won't need help getting it out of the box .

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While it sounds like the BD30 and Samsung are very, very close for PQ at 1080p/24 on BD, are there any subtle PQ differences you've been able to notice yet between these two units?

Not that I'd be willing to say. Certainly not something I'd consider trading for. As I said, the only reseason I have the Samsung in my system is I regretted the decision to get rid of the BD30 a couple of weeks ago. The Samsung was what I chose to try out instead of getting another BD30 mostly for price consideration. I got the Sammy for $150 less than the Panny and if I didn't like it, well, I could always take it back and wait for the upcoming Sony player or maybe the Panasonic BD50 (though I think that one will be overpriced). Updatability to Profile 2.0 had a very small part in the decision as well, but not much. Also not something I would trade the BD30 for if I still had it (don't forget, I still have a PS3).
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Not that I'd be willing to say. Certainly not something I'd consider trading for. As I said, the only reseason I have the Samsung in my system is I regretted the decision to get rid of the BD30 a couple of weeks ago. The Samsung was what I chose to try out instead of getting another BD30 mostly for price consideration. I got the Sammy for $150 less than the Panny and if I didn't like it, well, I could always take it back and wait for the upcoming Sony player or maybe the Panasonic BD50 (though I think that one will be overpriced). Updatability to Profile 2.0 had a very small part in the decision as well, but not much. Also not something I would trade the BD30 for if I still had it (don't forget, I still have a PS3).

Sounds good. I've actually been happy with the BD30 (profile 2.0 means nothing to me) other than the TrueHD audio dropouts I've been getting which will likely be corrected in a firmware update. A slight improvement in PQ would be the only reason for me to switch from the BD30, but it looks like that's not the case here.

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I do not own a blu-ray player - but keep reading just in case one jumps into my shopping cart someday somewhere. I am a long-time AV hobbyist, and got into HD-DVD late last year. Although I would have preferred if it had survived longer, it has been very enjoyable and a true bargain (players and movies).

A couple of questions:
1. I keep reading about this Dolby TrueHD issue with Samsung players (mostly when considering a BD-UP5000). My HD-A30 player is connected via hdmi to my TV, but uses a digital optical connection to my Yamaha RX-V1 for audio (older M&K speakers/subs). Selecting Dolby TrueHD gives me excellent full surround sound audio. Does the BDP-1500 and the BD-UP5000 only provide 2 channel audio from the Dolby TrueHD track in this configuration? If yes, why does Samsung do this?
2. I also read about the issue of pausing/stopping/forwarding/reversing movies and then being unable to restart them from where you left off. Is this true of this player?
3. Does this player properly handle 4:3 material - meaning it does not corrupt the original aspect ratio by forcing it into a stretched or zoomed widescreen presentation. I'm expecting a full top to bottom image with sidebars on my 16:9 TV.

Can you help me understand the details of these issues so I can decide if it is a deal breaker for me? I've kind of given up on a combo player given the problems talked about, manufacturers dropping production and pricing. It would appear that sticking with my perfectly functioning HD-DVD players and adding a blu-ray player might be a better long term approach. But I want to make a good selection. Another box and remote - my wife will go nuts . . .

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Anyone willing to open up their box to see for sure?
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After all the problems and poor service from Samsung I thing I will wait and pay the extra for the new Panny. Samsung is not on my buy list anymore.
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Not that I'd be willing to say. Certainly not something I'd consider trading for. As I said, the only reseason I have the Samsung in my system is I regretted the decision to get rid of the BD30 a couple of weeks ago. The Samsung was what I chose to try out instead of getting another BD30 mostly for price consideration. I got the Sammy for $150 less than the Panny and if I didn't like it, well, I could always take it back and wait for the upcoming Sony player or maybe the Panasonic BD50 (though I think that one will be overpriced). Updatability to Profile 2.0 had a very small part in the decision as well, but not much. Also not something I would trade the BD30 for if I still had it (don't forget, I still have a PS3).

I return my open box bd30 which was 350.00 at the time I got it, Then I learn about the sony s350 coming out with 400 msrp and decided to wait since s350 will be about the same that I would pay for the brand new player vs Open box bd30 so like me I consider the price. But now samsung is out and finally our local BB have them in stock I just pick it up used my 50.00 discount from buying the plasma hd premier advantage and another 50.00 giftcard from buying the hd dvd back in 2007 so a total of 100.00 so basically I got a brand new player and after all discount 299.00 plus tax. I will move my bd10a to our bedroom and hook this sammy to Onkyo 705 and will find out if it good as the bd30. Reason I returned the bd30 also is because of the audio dropouts and sudden stop of accepting bluray disc.

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After all the problems and poor service from Samsung I thing I will wait and pay the extra for the new Panny. Samsung is not on my buy list anymore.

Wise move.

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Wise move.

Can you guys share your bad experiences with samsung? I don't want to experience any bad experience you two had with samsung, I can still return my sammy 1500 to avoid any bad experiences from sammy's

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I am thinking about picking up the 1500. I have a defective 1400 model (it plays DVDs, but spits out Blu Ray discs for past 60 days). The 1400 is past warranty and sammy wants $80 labor for fix and shipping, so I'll be out a DVD player when I do that.

I want to get a new player that is upgradeable to 2.0 and BD-Live, etc but don't know if the 1500 is the answer for now or if I should wait out for the Sony or something else. I don't really like Panasonic stuff, but it's been awhile since I've stopped using Panny but got bit by Samsung when my 1400 stopped working for Blu Rays. I have a Samsung 52" LCD also and overall like there stuff so far. I'm not really in a immediate need to replace the Blu Ray function as we've only picked up 3-4 blu discs so far. We also just got a 5.1 speaker setup so are excited with that and regular DVDs for the time being.

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I don't agree, both in this case and in general. Judging any future based solely on a past without benefit of experience is simply closed-minded.

In the case of this new Samsung player, I readily admit that I was one of those that bought the previous BD-P1400 and was very dissatisfied with it. it was simply a poorly designed player, mostly due to a poorly designed main chipset (not Samsung's fault directly). The new player uses a completely different chipset, and that is the main reason it is a much better performing player than the previous model. If I had taken my experience with the 1400 and ASSUMED the 1500 would be no better, I would have missed out on what turns out to be a very good player (relatively) at a very good price (relatively).
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I don't agree, both in this case and in general. Judging any future based solely on a past without benefit of experience is simply closed-minded.

In the case of this new Samsung player, I readily admit that I was one of those that bought the previous BD-P1400 and was very dissatisfied with it. it was simply a poorly designed player, mostly due to a poorly designed main chipset (not Samsung's fault directly). The new player uses a completely different chipset, and that is the main reason it is a much better performing player than the previous model. If I had taken my experience with the 1400 and ASSUMED the 1500 would be no better, I would have missed out on what turns out to be a very good player (relatively) at a very good price (relatively).

what chipset does the 1500 use? I thought i read it used the same sigma designs 834 rev C as the 1400 and the new sony players etc?

And did any new owners see the various queries asking you to let us know how it behaves when you leave a disc on pause? The 1400 stops the disc after 5 minutes of pause, meaning if it is a disc that doesnt resume nicely, it takes ages to get back to where you were. Can someone please try this out and let us know
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I just tested out the upconversion using the same disc in both my Oppo 971 and the P1500. Im not getting rid of the Oppo yet when I saw that most scenes were rendered darker on the Sami. Audio seemed that same, just visually the Oppo was still better.
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