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post #30721 of 30750 Old 05-24-2014, 01:51 PM
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My (likely incorrect) recollection is that the S/PDIF connection only officially supports up to 20/48kHz, anything beyond that is a non-standard implementation that may or may not work.
Yes, DTS 24/96 is a lossy compressed bitstream, so it's still within the bandwidth of S/PDIF, it works just like DD/DTS.

24/96 when lossy...duh...totally makes sense, and i knew that but somehow forgot...thanks for the reminder smile.gif

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I believe that support for 96/24 over S/PDIF depends on the specific equipment being used. My Denon 2900 player outputs stereo PCM at 96/24 over S/PDIF, but my Panasonic BD player does not. DTS 96/24 is a different matter since the player is just a transport sending whatever is in the DTS package for decoding and processing by a receiver.
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I believe that support for 96/24 over S/PDIF depends on the specific equipment being used. My Denon 2900 player outputs stereo PCM at 96/24 over S/PDIF, but my Panasonic BD player does not. DTS 96/24 is a different matter since the player is just a transport sending whatever is in the DTS package for decoding and processing by a receiver.

Hmm. So will Pioneer be able to internally convert full spectrum audio with no loss of density, and then output via Analogs in the case at hand?

Mostly idle curiosity.

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Probably, although it may depend on what DSPs are engaged.
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I believe that support for 96/24 over S/PDIF depends on the specific equipment being used. My Denon 2900 player outputs stereo PCM at 96/24 over S/PDIF, but my Panasonic BD player does not. DTS 96/24 is a different matter since the player is just a transport sending whatever is in the DTS package for decoding and processing by a receiver.

Thanks for the feedback Bislander. I'm starting to believe this limitation does indeed vary from player to player as opposed to having anything to do with the S/PDIF format itself. I've had no issues whatsoever with my 51FD after 6 years of ownership and swore i would hang on to it until it would just die, however i now have an additional reason (besides slow loading speed, no ethernet connectivity) to switch to Oppo. I want the ability to pass 2 channel of uncompressed PCM at 24/96 & 24/192 to my DAC. SACD & DVD-Audio playback is just icing on the cake.

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Thanks for the feedback Bislander. I'm starting to believe this limitation does indeed vary from player to player as opposed to having anything to do with the S/PDIF format itself. I've had no issues whatsoever with my 51FD after 6 years of ownership and swore i would hang on to it until it would just die, however i now have an additional reason (besides slow loading speed, no ethernet connectivity) to switch to Oppo. I want the ability to pass 2 channel of uncompressed PCM at 24/96 & 24/192 to my DAC. SACD & DVD-Audio playback is just icing on the cake.

This is precisely why I still have my old reliable Oppo DV-981HD in my setup along with my 51FD. wink.gif

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OK, seriously hoping someone can help me here.

I have a BDP-51FD connected by HDMI to a VSX-919AH.

I can not get PQLS to function no matter what I try.

Tried disconnecting all other units (including TV), numerous hard re-starts of both units.

Tried updating firmware to latest versions on both units. (1.74 on BDP and StM 1056 for the AVR)

I have checked all Kuro settings on both units and verified the sound fields are appropriate for 2 channel PQLS playback.

At wits end, any and all suggestions appreciated.

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Anyone have trouble playing LOTR Extended Edition? I can play other Blu-Ray titles, just not this one. The disks are brand new.

I am at FW 1.74.
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Update: Got another CAN'T PLAY on a different disk. Blew the player out with clean compressed air and it seems to be ok now.
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Anyone have trouble playing LOTR Extended Edition? I can play other Blu-Ray titles, just not this one. The disks are brand new.

I am at FW 1.74.
I have all three extended editions and have watched them several times on my 51FD, never had a single issue.

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I was watching Alantis and not far into the movie the player locks onto the video. near the end of the movie it pauses. I have to unplug it to turn it off and brefily it works normal/.

I have never had this problem with the BDP51FD before. Does it sound like the disc is bad or is the player dying?
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I was watching Alantis and not far into the movie the player locks onto the video. near the end of the movie it pauses. I have to unplug it to turn it off and brefily it works normal/.

I have never had this problem with the BDP51FD before. Does it sound like the disc is bad or is the player dying?
Sounds like the disc, would not play through otherwise. Make sure there is no dust on the disc, blow it off with compressed air from about a foot away. Similarly as an earlier poster has done it might help to blow out the drive with compressed air. In both cases make sure the can has not been shaken and blow a short burst away from the disc/tray aperture to get rid of any residue. With blowing out the drive I find it best to fit the tube nozzle and with the tray open insert the nozzle through the tray aperture from underneath, this will make sure only a burst of air goes in and not liquid. Hope this helps
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I've got a BDP-05FD that was picked up cheap. It was a 50/50 chance if it would play a disc or not.

I did not remove the drive to do this.

I simply opened it up and cleaned the lens with a qtip and 91% isopropyl alcohol, I really didn't have much to lose. Wet one end of the qtip and wiped then dried it with the other. Had to remove the label and black cover on the drive, they stuck right back no problem, then the little white wheel lifted right out. I also had to pick up a remote just to get it going, got one for another model (VXX3316) and it worked fine.

So far it has played every disc I've put in. Fingers crossed.
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Good luck, the BDP-05FD is a great machine with the best of both worlds. It has great video and audio!!!

I love my BDP-05FD.
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Actually this is my first blu ray, it's been on a shelf for at least a year after I found it. Finally my rear projector went out and I picked up an old lcd then remembered the Pioneer and decided to pull it out and have a look.

Someone had it updated to 1.72, I'm kind of leary to load the 1.74 firmware with it working now.
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Someone had it updated to 1.72, I'm kind of leary to load the 1.74 firmware with it working now.
Upgrade only if something won't play because of the security software. Otherwise I leave it alone.
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I'll take your advise, don't fix what ain't broke.

I spent hours trying everything suggested, even used the air compressor through the front slot. It played three complete movies last night, so I'll leave it be.
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I'll take your advise, don't fix what ain't broke.

I spent hours trying everything suggested, even used the air compressor through the front slot. It played three complete movies last night, so I'll leave it be.
You scored a real find for $20! It may as well have been free. Enjoy!
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Upgrade only if something won't play because of the security software. Otherwise I leave it alone.
That is my motto also with BD players!
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Yeah, couldn't not take a chance for a twenty.

Quick odd question. Is there a way to dim that home screen Pioneer logo ?
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Yeah, couldn't not take a chance for a twenty.

Quick odd question. Is there a way to dim that home screen Pioneer logo ?
Not that I've found. Annoying, ain't it?
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Annoying is right, it stays ghosted on the screen a while after the movie starts.
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Any of you guys know if a new Pioneer Elite BR player is coming out soon?
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I've got a BDP-05FD that was picked up cheap. It was a 50/50 chance if it would play a disc or not. I simply opened it up and cleaned the lense with a qtip and 91% isopropyl alcohol, I really didn't have much to lose. Wet one end of the qtip and wiped then dried it with the other. Had to remove the lable and black cover on the drive, they stuck right back no problem, then the little white wheel lifted right out. I also had to pick up a remote just to get it going, got one for another model (VXX3316) and it worked fine.

So far it has played every disc I've put in. Fingers crossed.
You done well, really well. I take your point you had little to lose but there is a tendency for bits to fall out of the drive if you open up the wrong way, not too bad to work out how they go back if you are a bit tech savvy but if it is the only prized player you have it can be a bit worrying till you sort it out..

It is at the end of the day, barring laser failure which I had for CD, the only sure way of recovering poor read performance and the method has been posted several times before. Not for the faint hearted who don't know which end of a screwdriver to use but not overly difficult if you are careful noting where each bit goes.

@Xtempo if your problem turned out not to be the disc and the use of compressed air did not help then that, if you are up for it, it should resolve your problem too. I and others have posted extracts from the tech manual on how to do this if BeatnikV pics don't provide enough information. Do a search on my posts for cleaning laser lens should bring up the post I will do a quick search and post the link here if I can find it reasonably quickly (got people to do and things to see urgently today but will try)

OK I have not found my post, too far back maybe but I have found a post with the details for laser lens cleaning here Official Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD & BDP-51FD Owners Thread / Vs 1.32 DTS-HD MA

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You know, I was looking at it thinking "the lense has to be right there, how do I get to it ?". I pushed on the black cover and it felt like it was open underneath. I didn't remove the drive at all, just pulled the label, black cover and that white disc and there it was. This was a very simple fix.
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You know, I was looking at it thinking "the lense has to be right there, how do I get to it ?". I pushed on the black cover and it felt like it was open underneath. I didn't remove the drive at all, just pulled the label, black cover and that white disc and there it was. This was a very simple fix.
you know I looked at your pics after I posted and thought to myself, well thats a lot easier than what I did following the instructions in the tech manual, I pulled out the whole drive and did it. I guess I must have had a brain storm about not pulling off the label or something, or just lack of using my brain and eyes.

Yours is by far the best method and no bits fall out either. For others wanting to clean the lens this is a good way even for those who are not confident in their technical skills
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Luckily the label just peeled back and stuck right back on when I was done. Same with the black cover.

On mine the white piece just sits there in the opening, it lifts right out no problem, the black cover is what keeps it from falling out. I ran a disc with the black cover off and could see the white piece spin, so I knew the disc itself was likely turning.

I edited that first post.

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Experts,

Where are the Pioneer Authorized Repair location(s) ?
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