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That's funny. The SonyStyle site has MSRP listed at $499.99 and available 10/13/2008. I've never known Crutchfield to report something that wasn't MSRP for a new item.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665368407

Even the Crutchfield site reports otherwise (10/17/2008 availability). Must be a typo in the mag:

http://www.crutchfield.com/app/produ...50&search=s550

Edit: looks like MA decoding may make it in this machine after all. The SonyStyle website said otherwise as recent as last week?


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I'll be saving this mag to see if Best Buy will price match!

That will only work if you have a brick and mortar Crutchfield in the area. Do you?

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The table is really, really out of date. Is there a site somewhere else that has up to date information? There have been a lot of units announced.
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The table is really, really out of date. Is there a site somewhere else that has up to date information? There have been a lot of units announced.

"Announced" is different from "shipped." Any number of things can change from press release to actual product. We're better off reporting features as we get them in our homes.

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That makes sense for something like the Oppo-83. But, the panny 35 and 55 should be on there. Also, it is missing a Pioneer model. etc, etc
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Sony just issued a firmware update to include BD-Live (Profile 2.0) capability for the Sony BDP-S350.

http://esupport.sony.com/perl/swu-do...99&mdl=BDPS350

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That will only work if you have a brick and mortar Crutchfield in the area. Do you?

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I have Onkyio 875 connected to a Pioneer 505 via component and the BD50 via HDMI. I get only sound and blue screen, works ok if I use component.
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I have Onkyio 875 connected to a Pioneer 505 via component and the BD50 via HDMI. I get only sound and blue screen, works ok if I use component.
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See your Onkyo 875 manual. Most, if not all, AVRs will not convert the digital HDMI video to analog component video. Is there some reason you are not using the HDMI connection to your display?

If your display (the Pioneer 505, I assume - you did not provide the complete model number) does not have a HDMI input, then you will have to use the component outputs from the BD50 for the video signal.

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Have a multi-channel Blu Ray disc from 2L called Divertimento that is audio only with all tracks with DTS-A, Dolby True HD an PCM but all recorded at 24/192. My Samsung 5000 trnasmite the 24/192 but only as two channel except the DTS-MA. Is there a BluRay player that will transmit 24/192 myltichannel for Dolbt True HD an d PCM?

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Have a multi-channel Blu Ray disc from 2L called Divertimento that is audio only with all tracks with DTS-A, Dolby True HD an PCM but all recorded at 24/192. My Samsung 5000 trnasmite the 24/192 but only as two channel except the DTS-MA. Is there a BluRay player that will transmit 24/192 myltichannel for Dolbt True HD an d PCM?

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If you have the player set to Bit-stream, it would be your AVR or Preamp that is only handling the 2 channels. If the player is bit-streaming TrueHD, DTS-MA it just sends the data off the disc over HDMI.
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I really want to purchase a stand alone BD player. Just now I have a PS3 while waiting. Is there someone out there that has real life experience with upscale players that can help me with my decision. I see Yamaha has a new one? I am not sure I am willing to pay 2K for a player though.

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I have a Yamaha DSP A1 (5.1)with coaxial digital audio inputs. I see that the 550 has one of these as an output as well. Will I be losing any audio from the 7.1 Sony or can I let the Yamaha do the processing? I also have the optical to use as well. I'm not sure about the audio tracks on the Blu Ray discs either. I just want a full 5.1 signal with DD and or DTS.
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I have a Yamaha DSP A1 (5.1)with coaxial digital audio inputs. I see that the 550 has one of these as an output as well. Will I be losing any audio from the 7.1 Sony or can I let the Yamaha do the processing? I also have the optical to use as well. I'm not sure about the audio tracks on the Blu Ray discs either. I just want a full 5.1 signal with DD and or DTS.

You can bitstream from the player to your processor over the digital coax connection. Your processor will handle the decoding. Since digital coax only supports the 5.1 legacy formats, you will be limited to DD and DTS. You won't be losing any audio. You'll get the full 5.1 mix. But, of course, you won't get the lossless tracks with a coax connection.
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Thanks BIslander,
I couldn't ask for anything more.
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I Copy-Pasted this: This week the first “No Name” Chinese player was released in Scandinavia under the name TECSONIC BHD8866.
It’s a profile 1.1 player that decodes DD/DTS HD in the player and outputs MA over HDMI."
From this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1067485&page=2
And I'm wondering if someone, somehow, can verify TECSONIC BHD8866's decoding capabilities?
I need internally decoding of HD-audio for my Yamaha Rx-v2600.

Edit: Update ... found a User manual online: http://www.netlogic.se/bhd8866.asp
It stated:
3.1 AUDIO OUTPUT CAPABILITIES
Each of the digital audio outputs are capable of different levels of functionality, as described in the table below. Actual output will depend on setup menu settings, what types of audio tracks are encoded on the disk, and, for HDMI, TV capabilities.
1) Core portion of this track will be passed to the audio receiver if the receiver has the capability to decode this format
2) Raw digital track will be passed through to the audio receiver if the receiver has the capability to decode this format, OR the track can be mixed with other disk audio (for example, director’s commentary or special effects from button pushes) and then re-encoded to multichannel DTS or stereo PCM.
3) Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD tracks can be decoded and re-encoded to multichannel DTS and stereo PCM
4) Decoded, mixed with effects and secondary channel, and converted to Analog

Me being Norwegian and somewhat slow would appreciate a translation :-)

Does it do the same as the PS3? Regarding number 3) I'm just a little confused by the re-coding to Multichannel DTS ? If it said MPCM i would be satisfied, but this I don't understand.. A Dolby True HD signal converted/re-coded into DTS or stereo? I don't want that..
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I Copy-Pasted this: This week the first No Name Chinese player was released in Scandinavia under the name TECSONIC BHD8866.
It's a profile 1.1 player that decodes DD/DTS HD in the player and outputs MA over HDMI."
From this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1067485&page=2
And I'm wondering if someone, somehow, can verify TECSONIC BHD8866's decoding capabilities?
I need internally decoding of HD-audio for my Yamaha Rx-v2600.

Edit: Update ... found a User manual online: http://www.netlogic.se/bhd8866.asp
It stated:
3.1 AUDIO OUTPUT CAPABILITIES
Each of the digital audio outputs are capable of different levels of functionality, as described in the table below. Actual output will depend on setup menu settings, what types of audio tracks are encoded on the disk, and, for HDMI, TV capabilities.
1) Core portion of this track will be passed to the audio receiver if the receiver has the capability to decode this format
2) Raw digital track will be passed through to the audio receiver if the receiver has the capability to decode this format, OR the track can be mixed with other disk audio (for example, director's commentary or special effects from button pushes) and then re-encoded to multichannel DTS or stereo PCM.
3) Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD tracks can be decoded and re-encoded to multichannel DTS and stereo PCM
4) Decoded, mixed with effects and secondary channel, and converted to Analog

Me being Norwegian and somewhat slow would appreciate a translation :-)

Does it do the same as the PS3? Regarding number 3) I'm just a little confused by the re-coding to Multichannel DTS ? If it said MPCM i would be satisfied, but this I don't understand.. A Dolby True HD signal converted/re-coded into DTS or stereo? I don't want that..

Nice find! Much of the manual and verbiage reminds me of Oppo for some reason...

The manual claims the player can decode all and transcode to 1.5Mbps DTS. This is not a bad option for those who want lossless quality but only have a legacy decoder in the receiver. At least with 1.5Mbps DTS, the transcode will get you mostly there in terms of hearing lossless!

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hmmm..
Not quite the answer I was hoping for, but thanks anyway...
The reason I bought this was because it's region free, but now I don't know if i'll keep it.

I want high-resolution sound, like I get from the PS3. But then I need a player that can decode the sound and output it as LPCM. AND be region free.. I'm not a easy man to please :-)
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The manual claims the player can decode all and transcode to 1.5Mbps DTS. This is not a bad option for those who want lossless quality but only have a legacy decoder in the receiver. At least with 1.5Mbps DTS, the transcode will get you mostly there in terms of hearing lossless!

FWIW, that is a requirement of the BD system. That is hardly a feature. It is also required to downconvert to stereo to match to a basic TV.

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Thanks BIslander,
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You could also use that player with analog output and get superior audio to the coax/optical downmix.
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FWIW, that is a requirement of the BD system. That is hardly a feature.

No, you are missing what I'm saying. You normally get 1.5 Mbps DTS "core" from MA and HR anyway, but the player will also transcode uncompressed PCM and TrueHD to 1.5 Mbps DTS as well. This is similar to what the Toshiba A2 did for HD-DVD.

A typical BD player would only output lossy DD from TrueHD and 2CH PCM from uncompressed PCM over optical/coaxial. I think most people would rather have lossy multichannel 1.5Mbps DTS.

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I was reading in another forum and came across the statement that the Denon 3800 is the only Blu-Ray player that will internally decode and output DTS-MA as 7.1 LPCM. Same statement said that all other players that internally decode DTS-MA only output the format as 5.1 LPCM.

Is this correct?
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I was reading in another forum and came across the statement that the Denon 3800 is the only Blu-Ray player that will internally decode and output DTS-MA as 7.1 LPCM. Same statement said that all other players that internally decode DTS-MA only output the format as 5.1 LPCM.

Is this correct?

No. It was until the Panasonic BD50 came out. The BD50 can do 7.1 MA via HDMI but only 5.1 over analog. PS3 is fully capable over HDMI. The Sony S550 and Panasonic BD55 are supposed to do 7.1 as well. The Pioneer 05/51 are waiting on a firmware update to unlock MA decoding.

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The BD35 does 7.1 also over HDMI.

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The BD35 does 7.1 also over HDMI.

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Yeah but it doesn't decode. We are strictly talking about lossless decoding players.

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Yeah but it doesn't decode. We are strictly talking about lossless decoding players.

Sure it does. The BD35 doesn't have 7.1 analog out - that's what the BD55 is for - but it will decode DTS-HD MA and output it as LPCM over HDMI.
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Sure it does. The BD35 doesn't have 7.1 analog out - that's what the BD55 is for - but it will decode DTS-HD MA and output it as LPCM over HDMI.

A link to a manual or professional review would definitely convince me. Right now this is all hearsay, correct? What would differentiate the BD35 from the BD55 aside from the analog outs? It's not cheap to implement MA decoding in the player. The Pioneers are struggling to implement MA decoding through firmware with current hardware and they started out at $599 MSRP. The Denon 3800 was able to do it super early because they pulled 2 DSP chips from their receiver division.

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So I added the latest chart and added what I had noted. I'm sure I'm missing some things. If I'm missing anything or you notice anything incorrect in the chart, let me know and I'll add it.


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So I added the latest chart and added what I had noted. I'm sure I'm missing some things. If I'm missing anything or you notice anything incorrect in the chart, let me know and I'll add it.

I'm not seeing the chart in the first post...?
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