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Settings look good. See if you have to pick the Atmos track on the BD itself.
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Settings look good. See if you have to pick the Atmos track on the BD itself.

I'm told that my fatty PS3 doesn't have the ability to bitstream HD audio. Ended up ordering a stand-alone blu ray player.

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Using the PS3 watching blue ray. If the blue ray disc is 7.1 dta hd. And I have an older reciver that only uses optical out. I can not get a Dolby digital 5.1? Is there anyway around this without having to buy a newer reciver. For my ears Dolby digital 5.1 is all I need
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I'm not sure if this is the correct place for this question or not, if not point me in the right direction, I didn't see a thread for 4k Blu-ray specifically. I had a question about 4k bluray audio and Dolby atmos. I'm thinking of upgrading my system. I was wondering how bluray dolby atmos works. I've read a couple articles that state there are no new audio capabilites for the new uhd bluray spec but they didn t go any more in depth that that. Isn't that what dolby atmos is- upgraded audio capabilite on the new blurays and combined with an atmos avr? If there are no new capabilites what's the point. I've read what atmos is but I don't understand if there are new audio capabilities than how do the uhd blurays incorporate that. If anyone knows of any good articles that discuss this please let me know I couldn't find much.

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Sony & Panny owners; Atmos audio signal??

I tried customer service with both companies & they're clueless regarding Dolby Atmos.

Which current Siny or Panny non-UHD bluray players can correctly send the Atmos audio signal to my Yamaha A2050 with no audio drop-outs???

my current 210P series Panasonic player the audio goes in & out when in bitstream mode. PCM works fine, but of course doesn't carry the ATMOS signal

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I have no problems with Atmos audio when using a Sony BDP-S6500. It's in the process of being replaced by the BDP-S6700, so you should be able to get it for a good price, well under $100.

I really think there's no excuse for any current-model BDP to have audio dropouts when bitstreaming a movie that makes extensive use of Seamless Branching.

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Sony & Panny owners; Atmos audio signal??

Ok Selden; I'll look for best price on the S6500 & thx for reply. Not much action in these bluray player threads like in TVs, Audio receivers & speakers..

And what can the newer S6700 do that the former cannot?
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Ok Selden; I'll look for best price on the S6500 & thx for reply. Not much action in these bluray player threads like in TVs, Audio receivers & speakers..

And what can the newer S6700 do that the former cannot?
Costco has the BDP BX650 for 99.00. It passes ATMOS audio mixes thru to the AVR without concerns.

The BX650 is the same as the 6500. Just includes an HDMI cable.

I believe you don't need a membership to purchase this item. Just add to cart and checkout. Some items are that way.

http://www.costco.com/Sony-BDP-BX650-4K-Upscaling-Streaming-Blu-ray-Player.product.100232668.html
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Ok Selden; I'll look for best price on the S6500 & thx for reply. Not much action in these bluray player threads like in TVs, Audio receivers & speakers..

And what can the newer S6700 do that the former cannot?
The only significant difference that I see in the 6700's manual is the addition of support for Bluetooth.

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I hope Closed Captioning is considered under "audio setup". I have the OPPO BDP-93 with the latest firmware and a , with a Denon 4311-CI.

No problelms with 5.1 audio from the Oppo through the Denon either for Blu-Ray disks or Netflix. Closed Captioning and Subtitles work fine with disks, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to turn on Closed Captioning in Netflix. Show is Wentworth, and through the smaller LG tv, which has it's own Netflix interface, I can turn on Closed Captioning easilyl - so I know the show has them. Can't find a place to see "Audio Options" in the Oppo Netflix interface, though. The Subtitles, Audio, and SAP buttons don't do anything when I'm watching Netflix. They work find for disks.
Others must have run across this, but a search of the Oppo BDP-93 thread didn't find it.

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You should post your question in the Oppo 93 thread.
Okay. Will delete this after posting there. Thanks.

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Bluray stereo downmix questions

Do all Bluray players downmix all channels from Dolby and DTS HD audio to their stereo analog RCA outputs automatically? (Opposed to just playing the discrete Left and Right channels from multichannel tracks?)
What about a stereo PCM downmix output over HDMI?

Will a TV output the exact downmix it receives over HDMI from it's optical or analog audio outputs or could it introduce it's own processing that could break a true multichannel stereo downmix it received from a Blu ray player?

If I understand correctly the LFE channel is usually discarded unlike when a receiver does the decoding and downmixing.

Any info is greatly appreciated, thanks!
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Do all Bluray players downmix all channels from Dolby and DTS HD audio to their stereo analog RCA outputs automatically? (Opposed to just playing the discrete Left and Right channels from multichannel tracks?)
What about a stereo PCM downmix output over HDMI?

Will a TV output the exact downmix it receives over HDMI from it's optical or analog audio outputs or could it introduce it's own processing that could break a true multichannel stereo downmix it received from a Blu ray player?

If I understand correctly the LFE channel is usually discarded unlike when a receiver does the decoding and downmixing.

Any info is greatly appreciated, thanks!
All my players have had a setting to turn downmix on or off.

Different TVs handle pass-thru different ways. Some pass thru only certain formats and downmix others. They do not apply other processing to their outputs (treble, bass, dynamic range, etc.) in my experience.

I don't know what happens with the LFE channel.

Generally, the fewer devices the signal passes through, the better. What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
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All my players have had a setting to turn downmix on or off.

Different TVs handle pass-thru different ways. Some pass thru only certain formats and downmix others. They do not apply other processing to their outputs (treble, bass, dynamic range, etc.) in my experience.

I don't know what happens with the LFE channel.

Generally, the fewer devices the signal passes through, the better. What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
What is a reason someone would prefer not to downmix? I'm looking at a stereo set up with a Bluray attached directly to a TV via HDMI with audio out from TV to a receiver without HDMI.

Seperate audio from Bluray not run to receiver for sake of simplicity so audio from all sources connected to the TV can connect to one input on the receiver.

This I wonder about the stereo downmix output from a Bluray player over HDMI to TV then audio out from TV. All TVs can handle stereo PCM so if a Bluray can downmix over HDMI then I'll be good if it passes through the TV audio outputs unaltered.

My question in regards to LFE with downmix surround option to be used with Pro Logic on a 5.1 system is just a curiosity.
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What is a reason someone would prefer not to downmix? I'm looking at a stereo set up with a Bluray attached directly to a TV via HDMI with audio out from TV to a receiver without HDMI.

Seperate audio from Bluray not run to receiver for sake of simplicity so audio from all sources connected to the TV can connect to one input on the receiver.

This I wonder about the stereo downmix output from a Bluray player over HDMI to TV then audio out from TV. All TVs can handle stereo PCM so if a Bluray can downmix over HDMI then I'll be good if it passes through the TV audio outputs unaltered.

My question in regards to LFE with downmix surround option to be used with Pro Logic on a 5.1 system is just a curiosity.
Since you actually want stereo, you'll be fine with that setup. I imagine most people with a 5.1 or greater system would NOT want to downmix, hence the reason the setting exists. When I was in a similar situation, I ran all audio sources directly to my receiver, not through my TV. That way I could bitstream each and get full 5.1 without resorting to Pro Logic. My TV wasn't connected to my receiver at all. I used a universal remote to simply operation.
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Since you actually want stereo, you'll be fine with that setup. I imagine most people with a 5.1 or greater system would NOT want to downmix, hence the reason the setting exists. When I was in a similar situation, I ran all audio sources directly to my receiver, not through my TV. That way I could bitstream each and get full 5.1 without resorting to Pro Logic. My TV wasn't connected to my receiver at all. I used a universal remote to simply operation.
Are the analog stereo outputs on a Bluray always downmixed despite of downmix settings or can they also just output the discrete left and right channels? This is what I was referring to when I asked why anyone might not want downmix but didn't make that clear. I'm probably not going that route and with the one I described but still wondering. Thanks the info!

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Are the analog stereo outputs on a Bluray always downmixed despite of downmix settings or can they also just output the discrete left and right channels? This is what I was referring to when I asked why anyone might not want downmix but didn't make that clear. I'm probably not going that route and with the one I described but still wondering. Thanks the info!
I don't know for sure, but the implication in my player's manual is that the downmix setting applies to all outputs.
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I don't know for sure, but the implication in my player's manual is that the downmix setting applies to all outputs.
So if you don't enable down mixing then the analog audio outputs on a Bluray are only sending the discrete left and right channels from multi channel tracks? If true then I wonder why one would prefer this versus the full down mix? Thanks again!
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So if you don't enable down mixing then the analog audio outputs on a Bluray are only sending the discrete left and right channels from multi channel tracks? If true then I wonder why one would prefer this versus the full down mix? Thanks again!
Like I said, I don't know for sure. I've never used the analog outputs on my player, and even if I did, I couldn't tell the difference between left/right only or downmix by listening. Most players these days don't have any analog outputs.
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Thanks for your responses. These questions are also directed to any forum members that have further knowledge.
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Are there any limitations as to the type of BluRay player needed (Age / Buffer capability / Software) to output Dolby Atmos to a Receiver such as the Onkyo TX-NR1030?

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Are there any limitations as to the type of BluRay player needed (Age / Buffer capability / Software) to output Dolby Atmos to a Receiver such as the Onkyo TX-NR1030?
Any current Blu-ray player model should pass Atmos with no problems, so long as you remember to turn off "secondary audio mix" in the player.

However, some older Blu-ray players don't support "Seamless Branching" very well, which results in brief, random audio dropouts. Some studios use that feature heavily on their Atmos titles. Unfortunately, brief dropouts will also be experienced if you have older HDMI cables which can't pass 4K signals very well.

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Atmos Bluray Player

Stupid question but would I be able to do Atmos with Analog outs from a new Bluray player. The same way I can get DTS-HD from the players while using an older AVR that does not support the high end audio formats?
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Atmos requires metadata to be sent over the HDMI bitstream.

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Does anyone in here use a DAC to convert the audio from digital coax of the blu-ray player to analog? What DAC do you use? Any comments on the converted sound?
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I am a nubbie and my have posted this in the wrong location so I am trying again here.


I do have a nubbie AV connection question regarding this somewhat plagued UDP-203.

I have two older receivers one in my living room and one in my home theater room, Onkyo TX-SR705 and a TX-NR905. Great AVRs in their day but lacking now. The HDMI ports are version 1.3a which does
support Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.
So to connect my 203 I was going with HDMI (main) for picture right to my Sony XBR65X850C.

The audio is where I have the question, should I use the HDMI (audio only) out and go to the AVR or take advantage of the 203's DAC and use old school RCA cables to the AVRs analog inputs? I do not know enough to know what I am gaining or losing picking HDMI VS RCA. I can tell you that I have not used anything but HDMI for the last 10 years+ and going to RCA seems stupid but it does mention it in the 203 manual. Any help appreciated.
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I am a nubbie and my have posted this in the wrong location so I am trying again here.


I do have a nubbie AV connection question regarding this somewhat plagued UDP-203.

I have two older receivers one in my living room and one in my home theater room, Onkyo TX-SR705 and a TX-NR905. Great AVRs in their day but lacking now. The HDMI ports are version 1.3a which does
support Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.
So to connect my 203 I was going with HDMI (main) for picture right to my Sony XBR65X850C.

The audio is where I have the question, should I use the HDMI (audio only) out and go to the AVR or take advantage of the 203's DAC and use old school RCA cables to the AVRs analog inputs? I do not know enough to know what I am gaining or losing picking HDMI VS RCA. I can tell you that I have not used anything but HDMI for the last 10 years+ and going to RCA seems stupid but it does mention it in the 203 manual. Any help appreciated.
Briefly: HDMI is best for movies while analog (RCA) connections are most often used for music.

Many people use both types of connections and switch back and forth between them depending on what they're listening to.

When you decide to take advantage of an Oppo's analog outputs, you are doing the equivalent of deciding to not take advantage of whatever signal processing features are provided by your receiver or pre/pro. To be explicit: room equalization and other signal processing, including bass management, are applied only in the digital domain. If you connect the Oppo's stereo analog output to one of the receiver's stereo analog inputs, that input signal has to be redigitized by the receiver so that it can be processed. (Selecting the receiver's Direct option disables that processing.) Redigitizing obviates any advantage that the Oppo's DAC circuits might provide. If you connect the Oppo's multichannel analog output to the receiver's multichannel analog inputs, that input signal cannot be redigitized by the receiver: the manufacturer would have had to provide an ADC on each of those inputs. As a result, no processing can be applied to multichannel analog signals.

Some people have high quality, full-range speakers in an acoustically treated room. In that situation, roomEQ and bass management often aren't necessary when listening to music, and analog connections can be used. Movies, however, need support for much lower bass frequencies than are contained in music. They require the use of quality subwoofers carefully positioned in the room along with appropriate bass management.
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Briefly: HDMI is best for movies while analog (RCA) connections are most often used for music.

Many people use both types of connections and switch back and forth between them depending on what they're listening to.
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If you connect the Oppo's stereo analog output to one of the receiver's stereo analog inputs, that input signal has to be redigitized by the receiver so that it can be processed. (Selecting the receiver's Direct option disables that processing.) Redigitizing obviates any advantage that the Oppo's DAC circuits might provide. If you connect the Oppo's multichannel analog output to the receiver's multichannel analog inputs, that input signal cannot be redigitized by the receiver: the manufacturer would have had to provide an ADC on each of those inputs. As a result, no processing can be applied to multichannel analog signals.

In fact my old AVM 20 does have an ADC for each of the 5.1 analog inputs. But it matters not as the quality of the sound is much better from my Oppo bdp-95's DAC. But the movie sound I get on Blu-ray in my large soft room using only the Oppo's bass management is brilliant. One thing though - if you're going to use the 7.1 analog outputs for movies or music you'll need to compensate for the -10 dB attenuation of the subwoofer output (-15 dB if you have speakers set to small), with the bdp-95 anyway. I doubt that any pre-pro does this in analog direct, but I could be wrong.
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