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The chart about Samsung BD-P2500 is wrong. And BD-P2550 features are missing. Both 2500 and 2550 are essentially the same player and feature wise are exactly the same. Although Samsung promised DTS-HD HR and MA decoding by the end of this year. It's not out yet. So both BD-P2500 and 2550 can only bitstream DTS-HD HR and MA, not 'Complete'.
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Also, the Samsung BDP1500 only decodes TrueHD to two-channel PCM output, but it will decode DTS-HD to surround output.

What a joke. I could always get a PS3 that takes 170 watts and has a buzzing fan...
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Is the BD35k capable of decoding all formats to 7.1 PCM?
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Is the BD35k capable of decoding all formats to 7.1 PCM?

Yes.

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This is a great thread--Thanks to Adidino and SUOrangeman for all your great work.

I've learned more in one thread about the subject in general than I thought possible, and the living, ongoing chart is a valuable reference.

Thanks again.

Questions to follow....

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When I click on the link I just get a Google page asking for me to sign up for an account. Can't you just post the spreadsheet on here like you used to?
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When I click on the link I just get a Google page asking for me to sign up for an account. Can't you just post the spreadsheet on here like you used to?

The first page on the thread is updated every couple of weeks or so from the data compiled on the google docs link. The first page is only about 2 weeks old.

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kitchen_space, I think you only get the sign-in prompt if you are blocking cookies from google.com. Same thing was happening to me a few days ago.

...

Anyway, thanks to all for the kind comments over the past month. Wow, it's hard to believe that a month has passed since I put up the GoogleDocs version of adidino's fine work. I hope you all realize that I did nothing more than spend 20 minutes recreating what had already been posted. (OK, maybe a few more minutes signing up for a free GoogleDocs account and getting used to its interface.)

Small confession: I officially joined the world of Blu-Ray when I jumped on the Amazon deal a few days ago. My new Panasonic BD55 should arrive Monday and a few movies will follow. Therefore, my enthusiasm for this thread may not be as strong as it was a month ago. No, I'm not going away. I'll just be shifting much of my interest into getting the best out of my new toy. Besides, I may have a better surprise for all of you!

So, how do we follow up a great month? How does a "world-editable" version of the GoogleDocs file sound?

Here it is! http://snurl.com/brpascc-editable ("snipped" URL to GoogleDocs)

That's right. You want to add the new Denon? Go for it! Wanna throw in a column for SACD support? Do it! What about price engine search links? Why not? Just take a look at a few of the changes I made ... without the need to log into Google! I only ask that you track your edits on the "Update History" worksheet.

I'll try to incorporate the edits made back into the "original" read-only GoogleDocs version (also available at http://snurl.com/brpascc-readonly ). I may let a week's worth of changes go through before updating the "read-only" version.

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Anyone know why the Panasonic DMD50 is 599 and the BMD55 is 399?

Other than having 2 less analog outs, is there any major difference?

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If you haven't seen this.. Thought you might find this an interesting chart. It includes benchmark load times for current popular bluray players.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=74197

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So cool about the editable form.
Had to search around for the Update History Worksheet, the link for it is in the botton left corner of the page.

I've wanted to make some updates for a while, but it looks like anything I knew has already been updated.

to each his own...
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Now my BDP1500 is decoding TrueHD to 5.1 PCM. I don't know if I had something set wrong or if it was the latest firmware update.
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Sony BDP-S300 info is wrong. The player decodes Dolby TrueHD, it does not stream it.
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Does anyone have any info on the new Marantz BD 7003?

How does that stack up?
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What happens in most players when you add DPLIIX to DD True HD if it's 5.1?

Do you get 7.1 in lossless, or does it compress it?

Inquiring minds want to know...

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What happens in most players when you add DPLIIX to DD True HD if it's 5.1?

I'm not familiar with any players - but I thought that adding PL IIx in the player is almost non-existent. If I'm wrong, can you tell me which players can do this?
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Do you get 7.1 in lossless, or does it compress it?

Of course it's lossless. How can it become lossy compression?

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It can become lossy compression if you compress it with a lossy compression algorithm, but, that said, I'm sorry, I asked the question poorly.

First, I meant if you process a 5.1 lossless format, whether Dolby or DTS, into 7.1, do you lose anything, or does it remain lossless.

As to whether it would be done in the player or the processor, I guess I'm asking that as well.

In short, I am still pretty clueless about the new formats, and am just trying to wrap my head around these issues.

Thank you for your patience.

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moonhawk,

I don't know whether this applies to the pricey players such as the Denon 3800BDCI, but here's what happens with the more moderately priced players.

None of them have DSPs such as PLIIx. They decode, mix, and do limited bass and time management. That's it for digital processing.

The new Panasonic BD35 & BD55 have added "amplification" of 5.1 DTS tracks to 7.1. Panasonic has not explained how "amplification" works - whether it's channel duplication or some kind of matrixing. It is not something the user can invoke or suppress. It just happens with 5.1 DTS tracks. Dolby and PCM tracks are not amplified.

If you want to fill your back speakers when listening to 5.1 sources, you pretty much have to do it with the DSPs in your receiver.
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Thanks, BIslander--that cleared a lot up for me.

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It can become lossy compression if you compress it with a lossy compression algorithm,

But once the audio is decoded from it's compressed format it is not encoded again. The encoding is done to save space and fit it on the disk.
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First, I meant if you process a 5.1 lossless format, whether Dolby or DTS, into 7.1, do you lose anything, or does it remain lossless.

Since lossless information is decoded and never encoded again, it remains as lossless information.

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The new Panasonic BD35 & BD55 have added "amplification" of 5.1 DTS tracks to 7.1. Panasonic has not explained how "amplification" works - whether it's channel duplication or some kind of matrixing. It is not something the user can invoke or suppress. It just happens with 5.1 DTS tracks. Dolby and PCM tracks are not amplified.

Is the "amplification" applied to the analog outputs and/or LPCM? I assume it's not there for bitstreaming? So does this mean you can't apply Dolby PL IIx in your receiver?

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Is the "amplification" applied to the analog outputs and/or LPCM? I assume it's not there for bitstreaming? So does this mean you can't apply Dolby PL IIx in your receiver?

It is applied to both the analog and LPCM outputs. I assume this would make it impossible to apply PLIIx in a receiver. But, I can't check that myself as my system is analog 5.1.
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But once the audio is decoded from it's compressed format it is not encoded again. The encoding is done to save space and fit it on the disk.
Since lossless information is decoded and never encoded again, it remains as lossless information.

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That makes sense...

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It is applied to both the analog and LPCM outputs. I assume this would make it impossible to apply PLIIx in a receiver. But, I can't check that myself as my system is analog 5.1.

So does the new Sony ...550 do anything like the "amplification" that the Panasonic does? Seems like quite the disadvantage for the Panasonic. I didn't see this brought up in the thread comparing the two players.

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So does the new Sony ...550 do anything like the "amplification" that the Panasonic does? Seems like quite the disadvantage for the Panasonic. I didn't see this brought up in the thread comparing the two players.

I don't think so. It seems to be unique to Panasonic. I suspect some people will like it, especially those using analog, because it fills their rear speakers that would otherwise be silent with 5.1 content. I haven't seen any complaints in the BD55/BD35 thread.
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I suspect some people will like it, especially those using analog, because it fills their rear speakers that would otherwise be silent with 5.1 content.

I guess those that can't apply Dolby PL IIx (or similar) in analog will like it, but it may annoy those that can if the "amplification" is inferior.

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Which has better thru is respective audio outputs Panasonic 30 thru the 6 channel analog or the 35 thru it optical on a reciever with both digital and analog but no HDMI input?
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Which has better thru is respective audio outputs Panasonic 30 thru the 6 channel analog or the 35 thru it optical on a reciever with both digital and analog but no HDMI input?

Hmmm...tough one, it would depend on how many movies you have/watch with uncompressed PCM tracks (which are becoming more rare these days with most studios using either Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio). If this situation is true for you, than I would use that BD30's analog outs, if not go with the BD35 and optical out, since for Dolby TrueHD you will get an associated lossy track (usually DD 5.1 640kbps) and for DTS-HD MA you will get a core DTS 5.1 1.5mbps core track.

Other than that, it would depend on the quality of your receiver's digital-to-analog converters (DACs). If your receiver's DACs are good, go with the BD35, if they suck, go with the BD30.

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Anyone know why the Panasonic DMD50 is 599 and the BMD55 is 399?

Other than having 2 less analog outs, is there any major difference?

Thanks.

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