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If you've the chance to route 2ch analog out into your amplifier, check out a favorite music track as pure direct. The benefits of the DACs in the Pio should shine. Almost legendary sound via analog audio according to owners on the board.

Only feed it clean media, and I hope that it'll keep providing you excellence for years to come. You'll find some great help here from the years of posts by many knowledgeable and kind folk.

Enjoy.

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Thanks. I've read about the DACs but haven't gotten around to listening to the analog output yet. I'll do that soon. Only one Blu-ray has stalled and it was a Redbox rental that I should have cleaned.
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Thanks. I've read about the DACs but haven't gotten around to listening to the analog output yet. I'll do that soon. Only one Blu-ray has stalled and it was a Redbox rental that I should have cleaned.
phil.butler,

Hey, you've got the Elite! I didn't see that at first.

Nice unit. Contributor Rick R on this forum ran that set-up analog audio and VIDEO. Look for his posts, as I think that he was one who wrung everything available out of his Pio and enjoyed it for years before moving on to OPPO. Be sure you find the pure (i.e. analog direct (unprocessed, without A-D conversion) to the amplifiers) inputs for your Pioneer DACs into your receiver. You will like.

If you've a fondly remembered title on DVD, give this player a spin. You've probably never seen your flick looking this good.

When you've time, go back to the beginning (1000 plus pages !!!) and start searching and reading a bit back and forth to get a flavor of the user experiences with this. Agony and ecstasy. Particular attention can be paid to the different re-sets and clearing of differing memories. But always, first and foremost, dig into to crunchies of cleaning your media and your machine. At some points, it'll get into surgical detail with pictures (aka "Tech-porn") of how to revive a unit failing because of contamination issues.
Stray dust mites can cause grief, never mind the peanut-butter fingers of the average rental customer!

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Is there any hope for a firmware update at this point?
I just received the new Frankenstein Complete Legacy Collection. The discs with more than one flick per disc won't go past the menu where you select which one to watch. The Son of Frankenstein/Ghost of Frankenstein is an example. I tried using MakeMkv and it presently can't decrypt these discs either. I had hoped to watch the mkv file with my WDTV.

Edit: I checked and found the latest version of MakeMkv and it seems to be tackling the job.

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PIONEER BDP-05FD; MALFUNCTION/Firmware Reinstallation...

so, i've been watching my recently purchased STAR TREK; THE NEXT GENERATION complete series set on this player, second disc in.
second episode to the last on that disc, we quit for the night. a couple/three days later, we resume,
to find that suddenly there is, -wait for it- NO AUDIO!!

i check everything, try switching discs, no audio on FINAL FANTASY ADVENT CHILDREN,
and i begin to figure something electronic just gave out in the player.

i try both ANT-MAN and ZOOTOPIA, DISNEY releases both, and BOTH throe up the same identical INCORRECT REGION banner
straight after the initial Disneyland castle loading screen, and i figure, perhaps this is a software issue, like a PC or something?

so i go and download and burn another CD-R of PIONEER's firmware, reinstall it to the player, and... VIOLA!
Perfectly Functional BDP-05FD once again.

so, an urgent piece of advice to any PIONEER BDP-05FD owner with an iffy/malfunctioning player;
try reloading the most recent Firmware; it might just wind up fixing your player...




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Just to clarify; i DID IN FACT update my player's Firmware to most recent/final update 2013
as soon as i received the unit from the EBAY seller late-2015/early-2016.

from thence forward it DID IN FACT operate FLAWLESSLY right up until just the other day when the events described above took place...

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Tasuke,

That was a really good save! What at first might have been "unrelated" behaviors in your rig actually helped to open an opportunity to stir things up in a likely area. I hadn't seen much of that (re-install current FW) recommended earlier in this, or other threads. Just recently I have seen that exact advice on newer models of three brands of mid- to upper-level AVRs.

Good catch, and I hope that you discover a path to resume using your fine player.
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btw, if you left the disc in the night before, and powered-up with a disc in the tray to resume watching the next day, you are much braver than I. Or, did I misunderstand?


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yes, my habits are to leave the current disc in the player whenever i'm dealing with a continual series. never been a problem for me, Yet, at least.

just to clarify, re-installation, DID INDEED SOLVE my problem, restoring the player to full operation.
i've watched two more episodes so far, with no faults whatsoever.

hopefully, anyone stumbling onto these posts with an iffy/malfunctioning BDP-05FD can fix their player
by replicating what i've done with mine. Good Luck to everyone in such a position...
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yes, my habits are to leave the current disc in the player whenever i'm dealing with a continual series. never been a problem for me, Yet, at least.

just to clarify, re-installation, DID INDEED SOLVE my problem, restoring the player to full operation.
i've watched two more episodes so far, with no faults whatsoever.

hopefully, anyone stumbling onto these posts with an iffy/malfunctioning BDP-05FD can fix their player
by replicating what i've done with mine. Good Luck to everyone in such a position...

Glad to hear no issues. Always good news.
Regards powering up with a disc in unit, I know that start-up time seemed to me to be really excessive when I inadvertently left a Blu-ray in when shutting down at night. I dimly recall this behavior having been a discussion a couple of times here but probably not escalating to an "issue".

Watched a newer Blu-ray last night on the BD-51 without any grief. I had forgotten how nice it can look. 2015's "Where to Invade Next?", played w/o a hitch. Not a home theater movie, but looked real good on a Sony display in the family-rm set up. The spouse just got back from Europe and loved some of the movie's scenery.

We had just gotten a new Yamaha (581) to replace the problematic old AVR, and I am convinced that the Yamaha is passing a cleaner video than we got before. Or, I've been watching too much Netflix. Or, I just liked the movie.

As has been pointed out by a few, eventually the kludgie Blu-ray standard will have drifted so far from the 2007/08's implementation, that this Pioneer unit will be unable to handle the "new releases". But, until the -51FD proves unable (years from now I hope!), I will continue to enjoy what it does well.

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Tasuke said: [ ... hopefully, anyone stumbling onto these posts with an iffy/malfunctioning BDP-05FD can fix their player
by replicating what i've done with mine. Good Luck to everyone in such a position... ]


Tasuke,

You are so right. And, you are very much helping to carry on in the spirit of "having fun and helping out" that has made this a nice place for the last 7 years.

Thank you. Best to all.

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I guess I have a bricked player. I see some discussion of re-flashing the ROM. Is there any info on how to go about that procedure? I can solder and program I just need some details...

timrh23,

Pretty close description and solved some years ago at : post #30288 of 30969 Old 01-28-2013, 03:56 AM

I hope that this might be helpful.

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Blu-Ray lock-up

Well, found a recent movie that I can't get to play. grrr.

Specter, the most current Bond 007 flick wouldn't play no matter what trick I used. Got to the 20th Century Fanfare and then NADA. I cleared all memories, but no go. I tried all of the "top-menu/Next Section/FastForward/Skip/pause-frame-advance/etc. etc.____ no joy. I just couldn't fool the damn thing into playing the movie. So I did the next reasonable thing and moved the disc to another room properly equipped with an OPPO. All is fine.

Okay movie, but no-one seemed to be "on fire" to make it more than a formulaic rehash. I expected better.

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Star Trek: Beyond played in my 05FD the other night.
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If you've a fondly remembered title on DVD, give this player a spin. You've probably never seen your flick looking this good.
Have you had the chance to compare the DVD upscaling of the BDP-51FD to one of the Oppo bluray players and which did you prefer? I have the BDP-51FD and BDP-320 and both used to be my players of choice for DVD playback. I've always been curious if one of the Oppos would be significantly better for DVD playback, but haven't made the jump yet.
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Have you had the chance to compare the DVD upscaling of the BDP-51FD to one of the Oppo bluray players and which did you prefer? I have the BDP-51FD and BDP-320 and both used to be my players of choice for DVD playback. I've always been curious if one of the Oppos would be significantly better for DVD playback, but haven't made the jump yet.
S_G7,

I have an OPPO -95 and usually use it for Blu-ray as it is on my biggest screen with full 5.1 plus heights. On the few occasions that I run a DVD through it, I must say that by "just that much!" I think that the Pioneer BD-51 does better with the up-scale of a quality pressed DVD. The OPPO does fine, but the edge goes to the old Pioneer, IMO. I haven't a clue why. Blu-ray is opposite result by a similar margin. The OPPO is a fine machine, but then the BD-51 commanded an even higher price upon its debut @3 years earlier.

Pioneer is still doing the job in my family room. I never hesitate to feed it a well liked DVD for an evening's easy entertainment. Oh, I did the firmware mod to allow foreign movie play (DVD only) so that determines a lot of what it gets fed.

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Playing BD discs

I just find one clean nice Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD, before i go ahead and purchase the unit i started reading all these people having issue with playing some BD's and not playing others etc.
Do you think i will have same problem, everyone has this issue or some people luck?
What do you guys recommend me to do
Thanks
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Mine has went through three households and needs to find a dump somewhere. Very slow loading compared to my new Sony's, Samsung's, and XBOX ONE S.

I cannot believe this thread is still going.

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Mine has went through three households and needs to find a dump somewhere. Very slow loading compared to my new Sony's, Samsung's, and XBOX ONE S.

I cannot believe this thread is still going.
Other than slow loading, how about playing all BD's or DVD's . Do you have a problem with and which model you have 05 or 51.
I was just wondering if i get 05 will i have this not playing some BD's issue
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Other than slow loading, how about playing all BD's or DVD's . Do you have a problem with and which model you have 05 or 51.
I was just wondering if i get 05 will i have this not playing some BD's issue
51 and still plays BDs at an in-laws house. Can't tell you if they ever had a problem.

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My 51 is still working...kinda. It has started to freeze again during BD playback. I've almost bought an Oppo twice now and I guess this time I will unless there is something better. I don't pay much to attention to this stuff anymore until something breaks. I'm using a Pioneer FPJ1 which is the same as the Panny RS2 and cost $9k when new. I got mine for $2600 when they had the big group buy deal. My HT was finished in early 2005 so it has some years on it and I have not updated anything. Is the Darbee feature on the Oppo even worth the extra $100? I have really liked this Pioneer player but I think it must be time to let it go. That Oppo thread is so damn long and I'm just not fanatical about this stuff anymore to read it all. I want picture/sound quality and freakin reliability!

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Other than slow loading, how about playing all BD's or DVD's . Do you have a problem with and which model you have 05 or 51.
I was just wondering if i get 05 will i have this not playing some BD's issue
Yes, you most likely will have problems. Players require firmware updates to play some new releases. Being an old player, there haven't been any firmware updates for either the 05 or 51 in a long time. Plus, I found these players to have poor error correction (compared to newer players). And it is VERY slow loading. Why not get a newer model?
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I just find one clean nice Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD, before i go ahead and purchase the unit i started reading all these people having issue with playing some BD's and not playing others etc.
Do you think i will have same problem, everyone has this issue or some people luck?
What do you guys recommend me to do
Thanks
It was a very cool and sexy machine in it's day which was less than 12 months long, cut short by the introduction of the Oppo BDP-83 with better playback at a lower price.

Today, some work and some do not and some, like mine, are somewhere in the middle. That is, it works for most disc's but doesn't work with others. If they work, they are painfully slow on their best day and ridiculously slow on some of the more difficult titles. I put mine back in the box and bought two Oppo's years ago. I've never had a problem with the Oppo's.

To be honest, I would not even think about one today, even if they were giving it away. It's an 8 year old machine. The last firmware update was October 2013 which was also about the time Pioneer was falling apart financially. I really doubt we'll ever see another firmware update as Pioneer has sold off business units, reorganized, and the BDP-05/51 machines are just too old.

Repair parts, if you can find them, are very expensive. You can buy an Oppo BDP-103 for about the same or less money as what a replacement drive costs for a BDP- 05/51.

You can buy a new discounted Sony BDP-S3700 or a BDP-S6500 for $55-$75 which will arguably give you 95-100% of what the BDP-05/51 does plus it has WiFi streaming apps.

Another way to look at it is that if the BDP-05/51 were to be put on sale today, no one would give it the time of day and wonder what Pioneer was thinking about. There are good machines and old machines but very few good, old machines when it comes to digital electronics.

IMHO, any money invested on one of these older Pioneer machines is money better spent elsewhere.

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Yes, you most likely will have problems. Players require firmware updates to play some new releases. Being an old player, there haven't been any firmware updates for either the 05 or 51 in a long time. Plus, I found these players to have poor error correction (compared to newer players). And it is VERY slow loading. Why not get a newer model?
I'm thinking this unit just for BD movies, already waiting for oppo 203 for UHD movies. Most likely new oppo will play BD movies very nicely too but we all know you can do so much to the PQ on BD discs and that is already at the highest with these players BDP-05FD or Oppo 103-105. I know many people still keeping their old Oppo units for BD playback anyway.
I know UHD and HDR is amazing and there is no comparison also i know we have so many BD discs that we all have to come back and watch again until UHD discs and movies available almost in any title.
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Mine has went through three households and needs to find a dump somewhere. Very slow loading compared to my new Sony's, Samsung's, and XBOX ONE S.

I cannot believe this thread is still going.
I cannot believe that a thread for an un-released OPPO (Anticipation!!!) has reached almost 100 pages and not ONE confirmed technical detail beyond that it is going to play UHD. ! ! Says marketing.

This old Pio has its virtues. As long as it is still working. And the owner keeps it CLEAN.

btw: I own two OPPOs and think the world of them.

Peace.

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It was a very cool and sexy machine in it's day ...

Today, some work and some do not ...

IMHO, any money invested on one of these older Pioneer machines is money better spent elsewhere.
b curry,

I have paid attention to much of your postings for the last 6 years or so. I do place some value on your writings of your experiences regards our peculiar interests in AV gear. Take what I have to say as MY view, not as something AGAINST your view.

I am lucky enough to have NOT been an early purchaser of the Pio BD05/51 FD at full factory cost. That may well color my perceptions of the value of this particular piece of gear. I purchased two in a few months, sold one of them years later that covered most of the costs of the purchase of two. I currently own a @ $50 piece of gear in my family room theater. I like it. I don't own anything better at DVD up-scaling than this 8-year old Pioneer. Two/three years ago I paid $500 for an OPPO. This old PIO edges-out on DVD play, and just by a smidgeon doesn't meet the much newer OPPO's performance on Blu-ray. Audio, well I did have to buy a -95 to convince myself. Ha!

With the advent of UHD discs and the requisite dedicated players it is obvious that even the Blu-ray disc's days are numbered. That number is likely to extend into thousands of days, but ultimately (bad punnish) that is exactly the way that tech changes inside the market. As you very well know.

Those changes point to streaming and apps can be accomplished by many other complementary devices. Displays (which now may offer a resolution that was unheard-of on the consumer markets of a half-dozen years ago, why is no-one suggesting that we all SCRAP the extant DLPs that at one time occupied a significant slice of the market?) are comparatively cheap at phenomenal diagonal sizes which do everything but tie your shoes. A streaming Blu-player of very capable abilities in all but DVD up-scaling, is available at sub-$50 prices. Can it upscale DVDs and do analog audio outs ? Yes. Would I like the result? Probably not. So, I'll continue being relatively content w/ the OLD Pioneer BDP-51FD source for my display and casual analog audio.

If someone would like to try a well-cared-for Pio 05/51 on their home system for $50, I'd only caution them to verify operability before the purchase. Search this thread for "CLEANING", and then execute accordingly. After that, KEEP IT CLEAN.

And to all, keep on enjoying this oddly perverse AV interest.

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My 51 is still working...kinda. It has started to freeze again during BD playback. I've almost bought an Oppo twice now and I guess this time I will unless there is something better. I don't pay much to attention to this stuff anymore until something breaks. I'm using a Pioneer FPJ1 which is the same as the Panny RS2 and cost $9k when new. I got mine for $2600 when they had the big group buy deal. My HT was finished in early 2005 so it has some years on it and I have not updated anything. Is the Darbee feature on the Oppo even worth the extra $100? I have really liked this Pioneer player but I think it must be time to let it go. That Oppo thread is so damn long and I'm just not fanatical about this stuff anymore to read it all. I want picture/sound quality and freakin reliability!
Hiya,

Yeah, the OPPO threads trend long.

"future-proof" whatever that means, might lend to waiting for the OPPO 203 release. If you upgrade your display to SUHD, you'll be golden. OPPO customer service is so much NOT A JOKE. Have confidence if you can afford their asking price. 'nuff said.

Search this thread for Cleaning. Or, just go back @ 4 pages and follow some of the better photos and ideas posted. Clean Machine, Clean Media = Happy.

The authors of BD seem to have a lot of room regards "how to make a BD" basics. For the most part, with most production companies, Pio 05/51 works.

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I'm thinking this unit just for BD movies, already waiting for oppo 203 for UHD movies. Most likely new oppo will play BD movies very nicely too but we all know you can do so much to the PQ on BD discs and that is already at the highest with these players BDP-05FD or Oppo 103-105. I know many people still keeping their old Oppo units for BD playback anyway.
I know UHD and HDR is amazing and there is no comparison also i know we have so many BD discs that we all have to come back and watch again until UHD discs and movies available almost in any title.
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You'll not go too far wrong with an OPPO. Consensus for many years is that you can trust them, IF you can afford them. Provided that your primary concern is a RELIABLE UHD Player, my preference would be to scrounge-up the $ and fork it over for an OPPO (with that ounce of flesh closest to your heart ! ). If your current needs are less demanding, then:

Regards Pioneer BDP-05/51FD: The -05 Elite was optimized for analog video outs to the display. The -51FD shared everything but the DVA conversions with the -05, and when new was a couple of $$ cheaper. If you are HDMI video and ANY other audio, the -51 (aka non-elite) will do you fine. Make sure that the 05/51 has the latest firmware installed: 1.72 ? / 1.74 ? whichever is on PIO site.

I still think highly of my BDP-51FD in our family room. Zero problems with clean DVDs. Few problems with clean Blu-rays. I think VERY highly of this old technology's upscaling of DVD to 1080i/1080P 24FPS. None better in my financially constrained reality.

If using as CD spinner, I suggest that in most cases the analog audio direct outputs of the PIO will be superior to most mid and lower level AVRs. YMMV. With a Denon AVR-4520 (Original MSRP $2300 street @$1500) I concluded that the PIO conversion was a discernibly "yuuump!" level below. Again, YMMV.

If I had a friend who needed a video player (mixed DVD/Blu-ray) for under $100 this ancient Pioneer BDP-51fd would still be on my short-list to recommend. IF they had an app-capable TV/other device. If your viewing world is Blu-ray or nothing and all listening is done via non-circular means, I'd follow the sage advice of many others and spend $40+ at Costco for a Panasonic/Samsung/Other.

Opinions vary. Best to all.

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Hiya,

Yeah, the OPPO threads trend long.

"future-proof" whatever that means, might lend to waiting for the OPPO 203 release. If you upgrade your display to SUHD, you'll be golden. OPPO customer service is so much NOT A JOKE. Have confidence if you can afford their asking price. 'nuff said.

Search this thread for Cleaning. Or, just go back @ 4 pages and follow some of the better photos and ideas posted. Clean Machine, Clean Media = Happy.

The authors of BD seem to have a lot of room regards "how to make a BD" basics. For the most part, with most production companies, Pio 05/51 works.

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If I can find a blank CD in my house, I'm going to try updating the firmware. I don't think I have done that in maybe 2yrs...if there is even a newer version the last one I loaded. I need to try a cache dump too. But, I think I'm probably Oppo bound. I really have liked this player even if it is does load slowly.

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Salacak,
You'll not go too far wrong with an OPPO. Consensus for many years is that you can trust them, IF you can afford them. Provided that your primary concern is a RELIABLE UHD Player, my preference would be to scrounge-up the $ and fork it over for an OPPO (with that ounce of flesh closest to your heart ! ). If your current needs are less demanding, then:

Regards Pioneer BDP-05/51FD: The -05 Elite was optimized for analog video outs to the display. The -51FD shared everything but the DVA conversions with the -05, and when new was a couple of $$ cheaper. If you are HDMI video and ANY other audio, the -51 (aka non-elite) will do you fine. Make sure that the 05/51 has the latest firmware installed: 1.72 ? / 1.74 ? whichever is on PIO site.

I still think highly of my BDP-51FD in our family room. Zero problems with clean DVDs. Few problems with clean Blu-rays. I think VERY highly of this old technology's upscaling of DVD to 1080i/1080P 24FPS. None better in my financially constrained reality.

If using as CD spinner, I suggest that in most cases the analog audio direct outputs of the PIO will be superior to most mid and lower level AVRs. YMMV. With a Denon AVR-4520 (Original MSRP $2300 street @$1500) I concluded that the PIO conversion was a discernibly "yuuump!" level below. Again, YMMV.

If I had a friend who needed a video player (mixed DVD/Blu-ray) for under $100 this ancient Pioneer BDP-51fd would still be on my short-list to recommend. IF they had an app-capable TV/other device. If your viewing world is Blu-ray or nothing and all listening is done via non-circular means, I'd follow the sage advice of many others and spend $40+ at Costco for a Panasonic/Samsung/Other.

Opinions vary. Best to all.

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I had very good luck with all the Elite models including CD player, BD player 41FD and now I have a Elite SC-91 AVR which is the best receiver I ever had (I had many Denon etc.)
I bought a Panasonic 4K player with full price when it came out and sold it recently with almost full price I paid for, now I'm using Samsung K8500 (paid under one third of Panasonic 4K player) for UHD discs, for the price it's no brainer (PQ very close to Panny but still Panny is better and SQ goes for Panny). Hoping Oppo will leave up to the hype and that will be my main unit for UHD discs.
But like I said before, we all have many BD discs and movies we love and having good solid unit just for the BD discs is not a bad idea for me, it's hard to go back after seeing UHD with HDR to regular BD's but in a long time I think we have to. First of not many 4K movies out there worth noticing only handful and now they all coming out saying 4K but actually they are re-mastering BD's to 4K and they are not the same with pure 4K HDR movies. Like old days when DVD's re-mastered to 2K (you know the differences real BD filmed or re-mastered).
Elite BDP-05FD is on the way to me as we speak and I asked the seller about these issues on this forum about playing some discs and not playing others; he said it had never ever had any problem with playing any discs, including new or old BD's etc and also said 4-5 years unit firmware never been updated. Is this make sence?, I don't know but just in case I will read those how to open up and clean the unit laser heads if I will have any issues.
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