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I tried the link- not very helpful. I typed in a few zipcodes and nothing...?
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Did you register on the second screen?

If it's not a BIG screen, it's not a theater...
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Would you guys say that Source Direct is the best setting for this player if all you're playing are Blu-Ray discs on a 1080p/24 display?


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You should check out post #7
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There is no difference between auto and source direct on my display. Switching between both options doesn't do anything.


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If your display properly supports 1080p24 (ie it doesn't have to be forced into 24fps mode), then for Blu-ray there's no difference. Source Direct is really only different for DVDs and lower than 1080p resolution content. It will switch the output resolution and timing to match the source, so (for example) DVDs are output at 480i. Handy if you've got a good video processor (either standalone, like a Lumagen, or built into your display).

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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If your display properly supports 1080p24 (ie it doesn't have to be forced into 24fps mode), then for Blu-ray there's no difference. Source Direct is really only different for DVDs and lower than 1080p resolution content. It will switch the output resolution and timing to match the source, so (for example) DVDs are output at 480i. Handy if you've got a good video processor (either standalone, like a Lumagen, or built into your display).
Since I never watch DVD's, I will leave the player in Source Direct.


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BDP-05FD and problems with X-men: Days of Future Past

X-men: Days of Future Past. Just tried it on my BDP-05FD (firmware vs 1.72) and it never gets past the 20th Century Fox fanfare. Completes the fanfare then goes to black screen with BD-ROM BDMV displayed on the the player. Tried to update the firmware but got a WRT failure message, despite repeated attempts. Very frustrated and disappointed kids! Has anyone discovered a workaround to get to the menu on this disc?
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X-men: Days of Future Past. Just tried it on my BDP-05FD (firmware vs 1.72) and it never gets past the 20th Century Fox fanfare. Completes the fanfare then goes to black screen with BD-ROM BDMV displayed on the the player. Tried to update the firmware but got a WRT failure message, despite repeated attempts. Very frustrated and disappointed kids! Has anyone discovered a workaround to get to the menu on this disc?
My BDP-51FD had no issue playing Days of Future Past. Have you tried using a lens cleaner on your player? My player would not load certain discs and after cleaning the lens, it has played every single disc I've thrown at it.


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X-men: Days of Future Past. Just tried it on my BDP-05FD (firmware vs 1.72) and it never gets past the 20th Century Fox fanfare. Completes the fanfare then goes to black screen with BD-ROM BDMV displayed on the the player. Tried to update the firmware but got a WRT failure message, despite repeated attempts. Very frustrated and disappointed kids! Has anyone discovered a workaround to get to the menu on this disc?
I had the exact same problem on my 51FD with a couple of FOX discs and got around it by hitting NEXT as soon as the Fox splash screen appears.
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Tried the "Next" trick a couple of times. I know this has worked on other Fox discs in the past, but didn't work this time.
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You might try this. No promises and not responsible etc.

Official Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD & BDP-51FD Owners Thread / Vs 1.32 DTS-HD MA
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You might try this. No promises and not responsible etc.

Official Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD & BDP-51FD Owners Thread / Vs 1.32 DTS-HD MA
Agreed, you can try this but I don't think it's the solution. I believe there is something in the authering of 20th Century Fox Blu-rays that trip up the Pioneer machines.

My BDP-05FD works fine on every disc except certain Fox titles. I've tried cleaning the drive and the results are the same. Anecdotally, I've seen the same problem reported elsewhere and on occasion from machines other than Pioneer with certain or the same Fox titles. I believe there is something in the branching scheme used by Fox that is difficult to track correctly for these machines. This is what perhaps makes the "next" trick work sometimes.

My solution was to put the BDP-05FD back in its box and replace it with an Oppo BDP-103; voilà no more problems with Fox titles.
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Unfortunately, with twins starting college in about a year, putting several hundred dollars (or more) into a new top-tier blu-ray player is not on the horizon. The best solution for me is to avoid Fox blu-ray discs altogether and purchase the titles on dvd.
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or buy a cheap Sony player (Costco sells them under $100)... You get faster loading, streaming capability... Just use the Pio for audio playback...

If it's not a BIG screen, it's not a theater...
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or buy a cheap Sony player (Costco sells them under $100)... You get faster loading, streaming capability... Just use the Pio for audio playback...
Fortunately mine is still doing fine... even of Fox titles. Because I want great audio with my BD experience. It's not an "either/or" thing for me. I think when mine dies I need to get an Oppo or a receiver with really nice DAC's... time to upgrade that old Onkyo anyway.
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Unfortunately, with twins starting college in about a year, putting several hundred dollars (or more) into a new top-tier blu-ray player is not on the horizon. The best solution for me is to avoid Fox blu-ray discs altogether and purchase the titles on dvd.
Really no need to do that. As Jon S has pointed out, for the cost of 2-3 or less Blu-ray movies you can buy a new Sony Blu-ray player that will easily equal or better the Pioneer BDP-05/51/09FD, especially if you bitstream. I picked a Sony up at Costco for $65 to use in the bedroom and it more or less blows the doors off my old BDP-05FD, it's just not a pretty.

Blu-ray is mature technology at this point and the super dupper machines of the past have few if any advantages at this point in time.
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Really no need to do that. As Jon S has pointed out, for the cost of 2-3 or less Blu-ray movies you can buy a new Sony Blu-ray player that will easily equal or better the Pioneer BDP-05/51/09FD, especially if you bitstream. I picked a Sony up at Costco for $65 to use in the bedroom and it more or less blows the doors off my old BDP-05FD, it's just not a pretty.

Blu-ray is mature technology at this point and the super dupper machines of the past have few if any advantages at this point in time.
It's all about the audio with these old machines! The whole point of these old Pioneers were the DACs. They were the best CD players for under $1,000, let alone BD players. So if you don't care about audio, or have really nice DACs in your receiver, then by all means, go cheap. I hang onto mine because I have a run-of-the-mill old Onkyo receiver. But when I upgrade my receiver I may "go cheap" myself.
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It's all about the audio with these old machines! The whole point of these old Pioneers were the DACs. They were the best CD players for under $1,000, let alone BD players. So if you don't care about audio, or have really nice DACs in your receiver, then by all means, go cheap. I hang onto mine because I have a run-of-the-mill old Onkyo receiver. But when I upgrade my receiver I may "go cheap" myself.
Sure, but in that context I would give the under $1K crown for audio to the BDP-05/51FD. Especially when Best Buy was clearing the 51's out for under $150.00 a few months after they were released. All three have the same audio section with the exception of the 09 having the same DAC's in duel vs single ended configuration offering the inaudible difference of a very small increase in signal-to-noise ratio.

Again if you bitstream to take advantage of bass management/room correction capabilities of your pre-pro/receiver, it's all a moot point.
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Agreed, you can try this but I don't think it's the solution. I believe there is something in the authering of 20th Century Fox Blu-rays that trip up the Pioneer machines.

My BDP-05FD works fine on every disc except certain Fox titles. I've tried cleaning the drive and the results are the same. Anecdotally, I've seen the same problem reported elsewhere and on occasion from machines other than Pioneer with certain or the same Fox titles. I believe there is something in the branching scheme used by Fox that is difficult to track correctly for these machines. This is what perhaps makes the "next" trick work sometimes.

My solution was to put the BDP-05FD back in its box and replace it with an Oppo BDP-103; voilà no more problems with Fox titles.
Your ultimate solution that worked for you was more the result of going from a profile 1.1 BDP to a profile 2.0 BDP, and less going from Pioneer to Oppo.

And by less I mean none at all.
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Your ultimate solution that worked for you was more the result of going from a profile 1.1 BDP to a profile 2.0 BDP, and less going from Pioneer to Oppo.

And by less I mean none at all.
Yes, no doubt BD-live has something to do with it; back to the branching scheme used. It's just curious that it's FOX titles only being a problem.
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I've got a BDP-05FD that was picked up cheap. It was a 50/50 chance if it would play a disc or not.

I did not remove the drive to do this.

I simply opened it up and cleaned the lens with a qtip and 91% isopropyl alcohol, I really didn't have much to lose. Wet one end of the qtip and wiped then dried it with the other. Had to remove the label and black cover on the drive, they stuck right back no problem, then the little white wheel lifted right out. I also had to pick up a remote just to get it going, got one for another model (VXX3316) and it worked fine.

So far it has played every disc I've put in. Fingers crossed.
I am having issues again with my 51FD. It's not playing anything American! I'm presently at work and not near my PIO, what label are you referring to. I've cleaned this machine the techincal way once, would prefer to use your shortcut for a second time.

I also, only have $20.00 invested and it has played for two years or more until now. . My system is not audiophile quality so a cheaper player is not impossible, but not ready to give up on the PIO just yet.

Thanks!


P.S. It's still on rev. 1.72 or 1.73, is there any chance going to 1.74 might help?
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I am having issues again with my 51FD. It's not playing anything American! I'm presently at work and not near my PIO, what label are you referring to. I've cleaned this machine the techincal way once, would prefer to use your shortcut for a second time.

I also, only have $20.00 invested and it has played for two years or more until now. . My system is not audiophile quality so a cheaper player is not impossible, but not ready to give up on the PIO just yet.

Thanks!


P.S. It's still on rev. 1.72 or 1.73, is there any chance going to 1.74 might help?
Not sure what you mean by not playing anything American...

Just wanted to note that the Pioneer drive in the player is not noted for their reliability. Failure is common...

If it's not a BIG screen, it's not a theater...
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I just snatched these pictures off the web. Its the big white label with the yellow square and the black round cover you can see underneath it.



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Not sure what you mean by not playing anything American...

Just wanted to note that the Pioneer drive in the player is not noted for their reliability. Failure is common...
It's playing BBC Blue Ray, but not Disney, Universal, MGM, etc..
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I just snatched these pictures off the web. Its the big white label with the yellow square and the black round cover you can see underneath it.



Thanks, that helps, have been into the machine so I recognize this.
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It's playing BBC Blue Ray, but not Disney, Universal, MGM, etc..
Look for a BR disc that is all region. See if that works. Are the BBC disks region B? It sounds like the region setting got changed somehow. Was this player ever serviced or worked on?

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Look for a BR disc that is all region. See if that works. Are the BBC disks region B? It sounds like the region setting got changed somehow. Was this player ever serviced or worked on?
Yes, it does sound like a region code problem.

There is a hack for DVD regions for these machines but not for Blu-ray.
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How do you change the region setting or, for that matter, how do I know if a BR is all region?
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How do you change the region setting or, for that matter, how do I know if a BR is all region?
There is a hack for DVD region change that can be found very easy if you Google. It requires a service remote or can also be done by programing some universal remotes.

That said there is no known hack or way to reprogram the Blu-ray region settings for the BDP 05/51FD. It's assumed that it's a combination of hardware/firmware in these machines. Anecdotally and through practical experiance the machines will accept the European firmware and work ok but will remain region A machines. So one might assume that it's not a firmware only thing.

As for Blu-ray region designation, blu-ray.com and regionfreemovies.com are a good place to look up a movies region code. Most (but not all) Paramount titles are region free. You can also just look on the disc box for a region code.

You might try re-flashing your firmware or load v1.74, can't hurt at this point. Otherwise, ship it off to Pioneer, find a local service center, or trash it and pick up something else.
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