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New Denon DVD-1800BD announced - SRP $749

DENON EXPANDS ITS BLU-RAY LINEUP WITH NEW MODEL DVD-1800BD PLAYER New More Affordable Player Brings Denon-Quality Blu-ray Performance Within Reach of More Consumers; Features HDMI 1.3a with Deep Color Support Mahwah, NJ, May 20, 2008 Denon Electronics, one of the world's premier manufacturers of high-quality home entertainment components, today announced the introduction of the third member in its highly successful and critically acclaimed Blu-ray DVD family, the model DVD-1800BD Profile 1 version 1.1 Blu-ray Disc Player (SRP: $749). Offering consumers extraordinary video quality and audio excellence at a more affordable price point, the DVD-1800BD features HDMI 1.3a with Deep Color and Bonus View support, full bitstream output of Dolby and DTS-HD audio formats, as well as 1080p scaling from SD DVDs and 2-channel analog audio output. The Denon DVD-1800BD is scheduled for availability in October 2008 Like Denon's two recently introduced Blu-ray products, the DVD-3800BDCI Blu-ray Disc Player ($1,999) and the DVD-2500BTCI (SRP: $1,199) Blu-ray Disc Transport, the DVD-1800BD allows owners of advanced A/V receivers to add Blu-ray capability to their system and enjoy high definition video. The VD-1800BD will natively output an HD audio bit-stream to a connected receiver via HDMI. Once this signal is accepted in the receiver, it can then be decoded into its native format including Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio. For those listeners who want to use the DVD-1800BD as a step-up CD player, this unit features a dedicated 2-channel analog output, equipped with high-class Burr-Brown D/A convertors and superior analog components to ensure the high level of sound quality for which Denon is renowned.
In keeping with the guidelines mandated by the Blu-ray Association for BD-ROM Profile 1 version 1.1 players, the Denon Model DVD-1800BD incorporates a secondary audio and video decoder. This allows for simultaneous playback of a secondary audio and video track which may be used for interactive audio and commentary and for picture-in-picture capability (respectively). Additional information (subtitles, audio streams, camera angles, trailers, games, etc.) can be downloaded from the Internet via computer and stored on a SD card that the player will accept. This content can be played with the original content of Blu-ray Discs.
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HQV Realta chip?
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Doubtful. I would think if they included it at that price, it would be in the announcement. *shrug*
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Evidence that Blu ray is full steam ahead!
It's amazing how far behind Yamaha really is in introducing a blu ray capable player! Denon and Pioneer are definitely leaders in the technology!

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My guess is that this player is based off of the Pioneer BDP-51FD or Pioneer BDP-05FD.

Denon has it priced in between the two Pioneer units.
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Evidence that Blu ray is full steam ahead!

Ya think?

So, what is new players in the $600 to $800 price range that are still only Profile 1.1 TWO YEARS after the format's launch evidence of?
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$749? Thank you. No.
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Ya think?

So, what is new players in the $600 to $800 price range that are still only Profile 1.1 TWO YEARS after the format's launch evidence of?

Evidence that the price is coming down. I paid $1300 for my first Panny and $2000 for my Denon. These prices look great as these players are easily equal to my Denon. Besides, those in the know are trying to avoid 2.0. It is merely a spam input that is added over 1.1. HD DVD had it early on, the players were cheap and the public knew better and avoided it. If you have a HD DVD player, you'd know the extra content was garbage, slowed the player down and caused lock ups for some.


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Ya think?

So, what is new players in the $600 to $800 price range that are still only Profile 1.1 TWO YEARS after the format's launch evidence of?

Evidence that a new Denon can be had for $600-800.
AND evidence Denon doesn't think there is much demand for an inexpensive 2.0 player at the moment.

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considering how much the value of the dollar fell since 06, any price drop is multiplied.
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Finally some pictures of this unit. I think it looks good.

http://www.audioholics.com/news/on-l...iew_fullscreen
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It is merely a spam input that is added over 1.1

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I've got no problem with a 2.0 player

I don't really care for "BD Live" myself, I think it will be primarily used for sell's and advertisement related material disguised as "entertainment". Although once it becomes a standard in the next few years we will all have it. Until then we really will not know what it's impact, or potential, will be. When you look at it it's really just another interNET port, only accessbile from your BD player.
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Only 80%?

Exactly my point Few understand what Blu Ray is. How many asked about a RS-232 port for their Blu Ray players today? None. It is not the first (or last) question on their collective minds. No one cares about 2.0 except a few paranoid hold outs around here. The manufacturers know this and keep on churning out the 1.1 players. Cost is king and 2.0 will add cost and is a worthless option / spec. So, more, cheaper 1.1 players (thankfully) are on the way.


Good question! RS232 is something I need.
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Finally some pictures of this unit. I think it looks good.

http://www.audioholics.com/news/on-l...iew_fullscreen

Looks suspiciously like the layout of the $298 magnavox NB500 you can get at Walmart. Ouch.


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Looks suspiciously like the layout of the $298 magnavox NB500 you can get at Walmart. Ouch.

I hate to be fixated on aesthetics, but the player does look cheap when considering its price and the build quality of Pioneer's upcoming, similarly priced BD players.
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Looks suspiciously like the layout of the $298 magnavox NB500 you can get at Walmart. Ouch.

You could be right. That $2000 player used core br technology from that cheap BD30 from panasonic.
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Looks suspiciously like the layout of the $298 magnavox NB500 you can get at Walmart. Ouch.

Since Funai has been a long time supplier of DVD players for Denon, it wouldn't be too much of a surprize if the lower priced Denon model is being OEM'ed from Funai. This doesn't mean that it identical to the $298 Magnavox nor the $399 Philips (perhaps another Funai OEM'ed player). Rather is could be built by Funai with the feature set specified by Denon. However it would likely share some (perhaps many) of the same components with the lower priced Magnavox, Sylvania, etc. players. Even the cheap Magnavox uses the Panasonic chip set, the same as used in the BD30 and upcoming BD50 models.

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At least it is smaller than a tank this time.

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At least it is smaller than a tank this time

that's because you're losing the more refined video (Realta) processing and audio componentry. So when you look at it the DVD-BD1800 is somewhat over-priced when compared to the up-coming Pioneer Elite units (ie. BDP-05FD, etc.,..). Typical Denon business model. The only significant (new) feature I can see (on the DVD-1800BD) is "Deep Color".
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that looks like a panasonic bd30 in denon clothing...anyone want to wager that's what it is???
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Good point WestCoastD. I bet it is going to be just like a BD50 as well.

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that looks like a panasonic bd30 in denon clothing...anyone want to wager that's what it is???

I'll double-down on Joe's bet: BD50.

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Twice had an article which stated:

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The new Blu-ray model, like its two companions, support Bonus View, Deep Color, SD cards, and decoding of all Blu-ray authorized surround formats but lack xvYCC support and AVCHD playback. The new model offers the same features and internal construction quality of the $1,999 player but uses a single-layer steel chassis instead of a multilayer steel chassis, and it uses a molded front panel instead of aluminum.

Of course whether it has the same audio and video quality will be unknown until it's released.
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Only 80%?

Exactly my point Few understand what Blu Ray is. How many asked about a RS-232 port for their Blu Ray players today? None. It is not the first (or last) question on their collective minds. No one cares about 2.0 except a few paranoid hold outs around here. The manufacturers know this and keep on churning out the 1.1 players. Cost is king and 2.0 will add cost and is a worthless option / spec. So, more, cheaper 1.1 players (thankfully) are on the way.

have to agree with you Jeff, 2.0 is a waste of time.I personally don't care for it i'd rather sit back and enjoy the film than go through the crappy option on how they did the film, I don't care how they did the fim becuase it spoils it for me next time I watch it.

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At least it is smaller than a tank this time.

Are you implying that 'built like a tank' is a bad thing?

Very generally speaking, there are reasons why a Denon player weighs in at 30 pounds and the samsung down at Best Buy pounds 5 pounds

With all this wailing and nashing of teeth over the Denon products I wonder if anyone cares about audio anymore?

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Trust me, I have had all almost all of the blu ray players and in terms of pic Q whether they way 30 pounds or 10 there is no differences at 1080p/23.98. My smaller than a tank comment was made bacause I can fit a smaller blu ray unit in my rack... Not that I plan to get another one for quite sometime since I am more than happy with my PS3...
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I wonder if anyone cares about audio anymore?

I do!

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I only care about audio when it comes down to the DTS-HD Master and Dolby TrueHD soundtracks... My theater is for movies not CDs...

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I only care about audio when it comes down to the DTS-HD Master and Dolby TrueHD soundtracks... My theater is for movies not CDs...

looks like we having something in common mate, the same over here.Movies only for me, still the audio is also very important it's what brings the movie to life. I love sitting back and hearing DTS HD Master, TrueHD and PCM especially at refrence level that is so clear.

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Oh yeah, the latest releases are really immersing the viewer into the movie. I am more than happy with my audio especially as of late.

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