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I always set my BDP to Bitstream (Audiophile) to the Onkyo, I have the 705 and the 2550 connected to a Samsung 50" Plasma, and let the receiver decode. I am however using all HDMI now. When I had my Bose Lifetstyle 35, I had optical from the BDP to the Bose and component to the TV, allowing the BDP to decode. I'm not familiar with your HTR530. When I did have my Bose and listened via PCM, it always seemed a bit low in volume. I always listened in Bitstream mode.

By the way, can you go into the receiver menu and test tone your speakers there? If so, what does it say about your surrounds?


Thanks for the reply

I switched to bitstream as you mentioned and it seems to be working well now. The display on my reciever says 3.2.1 so I don't think I'm getting true 7.1 but it is much better than before.
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I have read through all 21 pages of the forum, but I might have missed this...

Is the 2550 as good as the Oppo 980 for DVD playback/upconversion?
I think the Netflix/Pandora features would be nice, but I'd like to be able to replace my Oppo in my family room, not just add to it.

Thanks.

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Though I don't have the Oppo 980 to compare my Samsung BD-P2550 to but I do know that the Oppo uses the MediaTek chip (albeit a special one) for their 980 where as the Samsung 2500 / 2550 use the Reon HQV. From what I've read there is no comparison with the Reon chips being vastley superior. I've purchased a lot of DVD players (1 blu-ray besides this one) and this by far is the best one I've owned.
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Has anyone by chance opened up both a 2500 and a 2550 to see what might be different in the two? As the 2500 came out a few months AFTER the 2550, and the FW update for the 2550 (to allow Pandora) seems to be able to know the difference (I am asuming this), I do wonder if there might be a case for keeping one over the other.
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Has anyone by chance opened up both a 2500 and a 2550 to see what might be different in the two? As the 2500 came out a few months AFTER the 2550, and the FW update for the 2550 (to allow Pandora) seems to be able to know the difference (I am asuming this), I do wonder if there might be a case for keeping one over the other.

From what I understand the 2550 was specific to Best Buy stores. No difference between the two and both very good players. Someone else may want to confirm or dispel this. What part of Texas you from? I live in New Braunfels just north of San Antonio.
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From what I understand the 2550 was specific to Best Buy stores. No difference between the two and both very good players. Someone else may want to confirm or dispel this. What part of Texas you from? I live in New Braunfels just north of San Antonio.

If there is no difference between the players then their should be some way to allow the BD-P2500 to stream the Pandora service.
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If there is no difference between the players then their should be some way to allow the BD-P2500 to stream the Pandora service.

That may very well be the only difference, besides retailer exclusivity.
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DTS-HD Master Audio decoding coming soon to a player near you.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10080379-1.html
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DTS-HD Master Audio decoding coming soon to a player near you.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10080379-1.html

Alas, finally the perfect player arrives...
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DTS-HD Master Audio decoding coming soon to a player near you.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10080379-1.html

Hmmm, quite interesting that they mention the 2550 ONLY in this comment:

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That's pretty good news, and the BD-P2550 is stacking up to be quite a player, with Profile 2.0 support, HQV video processing, Netflix streaming, and now internal decoding for both high-resolution audio soundtrack formats. And, we noticed it's now selling for $350 at Best Buy.

So as per my original question, could there be a difference? Or was the reviewer just lazy and didn't type both models?
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DTS-HD Master Audio decoding coming soon to a player near you.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10080379-1.html

Ummm... these posts say the Broadcomm chip in these payers cannot do DTS-HD MA:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post14803616
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14960585
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Ummm... these posts say the Broadcomm chip in these payers cannot do DTS-HD MA:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post14803616
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14960585

But also remember - everything WE post here on AVS is nothing but SPECULATION. Perhaps there might BE something inisde the Samsungs that will allow it, but they had a lot of hard work to get it working? I sure don't know, but I would imagine that Samsung and their engineers would more than any of us.
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Well here's the definitive word directly from the Samsung Techies on DTS-HD Master Audio support. May not be news for some but it was to me since we got conflicting information earlier.

The BD-P1500, BD-P2500, and BD-P2550 will support on-board DTS-HD High Resolution decoding through a firmware update on 10/30.

The BD-P1500, BD-P2500, and BD-P2550 do not and will not support on-board DTS-HD Master Audio decoding.

Bitstream is the only way the 2500/2550 (and the 1500) will support DTS-HD Master Audio. If you use the analog outputs, you're getting the core DTS lossy surround track decoded by the player.

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And now more conflicting information. Who is correct on this?
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Hmmm, quite interesting that they mention the 2550 ONLY in this comment:



So as per my original question, could there be a difference? Or was the reviewer just lazy and didn't type both models?

That's likely because the 2550 is the only one that supports all of hte features he mentioned like NetFlix and Pandora.

However in the previous paragraph he said:

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We got a note from Samsung this afternoon explaining that the firmware update adding DTS-HD High Resolution decoding to the Samsung BD-P1500, BD-P2500, and BD-P2550 has been delayed until the end of the year. That means owners will have to live with standard DTS soundtracks for a little bit longer if they don't own an HDMI-compatible receiver with onboard decoding for DTS-HD Master Audio.

Which indicates that if you want Master Audio, you'll only have to wait until the end of the year for all 3 models.

Although I'll admit I bet this is a mistake. I doubt we'll see MA on these.

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To all those that are not using HDMI receivers, you need to upgrade and be done with it. How much do you spend on cigarettes, booze, partying... sex toys (had to say it)? Dig into some of that and save some money to get a receiver that supports HDMI and let the receiver decode, then you don't have to worry about these reports anymore. Just suck it up, buck it up and go for it. You won't be disappointed.
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I have a Denon 3808 AVR. I have been following this thread as well as the Panny BD55 threads. If I have an AVR that has all the codec decoding and HDMI inputs, does it matter which on of these BD players I buy (the Netflix streaming is not important to me)? Would I be just as well off with a less expensive player that will provide PQ as good as either one of these (assuming such a player exists; is there?). Both the 2550/2500 and the BD55 cost about the same. Any advice would be appreciated.
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I have a Denon 3808 AVR. I have been following this thread as well as the Panny BD55 threads. If I have an AVR that has all the codec decoding and HDMI inputs, does it matter which on of these BD players I buy (the Netflix streaming is not important to me)? Would I be just as well off with a less expensive player that will provide PQ as good as either one of these (assuming such a player exists; is there?). Both the 2550/2500 and the BD55 cost about the same. Any advice would be appreciated.

The 25** Samsungs have the HQV processor which is very good and may be the best in this price range at upscaling and processing Standard def DVD. I've read that the new Panasonics have excellent upscaling and processing, too. If you don't care about DVD and only want it for Blu Ray you could save the money and get a Panasonic BD-35 which will pass the bitsteam via HDMI to your 3808. The 55 would be a waste of money for you. The Samsung 1500 and the older generation of Panasonics which are still around are fair at DVD, so I'd stick with the 35 if you don't want the HQV. My two cents.

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Newbie here -- what is the HQV benchmark? where do I find it? How do I run it? Seems to me that on my 2550 the upscaling is not so great. (I am comparing it to my previous Samsung DVD player, which had Faroudja circuitry and did a pretty nice job.) So I am checking out how to tweak my settings. Thanks!
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Newbie here -- what is the HQV benchmark? where do I find it? How do I run it? Seems to me that on my 2550 the upscaling is not so great. (I am comparing it to my previous Samsung DVD player, which had Faroudja circuitry and did a pretty nice job.) So I am checking out how to tweak my settings. Thanks!

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Newbie here -- what is the HQV benchmark? where do I find it? How do I run it? Seems to me that on my 2550 the upscaling is not so great. (I am comparing it to my previous Samsung DVD player, which had Faroudja circuitry and did a pretty nice job.) So I am checking out how to tweak my settings. Thanks!

Which Samsung player did you have prior to the 2550? I've had the 1200 all the way to the 2550, which I have now, and can tell you the only two Samsung players that upscaled nicely were the 1200 and the 2550 because of the HQV Reon chip. The 1400 and 1500 were noticeably blander and dull compared to the 1200 and 2550. The Reon chip is a marked improvement over the other players, however, not every SD will upscale the same in PQ.

There are some SDs that upscale so well they look almost comparable to BDs, and then there are some SDs that look poor. Overall, every SD upscaled via the Reon HQV chip was a marked improvement over a non-Reon chip player. I think the 2550 does a great job upscaling SDs, it's just some SDs are poorly filmed and don't upscale well.

When assessing whether the chip is processing the picture well and looking at how a film is made, we have to take into consideration every variable that impacts performance overall. In the big picture (pun intended) the 2550 performs well.
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How do i know if my tv or my 2550 is doing the upconverting? I have it connected to a 1080p plasma via hdmi with the 2550 resolution set to 1080p. Does this mean the 480 SD source is being upconverted to 1080 ( or whatever I set the player to) by the 2550 first then shot over to the tv? And in order for the tv to do the conversion I would have to set the 2550 to 480 and then that signal is shot to the tv and converted to 1080?
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Samsung thinks that owners aren't confused enough so now they have this to say.....
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/10/31...rs-is-delayed/

FYI, guys, as one of the disseminators of possible misinformation, I wanted to chime in here.

We got the same note from Samsung's PR firm on 10/31 that, not only was the DTS-HD High Resolution decoding firmware upgrade going to be late, BUT that they were going to add DTS-HD Master Audio decoding as well. Eight days earlier the very same PR rep told us that (and I quote), "The BD-P1500, BD-P2500, and BD-P2550 do not and will not support on-board DTS-HD-MA decoding." And a couple of weeks before that he told me "the DTS-HD MA upgrade will be coming this fall."

So I decided that posting this bit of "news" (about DTS-HD MA decoding) would be a bit irresponsible until I could get confirmation directly from one of the senior Samsung guys. I'm still awaiting that confirmation.

It would be nice if they could add DTS-HD MA decoding to the players, but at this point, I'll believe it when I see it (or at least hear it from a more reliable source).

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Just a heads up to everyone - I put an audio DVD into my 2250 and it seemed to be supported i.e. brought up menus, played music, etc. I have not done extensive testing but so far so good. I did not notice support in the user manual for DVD audio so this was a pleasant surprise.

Just about all DVD-Audio discs will play in any DVD player. It's part of the spec and they generally have standard Dolby Digital or DTS audio tracks for precisely this reason.

But support for the advanced MLP (Meridian Lossless Packet) DVD audio track (the lossless high quality audio track that makes DVD-Audio different from regular DVD) is something that requires hardware support in the player itself. I know Oppo DVD players have this support as did some of the early Panasonic BD players, but I don't think the Samsung BD players support the DVD-Audio format itself. If they do, I can't find any reference to it in the doc.

Yes, you can play DVD-Audio discs on the player, but you're not going to get the high quality audio track.

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I've had the 1200 all the way to the 2550, which I have now, and can tell you the only two Samsung players that upscaled nicely were the 1200 and the 2550 because of the HQV Renon chip.

Don't forget BD-UP5000 has Reon chip as well (so is BD-P2500) and basically the same BroadCom chip used in 1500/2500/2550.


boylan13,

Do you know if Samsung ever intends to release a firmware update to BD-UP5000 as well?
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Don't forget BD-UP5000 has Reon chip as well (so is BD-P2500) and basically the same BroadCom chip used in 1500/2500/2550.

boylan13,

Do you know if Samsung ever intends to release a firmware update to BD-UP5000 as well?

Sorry, I do not know.

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Boylan13,

I've seen/read your posts on the panny 35/55 thread and I was wondering if you also have the samsung 2550 and what are your thoughts on the blu-ray PQ between the two players.

To me, blu-ray PQ should be the most important feature, and the 35/55 is getting rave reviews, but the features of the samsung are hard to beat.
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How's the this player with netflix. I'm leaning towards purchasing this Blu-Ray player for my theater room simply because of the netflix support. I'm also considering the PS3 but you'd have to jump through some hoops to get netflix to work.

Check out an app called PlayOn from MediaMall for the PS3. It allows you to access your Netflix account via a upnp server run from a PC. Not so many hoops but the application is still a beta which was not the most stable.

What? It's not free! Forget about it!
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Boylan13,

I've seen/read your posts on the panny 35/55 thread and I was wondering if you also have the samsung 2550 and what are your thoughts on the blu-ray PQ between the two players.

To me, blu-ray PQ should be the most important feature, and the 35/55 is getting rave reviews, but the features of the samsung are hard to beat.

Not yet. The BD35/BD55 would be pretty hard to beat on the BD side but I expect the SD upconversion on the 25x0 should be pretty nice given the Reon HQV processor.

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So I decided that posting this bit of "news" (about DTS-HD MA decoding) would be a bit irresponsible until I could get confirmation directly from one of the senior Samsung guys. I'm still awaiting that confirmation.

It would be nice if they could add DTS-HD MA decoding to the players, but at this point, I'll believe it when I see it (or at least hear it from a more reliable source).

OK, one of the senior tech guys at Samsung is confirming their plans to add DTS-HD MA decoding via firmware. This guy is in the US (but works for Samsung) and he CCed one of the engineers in Korea so this is looking pretty good.

I've asked for some details for confirmation. I'm also checking in with some contacts at DTS to see whether they can confirm the Samsung hardware's ability to decode DTS-HD MA.

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OK, one of the senior tech guys at Samsung is confirming their plans to add DTS-HD MA decoding via firmware. This guy is in the US (but works for Samsung) and he CCed one of the engineers in Korea so this is looking pretty good.

I've asked for some details for confirmation. I'm also checking in with some contacts at DTS to see whether they can confirm the Samsung hardware's ability to decode DTS-HD MA.

-CB

Excellent and exciting news!
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Does this unit have some sort of undocumented "sleep" function? I like to leave my DVD player and DirecTV DVR on 24/7 so the startup is quicker. I'm using a Harmony 680 and I tell it not to power off the device when changing functions or shutting down. Indeed, when I hit off, my receiver and TV turn off and the 2550 seems to remain on. But when I check it 15-20 minutes later, the power button has turned red and it has shut down. I don't see anything in the manual about this.
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