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post #30811 of 30826 Old 01-20-2015, 10:39 AM
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Thanks Rick for the interesting and informative feedback. Maybe I will stick to Denon- I was quite happy with the quality of the 1909 considering how much I paid- only complaint was the user manual- an absolute nightmare to navigate. Doesn't bother me too much tho as once I have my receiver/spks calibrated and set up I usually just leave it at that. I will keep an close eye on 4K developments thru 2015. Exciting times for home theater enthusiasts!
+1 Lot of options though to really enhance the enjoyment, Denon have really taken Audyssey to heart and in their current models it turns a good AVR into something really quite special for both music and films, check out some of the reviews.
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You also might want to consider how often a manufacturer provides BD-Java updates for your players... Pioneer is notorious in posting updates far later than other brands. There is nothing more frustrating than buying a movie and waiting for a few months before an update is released to play it...
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You also might want to consider how often a manufacturer provides BD-Java updates for your players... Pioneer is notorious in posting updates far later than other brands. There is nothing more frustrating than buying a movie and waiting for a few months before an update is released to play it...
Luckily I have several bluray players so never a problem.
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Luckily I have several bluray players so never a problem.
I must have had some sort of intuition, or a bang on the heed when I said hold off on your BD player, I take it you got the AVS news email if you didn't the first article which can be seen here is for you Ultra HD Blu-ray Spec at CES 2015
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I must have had some sort of intuition, or a bang on the heed when I said hold off on your BD player, I take it you got the AVS news email if you didn't the first article which can be seen here is for you Ultra HD Blu-ray Spec at CES 2015
I actually read about the new upcoming 4K players and physical media on another forum covering CES and cannot wait...I just hope these new players don't cost an arm and a leg!
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Ok i barely use my BDP-51FD but today we received our wedding video which happened to be on blu-ray. This is what happens any help solving the issue would be appreciated
1. Disc inserted and disc home screen appears
2. When I select the first option which is the trailer both A/V work
3. When going back to home screen and selecting either the entire movie or certain chapters this is what's appears- two red lights on both sides of the front display, and 0000000, and no A/V
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contact the company who made it and ask what video format the disc was made with... Videos have different formats, AVI, MP4, MPEG or MKV... The Pioneer may not be able to play back some formats.

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So i had a very interesting episode a few days ago.

About a year ago i purchased an Oppo 103 wanting to take advantage of USB inputs (to attach an external hard drive with all my multimedia), Wifi connectivity, Pandora, faster loading speeds, etc.
Soundwise I just 'assumed' the analog outputs of the Oppo would be more or less comparable to the 51FD and swapped out the 51FD in favor of the Oppo in my main system, packed the 51FD and put it in storage.

Ever since I always wondered if the Oppo DACs were really better (or at least as good as the 51FD), so a few days ago my curiosity got the best of me and proceeded to hook up the 51FD back in my main system to compare.
I burned 2 identical CDs and synched both players. All i had to do was switch inputs on my preamp for direct A/B comparisons on the fly.

I was surprised at how much better my 7 year old Pioneer 51FD sounded in comparison to the Oppo. The improvement was immediately noticeable. More air and bloom in the midrange, more 3D as well as increased clarity.

So...the 51FD is back in my main system and the Oppo now serves as a multimedia server/streamer.

Who would've thought?

This test truly convinced me i am in possession of a classic Blu-ray player!

And to think i couldn't even get $75 for it after putting it on sale for 6 months on US Audio Mart...i'm REALLY glad i had no offers

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vlach, the Oppo 105 is the best for analog audio, not the 103. I went from the 51FD to the 105, and never looked back (the 51 was way too finicky with discs, due to very poor error correction, and although it's a pretty good analog audio player, it's not as good as the 105, IMO).
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Yes, I'm well aware the 105 is better than the 103 (at twice the price) but that's besides the point because I don't have the 105.
My post above relates to the 103 in comparison to the 51 and from a SQ point of view I didn't expect the 51FD to sound better than the 103 so that was a nice surprise.

In fact, knowing the 105 is better than the 51 made me assume the 103 would more on a similar level to the 51 sonically. It is not. The 51 is noticeably better.

I have never experienced any kind of problem with my 51, maybe I got lucky with the earlier drive units made in Japan

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Yes, I'm well aware the 105 is better than the 103

Do you have to use an analog output to realize the differences? Or are you talking about the output via the HDMI cable?

Movies must be OAR, sports and movies must also have 5.1 audio, No EE or NO SALE!
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It's been a very long while since the last update of 1.74 (summer of 13?) Have there not been much changes in the new Blu-ray pressings (copywrite etc) to warrant a new update? Have there not been any issues with newer or older titles on Blu-ray? I haven't noticed a problem with my player, however I really don't buy a lot of the newest Blu-rays.

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Do you have to use an analog output to realize the differences? Or are you talking about the output via the HDMI cable?
Analog output.

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Do you have to use an analog output to realize the differences? Or are you talking about the output via the HDMI cable?
The Oppo 103 and 105 will sound the same if you output digital audio. PQ will also look the same with both units. The 105 is better than the 103 simply for analog audio (assuming you have decent other equipment, such as speakers, to be able to hear the difference). Plus it has other features not present on the 103, such as headphone output.
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Ok so got married and our videographer gives us two copies of our wedding DVD on blu-Ray, I have the bdp-51fd, i put them in and right away they play the trailer, no biggie or I can press the menu and I'll get three choices 1.play trailer, 2. play entire wedding video, or 3. Enter subchapters... Now 1 works trailer plays when selected, 2 does not it blacks the TV screen out and freezes to the point where I have to actually unplug the blu-ray player and restart it, 3 lets me enter the subchapters lists but once selecting a subchapter same thing that happens if selecting option 2 happens,so I go out and buy the cheapest blu-ray player I can find and the wedding blu-Rays work perfectly on that one, take in mind I have the latest firmware on the bdp-51fd, anyone know if this can be solved???

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Ok so got married and our videographer gives us two copies of our wedding DVD on blu-Ray, I have the bdp-51fd, i put them in and right away they play the trailer, no biggie or I can press the menu and I'll get three choices 1.play trailer, 2. play entire wedding video, or 3. Enter subchapters... Now 1 works trailer plays when selected, 2 does not it blacks the TV screen out and freezes to the point where I have to actually unplug the blu-ray player and restart it, 3 lets me enter the subchapters lists but once selecting a subchapter same thing that happens if selecting option 2 happens,so I go out and buy the cheapest blu-ray player I can find and the wedding blu-Rays work perfectly on that one, take in mind I have the latest firmware on the bdp-51fd, anyone know if this can be solved???
Sadly, I think you've answered your own question:

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... I go out and buy the cheapest blu-ray player I can find and the wedding blu-Rays work perfectly ...
It's possible it's something in the code that's in the authoring software your videographer is using that the Pioneer is not able to execute. BD-J or Java is used to implement interactive menus on Blu-ray Discs and it's more or less an open system.

It's a shame, and not what you want to hear, but what you've got is a second generation, 7 year old machine. Blu-ray players are basically dedicated PC's and this Pioneer's hardware and operating system are getting old.
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