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post #91 of 3625 Old 10-30-2008, 09:44 PM
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The real question is who will be slower to release firmware updates to address disc playback issues.

Neither Denon nor Pioneer have historically been as on the ball with such things as Panasonic and Sony have been.

(Strange as the Sony BDP-S1 is an OEMed Pioneer itself.)

Have you owned a Pioneer? They do quite well on their FW updates.
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Have you owned a Pioneer? They do quite well on their FW updates.

Nope, haven't owned a Pioneer Blu-Ray player, just going by some of the complaints I've read in the Pioneer threads here.

Sorry to mischaracterize them.

(FWIW, I have owned multiple Pioneer LD players as well as multiple Pioneer DVD players.)
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I love Denon products but this one looks like it will priced above my means.

Plus I love how the PS3 can be updated easily via wi-fi, you know the Denon won't be as easy to update and Blu-ray seems to always need updating.

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Never say never.
Who knows, maybe the flagship Denon will have integrated wi-fi and it will update itself in a breeze, just like PS3....
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I own the Denon AVP-A1HDCI and it is incredibly easy to update via the Internet. I think there's every reason to think the new flagship player will offer similar functionality. In fact Denon just issued a new firmware update for the AVP for what could be a nasty volume ramp issue. They got the update out within 14 days of it being identified.

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Since the original poster claims this new Denon will use 32 bit D/A converters (I don't know where that info came from as its not in the interview), does anyone know what players today use 32 bit chips? I know of one- the Teac Esoteric D-05 and it uses an AKM Semiconductor AK4397 chip- one for each channel (since the chip can only do one channel). It is a dual mono unit. Could we expect to see something like this come up? Apparently that chip also has DSD support. The D-05 info can be found here:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...e,186370.shtml

http://www.teac.com/esoteric/D-05.html


And the AK 4397 chip:

http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/...97/ak4397.html

http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/new/ak4397.html


And if you think 32 bit is overkill, look here:

http://www.accusticarts.de/pages/en/dac_i_fr.html
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IIRC, the Anthem D1/D2 use that same AKM part (not a disc player, though).
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Since we don't have TRUE 24 bit converters yet[despite what manufacturers are calling them as such] claiming 32 bit is, well nothing more the "affectation" at this point.

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Probably true on the 32 bit thing. They did say the new chip doesn't sound quite as good the one they replaced. So this could be just snake oil.
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Any events between now and CES where we might get more info on this unit? I'm considering finally going BR but only if this unit loads BR discs about as fast as a standard DVD and it is Profile 2.0 /BD Live enabled. I'll be getting the AVP in a month or so when they are in stock and I'd love something that can play my SACDs. If it can play BR 3.0 audio discs it would be a plus as I'm hoping to see more of those.
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It might support 384, but I suspect it won't. I've spent an inordinate amount of time researching this, and I think for 2-channel Blue Ray music 24/192 will be the high-end standard. And, fwiw, the new Cambridge Dacmagic can't take that in, but the Benchmark and Bryston DACs can.

Note that the single company producing BR music right now says that they can't really tell a difference between 384 and 192 - they even say the difference between 192 and 96 is miniscule, but going below 96 is bad. And going full DXD does sound better than 192. He also says that PCM 24/192 is, in his opinion, better in some ways that DSD (SACD) but less good in others.

So I think PCM 24/192 is the 'new' standard. Of which there is only 1 disc available at this time.

For music, if you have an external DAC that re-clocks, then I don't think the transport matters, people have been comparing 15k transports to $300 transports with the Benchmark and can't tell the difference. The Bryston and Benchmark (and many others) both re-clock. So you don't need a 3k Blue-Ray player for the best sound. However, if you want to stick with internal DACs, and you want the universal player, then it would indeed be very worth it.
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Quite a few DVD-As had 24/192 stereo including a fair few Neil Young releases.
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This unit was on the Best Buy/Magnolia website earlier today AS "COMING SOON". Now it's gone...

It was listed as $3600ish or $3800ish() SACD etc. I should have taken a print screen for specs. So sorry. I didn't know they were going to take it down otherwise I would have taken a screen shot.

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This unit was on the Best Buy/Magnolia website earlier today AS "COMING SOON". Now it's gone...

It was listed as $3600ish or $3800ish() SACD etc. I should have taken a print screen for specs. So sorry. I didn't know they were going to take it down otherwise I would have taken a screen shot.

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Wow Rick. Pictures would of that would of been nice You didn't get it mixed up with the DVD-5910-

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1210289296553

Guess we have to wait again. Did you see a model No. listed?
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Wow Rick. Pictures would of that would of been nice You didn't get it mixed up with the DVD-5910-

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1210289296553

Guess we have to wait again. Did you see a model No. listed?

Spizz. I think that is indeed the link. My appologies. I was in a hurry and saw the ad quickly as my brother was honking the horn in the driveway..

Dang. $3700 for a non blu-ray player. Amazing.

Sorry all..
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This and the Oppo seem like the "one player to rule them all" options. Once both have been out in the retail wilderness for a few months, I'd definitely like to see comparison reports of the audio/video quality produced by both (SACD/DVD-A playback included). Can you imagine if the discernible difference was minuscule? If that were true, I'd be very tempted to consider Denon the Bose of home theater A/V equipment. All I'm sayin' is that with the likely gulf in price difference there will be between the two, the Denon better be phenomenal to the point where to try to bring in the Oppo BDP-S83 into the same discussion is nearly laughable.

Boy. What a way to kick off my first post, huh?
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Does this expected Denon uber-player have a name yet?
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I'm guessing DVD-A1BDCI
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Anyone hear anything about this from DenonJeff?
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Does this expected Denon uber-player have a name yet?
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Denon BD-A1HD, thats my guess.

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Any more news on this unit? Does Profile 3.0 Blu Ray standard which is audio only even apply to this unit coming? Also if anyone knows- what sampling frequency will it support? 384 khz? 192 khz? Any ideas if one could put a 32 bit sound file on a Blu Ray disc and have this unit play it?

And a question I'd like to know when it comes out- do you think this new unit will compare favorably with the McIntosh MCD 301 player in terms of sound? I know you can't answer that now, but Im posing this question for later. I ask because this is the only player I know that uses 32 bit D/A converters and would wonder how the sound will be using such converters. Does Blu Ray even support any digital sound files bigger then 24 bit? I wonder how the 3.0 spec will be on that one.

I haven't heard of much audio production equipment that supports bit depths greater than 24 bit or sampling rates higher than 192kHz.... there are some esoteric products, but it isn't a production standard that I see anywhere on the horizon, even with music recording.

I highly doubt you'll see any in the future, and I believe the max specs that the BR audio codecs support, including PCM, max out at 24/192... going higher would only be beneficial in the DSP signal processing and mixing realm, and even that is a debatable argument.
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I received an invitation for a marketing comparaison of all the new high end blue ray player including the new pioneer and the new denon.
It's in Tokyo on the 29 of novemeber in Ikebukuro for those who can come.
The new denon is just called DVD-X but I don't know if it's sure. It's the same collection than the SX line for the new high end CD and pre-main.

I don't have pictures yet because they will receive it just before the 29th, probably the 25th
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That would make some sense as the new A/V high end Denon line project strated at CES2004 http://uk.cinenow.com/events/20-2004/booths/827-denon

Yeah, that long ago, we find on the Denon booth a pre-pro, a power amp, a video processor and a DVD transport. Design changed alot since then, but the idea was there already !
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I received an invitation for a marketing comparaison of all the new high end blue ray player including the new pioneer and the new denon.
It's in Tokyo on the 29 of novemeber in Ikebukuro for those who can come.
The new denon is just called DVD-X but I don't know if it's sure. It's the same collection than the SX line for the new high end CD and pre-main.

I don't have pictures yet because they will receive it just before the 29th, probably the 25th

Will be intrested in seeing the pics when you get them.

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I received an invitation for a marketing comparaison of all the new high end blue ray player including the new pioneer and the new denon.
It's in Tokyo on the 29 of novemeber in Ikebukuro for those who can come.
The new denon is just called DVD-X but I don't know if it's sure. It's the same collection than the SX line for the new high end CD and pre-main.

I don't have pictures yet because they will receive it just before the 29th, probably the 25th

If you do actually get to go some things I'd love to know -

1. How long does it take to drop in a Disc before it is ready to play.
2. Does it support 2.0 with ethernet?
3. Of course, how well it displays a disc
4. Any info on denon link between it and the AVP

5. If you do actually get a chance to speak with someone are there any hardware changes in the AVP scheduled.

Thanks
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as for me, i'm also in japan, and nothing has been posted by denon on their japanese site. nippon's invitation must be to a private party because denon did have an open-to-the-public event in their tokyo and osaka showrooms on november 21, but there was no mention of a new blu-ray player.

are we being teased or fooled?
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Well there certainly keeping it a big secret

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as for me, i'm also in japan, and nothing has been posted by denon on their japanese site. nippon's invitation must be to a private party because denon did have an open-to-the-public event in their tokyo and osaka showrooms on november 21, but there was no mention of a new blu-ray player.


If you happen to be in the area you might try seeing if there is anything going on then you can tell us if there is anything to get excited about.
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as for me, i'm also in japan, and nothing has been posted by denon on their japanese site. nippon's invitation must be to a private party because denon did have an open-to-the-public event in their tokyo and osaka showrooms on november 21, but there was no mention of a new blu-ray player.

are we being teased or fooled?

AVAC was supposed to receive one this week but they changed their online flyer compared to the paper invitation I received and I have the feeling it will not be there tommorow. I will call before going there.
If anybody wants to go:
http://www.avac.co.jp/hometheater_fa...ir2008_me.html
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