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post #30001 of 30730 Old 04-27-2012, 02:33 PM
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I believe U.S. law is 7 years from when the product is discontinued.

I have also heard this "7 year law for parts" quoted many times.

As far as I know, the "7 year law" is a myth; it does not exist.

If it does exist, I would like to see and read the actual law/statute. Not trying to be contrary here, but I believe this is little more than urban legend.
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No, I was not looking for a new player nor was the dealer pushing one on me... In fact, his personal player is a Pioneer BDP-09FD. You can take the info or not... I am just a messenger.

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Firmware update 1.73 is up on the website. Who's gonna be first?:
BDP-51FD - Pioneer BonusView Blu-ray Disc Player | Pioneer Electronics USA

I put 1.73 on my 51FD last night. I couldn't play "Ides of March" - It would load, play the "Sony Pictures" bumper and then nothing. Had seen the same thing with "Drive" about a month ago; same studio. I'm guessing there is something Sony is authoring in their newer releases that this fw release addresses. I can't comment on anything thing else this fw release fixes as I only watched one movie.

Now if it could address this player's sensitivity to minor scratches and such (ECC) that would be great. I was pretty mad the other night when it froze while playing my copy of "The Incredibles". I've owned that disc since it was released and never had any playback issues until now.
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I put 1.73 on my 51FD last night. I couldn't play "Ides of March" - It would load, play the "Sony Pictures" bumper and then nothing. Had seen the same thing with "Drive" about a month ago; same studio. I'm guessing there is something Sony is authoring in their newer releases that this fw release addresses. I can't comment on anything thing else this fw release fixes as I only watched one movie.

Now if it could address this player's sensitivity to minor scratches and such (ECC) that would be great. I was pretty mad the other night when it froze while playing my copy of "The Incredibles". I've owned that disc since it was released and never had any playback issues until now.
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had no problem with drive on 1.72. Have not tried Ides of Marcn

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I'm on v1.71.

Ides of March and Drive both worked ok on v1.71.
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I should have mentioned I hadn't updated the fw since ... I think the "Avatar" fw release. Just didn't see much need to for a while. My movie watching has dropped off sharply in the last 6 or 9 months for various reasons, one of them because I was a Blockbuster subscriber. I think they severely cut back on how many Bluray copies they were stocking for through the mail rentals starting in Q3 or Q4 of 2011. I finally dropped them back in March because quite a few new releases were still in very long or long wait after 2 months of my adding them to my queue. So now I just randomly rent from Redbox.
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Anyone else getting tired of the Firmware History file always saying "Enhances stability of BD-ROM/DVD-Video playback"?

It would be nice if they were a little more specific. I'd really like to know what "problem discs" they addressed.
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Anyone else getting tired of the Firmware History file always saying "Enhances stability of BD-ROM/DVD-Video playback"?

It would be nice if they were a little more specific. I'd really like to know what "problem discs" they addressed.

1.73 fixes problems with:
Udo Lindenberg, Beautiful, Jack The Ripper, ROCKETEER, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, Aki Toyosaki - First Concert Tour "love your live" and BDAV problems when recorded by Toshiba BD recorder.

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Anyone else getting tired of the Firmware History file always saying "Enhances stability of BD-ROM/DVD-Video playback"?

It would be nice if they were a little more specific. I'd really like to know what "problem discs" they addressed.

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1.73 fixes problems with:
Udo Lindenberg, Beautiful, Jack The Ripper, ROCKETEER, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, Aki Toyosaki - First Concert Tour "love your live" and BDAV problems when recorded by Toshiba BD recorder.


Well, that about covers it!

Thank you Hkan.

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Hey guys, can anyone tell me what the differences are between the BDP-51 and the BDP-05?
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Hey guys, can anyone tell me what the differences are between the BDP-51 and the BDP-05?

Internal differences:
-05 has higher quality analog component video DAC.

Cosmetic differences:
-05 has touch capacitance controls vs. buttons on the 51
-05 has glossy black metal front plate (likely to enable touch cap.) vs. glossy black plastic front plate on the 51
-05 has gold plated rear terminals vs. standard terminals on the 51
-05 has primarily gold highlights vs. silver highlights on the 51
-05 has amber LED display vs. white LED display on the 51
-05 remote has metal buttons vs. plastic buttons on 51 - enter button feels cheap on both, however.

Non-differences:
-Both have the same analog audio DACs
-Both have identical output quality over HDMI (Audio & Video)
-Both have the Pioneer-specific PQLS jitter-elimination circuit
-Both have a general jitter-reduction circuit
-Both support the same sound formats, have the same outputs, and support the same features in software
-Both are of the same general build quality
-Both use the same firmware

(Hope I got it right as I took it from my web page: http://www.pioneerfaq.info/english/b...ion=lx71vs51fd witch I in the first place took from post 7 in this thread)

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I have the Pioneer Elite BDP 52FD Blue Ray and it seems to be creating issues with my Pioneer Elite VSX 32 AV receiver. When my Blue Ray is on, my VSX 32 does random power offs and starts back up. Any ideas why?
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Does this happens in the middle of a movie, or when you're "setting up" to watch one / at the end of one?

Are you using a universal remote (like a Harmony)?
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I have the Pioneer Elite BDP 52FD Blue Ray and it seems to be creating issues with my Pioneer Elite VSX 32 AV receiver. When my Blue Ray is on, my VSX 32 does random power offs and starts back up. Any ideas why?

The 52/53 owners thread might be more helpful.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1364703

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Hello all , I have had the bdp-51fd for a while , but I just got my speakers and decided to hook up via analog 7.1 to my reciever. But it sounds like garbage, compared to the optical. Except for perhaps a fw update has anyone else had this problem?
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Hello all , I have had the bdp-51fd for a while , but I just got my speakers and decided to hook up via analog 7.1 to my reciever. But it sounds like garbage, compared to the optical. Except for perhaps a fw update has anyone else had this problem?

It might help us diagnose what's going on if you defined "garbage" a little more. What is different, specifically, from the optical sound? This is surprising, because optical is the worst way to get audio out of the player. It's compressed. And analog is the best in most cases because of the 51's superior DAC's.
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Well the digital signal is cleaner and the decibel level is louder, compared to the analog.When I was on analog " on the reciever" I switched between pure direct & direct and it didn't sound good. But when I switched to digital dts from the reciever it sounded by far better?
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Well the digital signal is cleaner and the decibel level is louder, compared to the analog.When I was on analog " on the reciever" I switched between pure direct & direct and it didn't sound good. But when I switched to digital dts from the reciever it sounded by far better?

Try to equalize the decibel level before comparing. Louder always sounds better and cleaner, even if it isn't. Maybe you've already tried that.

Does your receiver have any way to adjust input levels? Does the Pioneer have any way to adjust its analog output levels? I forget, it's been so long since I've set mine up.
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Does the Pioneer have any way to adjust its analog output levels?

yes

and he definitely needs to level match.

it would also help to know what kind of receiver he has and what kind of input he's connecting to. It may be that he's adding an extra conversion if the input is not pure analog.

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Hi all,

Can anyone direct me to a download of the 1.70 firmware for the 05? That is the last Cinevia-free FW, and I am at 1.69a... Thanks!

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Can anyone direct me to a download of the 1.70 firmware for the 05? That is the last Cinevia-free FW, and I am at 1.69a... Thanks!

Here you go and don't forget to say thank you to Hkan:

http://www.pioneerfaq.info/english/b...tion=Firmwares

As far as I know, Cinevia has never been implemented on the BDP-51FD or the BDP-05FD. I'm running v1.71 and it's not there.
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Here you go and don't forget to say thank you to Hkan:

http://www.pioneerfaq.info/english/b...tion=Firmwares

As far as I know, Cinevia has never been implemented on the BDP-51FD or the BDP-05FD. I'm running v1.71 and it's not there.

You are probably right. I just looked at the dates of the posts I got that information from, and they are from back in 2011 (so, back then, 1.70 was the latest!) I have 1.72 burned to disc (but have not updated yet), so maybe the player is simply too "old" for Pioneer to bother...?

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You are probably right. I just looked at the dates of the posts I got that information from, and they are from back in 2011 (so, back then, 1.70 was the latest!) I have 1.72 burned to disc (but have not updated yet), so maybe the player is simply too "old" for Pioneer to bother...?

I would agree. These machines are water under the bridge.

Pioneer still has too many other problems to worry about vs spending money to write code supporting a feature that's not required to function on these machines.
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I would agree. These machines are water under the bridge.

Pioneer still has too many other problems to worry about vs spending money to write code supporting a feature that's not required to function on these machines.

Thanks, b curry!

While functionally (assuming it does work as it should... doubtful) would not be impacted in my case (not into ripping to a network server), given how finicky these machines can be (mine has not been to date, but then I don't feed it anything but mint condition, pristine discs), I would rather not aggravate it with more useless DRM nonsense. In any case, whether or not the watermark impacts lossless audio, that part cannot be helped, Cinavia infection in the player or not. And, Hkan, if you're reading this, thanks for the download...

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I would agree. These machines are water under the bridge.

Pioneer still has too many other problems to worry about vs spending money to write code supporting a feature that's not required to function on these machines.

Hi there

I don't know it's totally water under the bridge. I was thinking about upgrading mine to a Cambridge Audio 651BP but I'm not convinced I'd get a lot of extra benefit other than load speed. I don't care about web content etc. The 51 has a great picture and sound and is not bad for CD playback either...

Firmware was released April 2012 so there's still some support.


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I don't know it's totally water under the bridge. I was thinking about upgrading mine to a Cambridge Audio 651BP but I'm not convinced I'd get a lot of extra benefit other than load speed. I don't care about web content etc. The 51 has a great picture and sound and is not bad for CD playback either...

Firmware was released April 2012 so there's still some support.


Cheers,

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The BDP-05FD and 51FD are 4 year old machines now.

I'm confident Pioneer will continue to issue firmware updates to keep the machines compatible with BD-J, copy protection, etc. but there will be no new features introduced via firmware.

If you visit Pioneer support, service parts, you will find that key replacement parts like the main drive are no longer available. It's possible to find this part via third party repair shops if you're willing to pay over or around $600.00; more than most paid for the machine when new.

AS I said, IMHO, the BDP-05FD and 51FD are water under the bridge.
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AS I said, IMHO, the BDP-05FD and 51FD are water under the bridge.

I agree! When or if my 51FD begins to act up it will be ceremoniously disposed of.

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I agree! When or if my 51FD begins to act up it will be ceremoniously disposed of.

I think this is the point - when the hardware dies yes I will replace. My last Pioneer device was my first ever DVD player that I bought in 1999 - it finally gave up the ghost in 2008/9 when it was abused by the kids for a year or so...

For those who may be interested, the 1.73 firmware upgrade adds DTS-HD audio output and a couple of other things. The firmware is also for the 71 which is higher spec/cost than the 51 so maybe Pioneer are doing the right thing by 71 owners who outlaid more than I did on a 51.

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Actually DTS-HD MA support was added several revisions ago. 1.38 I believe.

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