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post #271 of 663 Old 10-18-2008, 04:41 AM - Thread Starter
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adidino, you rock.

It is posts like this that really make a site. There is no freaking way I would have had the patience to wade through the documentation or various links to answer the basic questions you have done for us. Thanks.

A request: given what we do/don't know about the upcoming Oppo unit (guessing Q109), could you put that in? I believe it will be complete across the board, 7.1/7.1, and 2.0. The MSRP is unknown at this point.

I think we should wait until there's an official announcement on the Oppo with specs including the official model # and msrp before we post it.

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is the chart right? the marantz 8002 does dts hd hr and dd+ over analog but the denon doesn't????

That's the information we have unless someone knows otherwise...

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You have the basic specs on the 30/35? I can add it.

Hey Tony, I own the Panny DMP-BD35. THe BD35 and BD55 are so similar they have the same manual.
Both players decode all new codecs, both are Profile 2.0, both do 7.1 via HDMI. The only difference between the two players, as far as this chart is concerned, are the analog outs and price.
DMP-BD35 has 2 ch analog out for MSRP $299
DMP-BD55 has 7.1 ch analog out for MSRP $399

Both are available now.

I might add for anyone wishing more information:
These panny players DO have frame by frame advance, a feature lacking in the newly released Sony S350/550 models.

The Panny DMP-BD55 has premium audio circuitry dedicated to the 7.1 analog out process. This premium circuitry offers no advantage over the BD35 in terms of video processing or audio output via HDMI. The BD35 and BD55 are identical in video/audio output via HDMI.
Additionally, the BD55 plays Divx discs and has shock absorbing (and cool looking) feet. The BD35 does not.

to each his own...
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Do most Blu-Ray players that can decode or bitstream, have a option in the settings if you want to decode it on board or bitstream it to a AVR?
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is the chart right? the marantz 8002 does dts hd hr and dd+ over analog but the denon doesn't????

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That's the information we have unless someone knows otherwise...

I believe they are identical in audio decoding capability but the Marantz owner's thread hasn't been as helpful as the Denon thread. It's possible the DTS-HD HR decoding may have arrived with the latest Denon 1.11 firmware but it hasn't officially posted yet and the people who have it aren't able to test it.

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How about updating the chart with the other new Sharp Blu-ray player, the BD-HP21U.
You can find all the specs in the release here.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/09/03...lu-ray-player/

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I was reading over in the pioneer thread, that the BDP-51 still does not internally decode DTS-MA, they said the FW for it hasn't been released yet and that it probably won't be this year. However the audio support chart says it already does. I was looking to buy the pioneer but only if it did, otherwise I would buy the sony or panny, Which gives?
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adidino,

Have you thought about loading the chart onto google docs, that way anybody can view the chart and you don't have to worry about alway updating the first post?

You can even give edit permission to a few trust-worthy individuals so it's not all on your shoulders in having to update the chart.

Just a thought.
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do any of the new players do "room compensation"
with my es7100 sony i can't adjust delays when using analog inputs

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do any of the new players do "room compensation"
with my es7100 sony i can't adjust delays when using analog inputs

pannys BD35/55 do.

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do any of the new players do "room compensation"

If you mean what is usually meant as room EQ, the answer is no.

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with my es7100 sony i can't adjust delays when using analog inputs

Ah. What you are asking about is whether the player can adjust delays and, probably, levels and bass management. If so, the answer is yes, the vast majority of them will do this. In fact, I have yet to come across one that does not in the half dozen or so that I have used. They may, however, vary in the flexibility of the settings.

Best bet is to decide which you want on the basis of other features/price and then read the on-line user's manual to confirm the presence of adequate speaker management.

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Both players decode all new codecs, both are Profile 2.0, both do 7.1 via HDMI. The only difference between the two players, as far as this chart is concerned, are the analog outs and price.
DMP-BD35 has 2 ch analog out for MSRP $299 DMP-BD55 has 7.1 ch analog out for MSRP $399

The Panny DMP-BD55 has premium audio circuitry dedicated to the 7.1 analog out process. Additionally, the BD55 plays Divx discs and has shock absorbing (and cool looking) feet. The BD35 does not.

Does the Panasonic sound better than the Sony!! Also does the tray close when you press play? Finally I was told by a Sony Tech Support that unless you have both a receiver and a player that can decode the new codec you will only get down converted DTS and DD when using analog is that so?
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Finally I was told by a Sony Tech Support that unless you have both a receiver and a player that can decode the new codec you will only get down converted DTS and DD when using analog is that so?

No. Assuming, of course, that your receiver has multichannel analog inputs. That's the purpose of having a Blu-ray player that decodes the new codecs and has multichannel analog outs (see, for example, the Panasonic bd55).
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Does the Panasonic sound better than the Sony!! Also does the tray close when you press play? Finally I was told by a Sony Tech Support that unless you have both a receiver and a player that can decode the new codec you will only get down converted DTS and DD when using analog is that so?

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No. Assuming, of course, that your receiver has multichannel analog inputs. That's the purpose of having a Blu-ray player that decodes the new codecs and has multichannel analog outs (see, for example, the Panasonic bd55).

True but there can also be an option to decode the HD codecs to LPCM in the player and send that by HDMI to the receiver.

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Yes, and some may prefer to use LPCM over bitstream for a number of reasons (secondary audio, some avr's can't post-process/decode concurrently).

There is a need on these players to force LPCM even to an HDMI 1.3 avr for these reasons.

The whole secondary audio issue is a bit nebulous in respect to what exactly these newer players are doing. Both the panasonic and sony players drop from 7.1 to 5.1 when mixing secondary audio. The Panny players supposedly revert back to 7.1 (for a native 7.1 source) during the movie and thus would seem to be providing the advanced codec. The Sonys remain at max 5.1 apparently and also operate at max 48khz sampling rate while mixing secondary audio.
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Kal, we need your help, there is a new HDMI 1.2a DVD player from Onkyo, the DV-SP506, we need you to check it out against the 58 and 983.

It has the same audio DACs as the 58 at a little more than half the price, the specs on paper don't look nearly as good and it is lighter but it looks intriguing because of it high sampling rate conversion of DSD to LPCM where that is desired and its ability to pass DSD through HDMI.
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True but there can also be an option to decode the HD codecs to LPCM in the player and send that by HDMI to the receiver.

Yeah, my reply assumed wse was asking about receivers with multichannel analog inputs but without HDMI audio inputs/processing (e.g., the Onkyo TX-SR505). Thanks for clarifying my reply.
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Still waiting for a store to get the Panny 55 here, then its off to the races. I've only got a Pioneer 818, no HDMI audio, so I need something with full decoding.

If I get impatient and go for a player that decodes everything but bitstreams DTS-HD MA, what happens with a disc that is in that format? Is it downgraded to DTS-HD, or does it go all the way down to the core DTS track?
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Some favorable comments about the Panny 55K audio. I'm looking to see if I can reasonably bypass my old Lexicon and live with the analog audio outputs from the Panny alone.

I have a 7.1 system in a treated room, so I'd hate to "skimp" on the audio at this point.

So Does anyone have a thought on the audiophile quality of the 7.1 analog outputs?

Thank you very much for the opinions.
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Some favorable comments about the Panny 55K audio. I'm looking to see if I can reasonably bypass my old Lexicon and live with the analog audio outputs from the Panny alone.
I have a 7.1 system in a treated room, so I'd hate to "skimp" on the audio at this point.
So Does anyone have a thought on the audiophile quality of the 7.1 analog outputs?
Thank you very much for the opinions.

You can't do any better than the panny 55K.
If you haven't already, you should read the owner's thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1&goto=newpost

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Thank you very much, Slogun. Nice of you to link that
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Some favorable comments about the Panny 55K audio. I'm looking to see if I can reasonably bypass my old Lexicon and live with the analog audio outputs from the Panny alone.

I have a 7.1 system in a treated room, so I'd hate to "skimp" on the audio at this point.

So Does anyone have a thought on the audiophile quality of the 7.1 analog outputs?

Thank you very much for the opinions.

Analog outputs should sound just as good as digital options


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In honor of the "month-iversary" since the original chart was updated, I've taken someone's suggestion and converted the chart into a GoogleDocs file.

A few words of caution:

1) I signed up for GoogleDocs today specifically to create this document. I claim zero expertise in GoogleDocs, so you're gonna get what you get right now.

2) I have purposely *NOT* extended permission to anyone else for edits right now. Ideally, I'd like someone here and/or the original poster to really take ownership of this thing.

3) The only additions I've made to the second worksheet are placeholders for the newer Panasonic players. I happen to be considering those models. I assume that these two additions have the same specs as the DMP-BD50, only varying in analog audio outputs from each other.

4) Aside from an updated list of models, I'd eventually like to add hyperlinks to manufacturer pages to the Make/Model column and Google Shopping links to the Availability column. I also realize that I have not yet included all footnotes from the original post. I may get these up monentarily.


If you want me to add/update any information, please feel free to PM me with all of the appropriate information per the column headings. I cannot promise that the updates will be timely, but we'll see!

I take absolutely no credit for the few moments I spent recreating adidino's chart. All credit goes to him and those who have helped him keep this chart accurate.

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I like this.. nice job!

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Good job!

Waiting to see updates.
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Quick sanity check.

I've tried to make the updates per the posts from the last month as well as all BR players currently listed on Amazon and Crutchfield. I only tried to fill in the fields that were clearly stated from those three sources. Therefore, I've got plenty of blank space to fill. See the third worksheet for the specific additions/changes

Please take a look and PM me any corrections.

By the way, how does this thread compare to this link?

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Quick sanity check.
By the way, how does this thread compare to this link?
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Many of us have always liked the format of this chart better.

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I think Sonystyle has the MSRP as 299.99 for the 350 and 399.99 for the 550.

Both available now.
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There's just a few MSRP changes that should be made:
Panasonic DMP-BD30: $399
Panasonic DMP-BD50: $599
Samsung BD-P1500: $299

Here's some MSRP changes that need to be made which I posted a while ago.

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Thanks for the feedback.

Please note that I'm only putting updates on the second worksheet (and noting those changes on the third). The first worksheet should only depict what adidino has in his chart from October 6th.

So, those MSRP updates will only show up on the second worksheet.

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