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post #3091 of 30742 Old 08-30-2008, 11:24 PM
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Yeah, what I'm actually learning is how easy it is to screwup the picture.

One question. In the Basic Video Setup Patterns, the first thing that comes up is the Pluge w/Log Gray Scale. Then the Reverse Gray Ramps with Steps. Must I use both patterns? Seems like the adjustments I make in one are immediately offset by the changes I make in the other.

The ISF settings I just posted work really well with Blu-ray movies, IMO. I'm getting really great contrast with the 51 and colors look real and well saturated. Normally when I go this high on the color adjustment, the colors start to glow and look cartoony.

Well first let me say you are better at using DVE and only your eye than I was from what you are saying. I don't use basic I use advanced and set to 1080P. However I know what you are talking about. I dont see why you have to use both unless you feel that both help you. And remeber one thing its your TV and your eyes and you are the one that must be pleased with what you see.
And as far as using Color and Tint in the picture tab I would say 6+ is the highest and Tint should be 0. Contrast should should be in a range from 25 to 33, bright should be from =1 to +2.

Update. I just looked at your settings and they seem ok. But two things why use 3DNR Low and DRE, Black Level ON. They can do strange things to your picture.
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What is the 09 ??? Is Pioneer coming out with another bluy ray player ?

Gotta love the recycled model numbers. Anyone remember the Pioneer Elite DV-09 DVD player? Man what a turd that was...And slow too! Of course I'm sure the 09FD will be a little better.
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II will try an SD DVD tomorrow to confirm for you that the 480i pass through on source direct is working fine through the 3806.

Thanks Aaron.
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Ok now you know in the reply to your question by somebody that has a Denon 3086 (I have a denon 3806 in my basement gathering dust).

Our audio/video setup has been calibrated by UMR so I'm going to stick to the same basic structure. Thanks for your input.
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I believe you need to set your Output resolution to Source Direct not Auto in order to get the settings as you described...thats how I have mine set and it switches from 1080p24 with Blurays to 480i with SD DVDs...I normally dont watch SD DVDs in my theater anymore but Im sure I will with this feature

Thanks for the help. I don't have the player yet so all the settings are floating around in my disorganized head.

I'm assuming that a Blu-ray recorded as video like "Planet Earth" would be output in 1080i@60fps using Source Direct in my setup.

With a 60" Kuro the better SD transfers have been looking pretty good. I'm not sure how they would look on a 100"+ screen.

Are you using a receiver or a preamp with 1.2a HDMI?
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Our audio/video setup has been calibrated by UMR so I'm going to stick to the same basic structure. Thanks for your input.

I can understand you wanting to use your ISF calibration Video/Audio because of your investment in what you paid urm. And for the most part urm calibration will probable work ok after you maximize your system. But you will not get the best out of your system not using high speed and a 1.2 HDMI A/V. That goes for video and probably audio. And why I say audio is because I think there is a fair chance that the Audio from the 51/05 will be a little off from your audio calibration. So why not just run your audio to your denon with analog cables and your video directly to your Kuro using a 1.3 cat 2 HDMI cable. And the total cost should be if you use monoprice maybe $35. And if anybody can think of a better and cheaper way to maximize your system for video I would sure like to know. But talk it over with the wife first.
btw even if you keep your chain the same as it is now your ISF settings for video and maybe audio will be off because of your new 51/05. And I think your isf guy posted that something like a new BD player will cause your setting to be off from what they were.
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I would like to thank sillysally for the link to imgburn. Had no problems creating the update disc. Down loaded fine to the 05.

Watched Pirates of the Caribbean II BD, truly an amazing picture. The sound quality also amazing. Watch a couple of old sd movies and the upgrade was fine.

Started watching Patton BD and the movie was crystal clear.

I had a lip sync problem with Ratatouille even with the new firmware installed. Press pause then play it cleared up. Then towards the end of the movie it happened again. I did not reset the player after the firmware was installed. I am going to try this then reset my parameters and play the disc again.

Once again thanks for all your help.

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anybody experience the ocassional, random, unrepeatable pumping effect when feeding the audio out using optical?

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Just got my 05 today from V.E.
I'm trying to update to software 1.02 and after I put the update disc in the 05, display says "Data Disc" and doesn't do anything else. What am I doing wrong? I've updated my previous 95FD so this is not the first time.

One thing I noticed is that the instructions from the PIO website says there should be 2 files. There is only the DLfile.pkg. It doesn't show the .DLdiscidentifier.txt file.

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Jose, Make sure that you Un-Zip the file, before burning the CD-R disc for your Player. Most of the time you see DATA in the window it was because they Burned the disc before Un-Zipping the file. Don't look for two files one is hidden. Just a suggestion.

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Oh yeah, UNZIP it...

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Oh yeah, UNZIP it...

it unzips to 2 files:
  1. BDP_0551FD_Ver102 (iso file)
  2. .DLdiscidentifier (txt file)
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anybody experience the ocassional, random, unrepeatable pumping effect when feeding the audio out using optical?

No, and mine has been connected that way for 1 month.
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I am here to tell you that Robert is not going out on a limb if he did not feel strongly about what he is saying.
I just hope you don't have a HD collection like I do. I have now replaced 8 of my HD with BDs, and I only have Pioneer to blame for that because of my BDP-51.

Nope, Robert doesn't hold back, that is why I like him

I haven't had to yet but since I have 165 HD DVDs am sure it will. I blame the 51 for making me purchae 52 BDs in one month ok, ok it is my 1st BD player after all
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Has anyone tried 05 or 51 through analog outs video and audio?

What has your experience been?

Do they also upconvert SD DVDs on component video out?

Thank you.
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btw even if you keep your chain the same as it is now your ISF settings for video and maybe audio will be off because of your new 51/05. And I think your isf guy posted that something like a new BD player will cause your setting to be off from what they were.

A new BD player would not alter the calibration if the BD player is properly setup.
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Just got my 05 last week. This may be a stupid question, but how do I tell if I have 1.00 or 1.02 firmware? If I need 1.02, how do I get it?

The link to the firmware update and its instructions has been posted multiple times in this thread. Here it is again:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU....Support?tab=B

The installation instructions also tell you how to see the firmware revision - this is not something you'd trip over ordinarily!

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A. Check the current firmware version of the player:
You can also use the remote control.
1. Press the "STANDBY/ON" button to switch the unit on.
2. If the player starts to play a disc, press the "STOP" button and wait until the Pioneer logo is displayed on your TV.
3. Press the "Home Menu" button.
4. Select "Initial Setup" then press "Enter."
5. Select "Video Out" then press "Enter".
6. Select "TV Aspect Ratio" then press "Enter".
7. Press the "Blue" button on the remote control.
8. The firmware version of your player will be displayed in the bottom right portion of the TV screen.

I'll disagree with the "bottom right" text - it showed to me just below the values for aspect ratio.

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Mark me down as another satisfied owner of the BDP-51, particularly after the 1.02 upgrade. The Panasonic is headed to eBay and I always have the
PS3 for profile 2.0 content.

I don't think enough has been emphasized in this (voluminous) thread of the audio improvement evident with the Pioneer. I A/B compared the Panny, PS3 and 51 as fairly as possible with a few concert BDs, Tony Bennett, David Gilmour, Celine Dion and the John Legend disc. I felt the the 51 conistently offered a better soundstage, clarity and fullness that wasn't present in the other players. Definitely not a placebo effect...IMO.
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A new BD player would not alter the calibration if the BD player is properly setup.

I know you are an experience calibrator but on my 150 the grey scale and color controls are alot different than when I had my 95fd.

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I know you are an experience calibrator but on my 150 the grey scale and color controls are alot different than when I had my 95fd.

What does that matter? A BD player is not going to change the calibration unless it is doing something wrong.
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Add Beowulf to the list of problem discs for firmware 1.02. It cannot be played without intermittent freezing. I had to watch it with my PS3, good thing it's still hooked in my system.
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Nope, Robert doesn't hold back, that is why I like him

I haven't had to yet but since I have 165 HD DVDs am sure it will. I blame the 51 for making me purchae 52 BDs in one month ok, ok it is my 1st BD player after all

What HD-DVD player do you guys have?

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For people who received 51FD units from Value Electronics, are they v1.0 or v1.02?

Now you're just rubbing salt in the wound...

VE hasn't shipped any 51's yet (that I'm aware of). Hopefully this coming week.


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I know you are an experience calibrator but on my 150 the grey scale and color controls are alot different than when I had my 95fd.

Many people also say that all cd players, amps, etc sound exactly the same. Now here it comes for blu-ray players as well. In a perfect world maybe all electronics should perform equally, but all electronics are not perfect so back to reality. Why don't we let people find out for themselves what looks and sounds better to their eyes and ears. By the way, Do all dvd players perform the same?

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Does this player output the lossless stuff via the component or just through HDMI? If not is there a 1.3 compliant HDMI splitter out there where I can run the HDMI to the splitter and have one go right to my kuro and the other to my receiver which I dont think handles the deep color (Yammy RX-V3800)?
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Add Beowulf to the list of problem discs for firmware 1.02. It cannot be played without intermittent freezing. I had to watch it with my PS3, good thing it's still hooked in my system.


I just opened my copy of Beowulf and loaded it into my 51FD, so far I'm about 7 minutes into it and no freezing yet...
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I just burn a copy of the firmware up-date,Im computer challenged! When I got done & played it on my computer it shows up as a iso file,did I screw up? Is it suppose to be audio like the Integra 9.8 upgrade? thanks ps I did unzip it.
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with the inserting of The Deer Hunter into my Pioneer tonight for the first time since I got my plasma in May, I realized something - not all DVD's are anamorphic.

this is a sad state of affairs. possibly up to 30% of my DVD's are going to be unwatchable on my new setup. I almost never watch movies on my bedroom tv, so they're pretty much worthless at this point. looks like my collection is going to be weeded out. bummer.

edit: looks like I overreacted. only 15 or so of my discs are affected. still sucks, but not as bad.

(edited 480i approach)

I think you have a couple of options for non-anamorphic letterbox DVDs on the 5080. One is to set the 51's "4:3 video out" setting to full, have the 51 ouput 480i and use the 5080 in zoom mode.

The other that seems to work is to have "4:3 video out" set to full, have the 51 upconvert to 1080 and use the 5080 in zoom. ( I think the zoom mode on the 5080 only does a vertical strecth when getting an HD format.)
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I just burn a copy of the firmware up-date,Im computer challenged! When I got done & played it on my computer it shows up as a iso file,did I screw up? Is it suppose to be audio like the Integra 9.8 upgrade? thanks ps I did unzip it.

Once you have te iso. use this program to burn it to disk.
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I just burn a copy of the firmware up-date,Im computer challenged! When I got done & played it on my computer it shows up as a iso file,did I screw up? Is it suppose to be audio like the Integra 9.8 upgrade? thanks ps I did unzip it.


I'm not sure what you burned on your CD...but you need to use your CD/DVD burning software and create an "image". Then select the .iso file "BDP_0551FD_Ver102.iso". Don't create a "data" CD. Hope this helps.
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What does that matter? A BD player is not going to change the calibration unless it is doing something wrong.

Can you explain? The ISF settings I have play well for BD, but not for DVD or Cable TV. I must reset the colors, brightness, sharpness controls, etc, for different sources.
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